Help With a CS Plate

[brdmbru]

Is plate or buckle the correct term for this item? I bought this on a local estate auction site. The owner had several different Plates or Buckles and thought there may be a chance they were real. After some more research I am not so sure. Anyone have an opinion on this?

 

[Salterr]

@brdmbru This would unfortunately not be authentic. Many confederate plates of this style aren't lead filled and have different shaped hooks. True confederate plates similar to this will be over $3,000. It might be possible to get your money back

 

[Salterr]

Also to add stay away from a whole bunch of eBay sellers, especially Generallee and secondhandcollectibles. All fakes, buckles and insignia, uniforms and hats are all garbage

 

[bayonet]

Is plate or buckle the correct term for this item? I bought this on a local estate auction site. The owner had several different Plates or Buckles and thought there may be a chance they were real. After some more research I am not so sure. Anyone have an opinion on this?

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and what did you pay for it?

 

[Salterr]

and what did you pay for it?

I'm really hoping he says under $100. That auction house should have some sort of professional, no?

 

[RaggedAssSecond]

@brdmbru says he bought it from a local estate auction which means buyer be where. One must study that which they collect so as not to get burned. This is especially true when it comes to Confederate plates which have been heavily faked. Hopefully @brdmbru didn't pay to much for it.

 

[brdmbru]

Here is the other one I bought with it, probably a fake as well. I paid around $300 for both together. They will work for what I wanted them for but I plan on contacting the seller as they presented them as Civil War era items which seems a bit misleading to me. I knew what I was getting into. I will let you know what they do say.

 

[NH Civil War Gal]

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[Salterr]

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the cartridge box plate appears to be good

 

[Salterr]

Here is the other one I bought with it, probably a fake as well. I paid around $300 for both together. They will work for what I wanted them for but I plan on contacting the seller as they presented them as Civil War era items which seems a bit misleading to me. I knew what I was getting into. I will let you know what they do say.

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This looks a lot better. Appears to be the correct iron loop and even fill of lead. Lead shouldn't exceed the lip of the plate. If you paid 300 for both together it's not so bad. Cartridge box plates go for 250 range at times in a retail setting

 

[Joe Whitworth]

The CS plate will display nicely if that was your intent. Nicely aged but the small amount of soil clinging to the plate to give the impression of being dug stands against the fake aged patina of the brass that gives the impression it has been exposed to the atmosphere and handled for decades. The arrow head plate hooks are another give away, they were rarely used in the South. Had the South used those sturdy arrowhead hooks more a lot of folks wouldn't have their dug Southern plates missing their hooks. JMHO

 

[NH Civil War Gal]

If you have the time, go back through the Relics Forum and read our threads. We name at least some names and methods of falsifying and we certainly post pictures and take apart fake relics and try to show where/how they are fake. We only name the sellers we know are absolutely selling false stuff and you will see why if you read our threads.

There is one seller on eBay that lists each "relic" as "his father's most prized possession" and "he bought it from a museum for X thousands of dollars but I'm offering it to YOU for a few hundred/thousands because I need the money, etc."

This museum has been contacted, btw, and knows nothing of the seller.

You can learn a lot from our relic threads. Some of the foremost CW collectors in America are on here.

 

[bayonet]

This looks a lot better. Appears to be the correct iron loop and even fill of lead. Lead shouldn't exceed the lip of the plate. If you paid 300 for both together it's not so bad. Cartridge box plates go for 250 range at times in a retail setting

$250 not in that condition I'd say. Best for him to go back and request his money back. He can do better elsewhere.

 

[brdmbru]

Thanks for all your help. I have already started contact with the estate sellers. I will definitely go through the relic threads for sure.

 

[brdmbru]

They are asking me to provide documentation that the CS plate is not authentic. Can anyone help me with this or have a suggestion on where I could acquire such documentation?

 

[Salterr]

They are asking me to provide documentation that the CS plate is not authentic. Can anyone help me with this or have a suggestion on where I could acquire such documentation?

I will send you photos of real ones with the correct non filled soldered scrap hooks. The construction and price are huge indicators. These pictures took two seconds just image if they did the same when they sell pieces, they wouldn't have problems.

 

[Salterr]

@brdmbru If they want official in writing documentation other than what is visibly different I suggest horsesoldier.com or uniondb.com, not only are they both in Gettysburg but have been in business over 40 years. They are quite possibly the largest dealers in the country. Will Gorges from battleground antiques also would be an ideal option, has been dealing relics since the early 80's

 

[brdmbru]

@brdmbru If they want official in writing documentation other than what is visibly different I suggest horsesoldier.com or uniondb.com, not only are they both in Gettysburg but have been in business over 40 years. They are quite possibly the largest dealers in the country. Will Gorges from battleground antiques also would be an ideal option, has been dealing relics since the early 80's

Thank you so very much!

 

[Salterr]

Thank you so very much!

Happy to help! If you call horsesoldier ask for Wes or Sam. Uniondb ask for Brendan

 

[bayonet]

They are asking me to provide documentation that the CS plate is not authentic. Can anyone help me with this or have a suggestion on where I could acquire such documentation?

sounds like their playing games with you the Shysters