ID Sword markings

[bayonet]

I know this sword dates just before the ACW but a site I once used to get help IDing sword matters seems to have gone belly up. It dates around 1750 possibly English or French and is close to what they called a 1742 pattern. It has a half guard. Markings are an arrow and a square with lines crossing in it. Any help here fellow sword collectors?

 

[Seduzal]

Just wait for a little while and someone will be along to answer your questions.

 

[R. Porter]

I happen to be away from my references at the moment. They are not something I remember seeing right off hand. More pictures would be welcome. The style you suggest was used in one form or another from before 1742 to perhaps the 1840's and shows up in many different European countries.

 

[Glen_C]

Could you please show an overall picture of the sword?

 

[Glen_C]

I'll take a WAG at Danish 19th century

 

[bayonet]

I'll take a WAG at Danish 19th century

and why do you think Danish?

 

[bayonet]

I'll take a WAG at Danish 19th century

 

[Glen_C]

and why do you think Danish?

From what I can see of the grip, it does not look English. It was somewhat a joke. As in not a serious reply. I forgot to check Bezdek's German book. It is not an English broad arrow Is there some problem with showing the whole sword? As not an ACW sword, there are probably few that can judge a random mark from a thumbnail. I had good luck with that elsewhere yesterday but I knew the mark and someone here might have as well. I know you think it an English 1742 type. I don't know. I showed a half hilt French from the 1750 period in a recent thread here. That had a straight blade, as would other half hilt French swords of the period. The thumbprint you share looks more northern Germany around 1800 (11-13?). Then again, I reserve the right to change my thoughts if we can see the sword. The English hangers were not half hilts. Some of the German states, the lowlands on the channel. It probably is not Danish but then again, I did not stay at the Holiday Inn last night

Cheers
GC

An edit, nothing in Bezdek except one of the Clauberg familial marks predating the standing knight is variations of a feathered arrow. Not for the other mark, which kind of reminds me of lattice work we see broadly etched on the ricasso of 18th century swords Solingen swords.

 

[bayonet]

I'll take a WAG at Danish 19th century

and why do you think Danish?

From what I can see of the grip, it does not look English. It was somewhat a joke. As in not a serious reply. I forgot to check Bezdek's German book. It is not an English broad arrow Is there some problem with showing the whole sword? As not an ACW sword, there are probably few that can judge a random mark from a thumbnail. I had good luck with that elsewhere yesterday but I knew the mark and someone here might have as well. I know you think it an English 1742 type. I don't know. I showed a half hilt French from the 1750 period in a recent thread here. That had a straight blade, as would other half hilt French swords of the period. The thumbprint you share looks more northern Germany around 1800 (11-13?). Then again, I reserve the right to change my thoughts if we can see the sword. The English hangers were not half hilts. Some of the German states, the lowlands on the channel. It probably is not Danish but then again, I did not stay at the Holiday Inn last night

Cheers
GC

An edit, nothing in Bezdek except one of the Clauberg familial marks predating the standing knight is variations of a feathered arrow. Not for the other mark, which kind of reminds me of lattice work we see broadly etched on the ricasso of 18th century swords Solingen swords.View attachment 508503View attachment 508505

I'll get some pics ready. There was an error yesterday why a repeat on my question. Yes I have a French half guard straight blade of the era too. This one has a 29" blade but the blade is thick at almost 1 1/2" thick with no fuller. Sadly half the grip wire is missing but I have the same type wire so I may restore it.

 

[bayonet]

I'll take a WAG at Danish 19th century

and why do you think Danish?

From what I can see of the grip, it does not look English. It was somewhat a joke. As in not a serious reply. I forgot to check Bezdek's German book. It is not an English broad arrow Is there some problem with showing the whole sword? As not an ACW sword, there are probably few that can judge a random mark from a thumbnail. I had good luck with that elsewhere yesterday but I knew the mark and someone here might have as well. I know you think it an English 1742 type. I don't know. I showed a half hilt French from the 1750 period in a recent thread here. That had a straight blade, as would other half hilt French swords of the period. The thumbprint you share looks more northern Germany around 1800 (11-13?). Then again, I reserve the right to change my thoughts if we can see the sword. The English hangers were not half hilts. Some of the German states, the lowlands on the channel. It probably is not Danish but then again, I did not stay at the Holiday Inn last night

Cheers
GC

An edit, nothing in Bezdek except one of the Clauberg familial marks predating the standing knight is variations of a feathered arrow. Not for the other mark, which kind of reminds me of lattice work we see broadly etched on the ricasso of 18th century swords Solingen swords.View attachment 508503View attachment 508505

I'll get some pics ready. There was an error yesterday why a repeat on my question. Yes I have a French half guard straight blade of the era too. This one has a 29" blade but the blade is thick at almost 1 1/2" thick with no fuller. Sadly half the grip wire is missing but I have the same type wire so I may restore it.