Headstone Applications

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I didn't want to start a new thread just for this but I couldn't find a suitable existing thread. Previously, a basic Ancestry membership provided access to a database of Headstone Applications submitted from 1925 - 1970. That database has been expanded to Headstone Applications submitted from 1861 - 1985. To say that I am thrilled about that is an understatement.
 
I didn't want to start a new thread just for this but I couldn't find a suitable existing thread. Previously, a basic Ancestry membership provided access to a database of Headstone Applications submitted from 1925 - 1970. That database has been expanded to Headstone Applications submitted from 1861 - 1985. To say that I am thrilled about that is an understatement.
OMG!!! I just checked the database and it shows the applications I've been looking for for three family members!!!! They show what I've suspected - it was not a family member who made application. The church applied for the stones in 1977. Wow! This finally explains things in a long story about why the headstone are there. Thankkkkkk youuuuuu!

@DixieRifles Go to main Ancestry page, click Search, Card Catalog. On the Card Catalog page, you'll see Search by Title or Keywords. In the Keywords box, type Headstone Applications.
 
Ancestry doesn't send out emails with collection updates the way Family Search does. They have a blog and they may post info there. But I don't read it so I don't know.
 
I'm pretty sure you can view them for free on Family Search, for those who don't have a subscription to Ancestry.
Sadly, the Family Search files are incomplete. I just did a search for a family surname and it did not return the results that are now available at Ancestry. Family Search shows their files are from NARA, RG 92, M1916. They index it twice, first as 1925-1941 and again as 1925-1949. My search results were identical for both and the URL is the same for both files, so I don't know what's going on with that. I was hoping Family Search had updated their files, but no joy.
Ancestry has added additional files from RG 92, NAID: 596118, compiled 01/01/1925 - 06/30/1970, documenting the period ca. 1776 - 1970. This is what they note in their source.
 
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You seem quite giddy about it!!
Absolutely. The name and address of the person submitting the Application can be valuable in genealogy research. Also, the handwritten notes on the Application by the person in the Dept. Of Defense processing the Application are helpful. Sometimes, I end up working backwards in searches of service records starting with a Headstone Application. As you no doubt know, quite often a soldier's name on muster and pension records is not the same as their given name. That is usually noted by the processor on Headstone Applications. I can't tell you how many times I've drawn a blank in fold3 and NPS but then found a Pension or Headstone Application with information pointing in the right direction for other service records.
 
@DixieRifles Go to main Ancestry page, click Search, Card Catalog. On the Card Catalog page, you'll see Search by Title or Keywords. In the Keywords box, type Headstone Applications.
Gee thanks. I never use the Card Catalog.
I ran a few searches and found this one.

My Great-Uncle died of disease at Camp Beauregard, KY (just north of Union City, TN) in December of 1861---yes, I said "61". The SCV made some improvements of the Monument erected by the UDC in the 1920's and ordered headstones for soldiers they had documentation that showed they died during this disease outbreak. However, the family has a grave for him back at his hometown (civilian headstone) and we believe he is truly buried there and not at the site of this camp.

Application is dated 1933. This date confirms the story that the SCV installed these when they upgraded the monument in the cemetery.
Headstone Application--Robert E Cole.JPG
 
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Gee thanks. I never use the Card Catalog.
I ran a few searches and found this one.

My Great-Uncle died of disease at Camp Beauregard, KY (just north of Union City, TN) in December of 1861---yes, I said "61". The SCV made some improvements of the Monument erected by the UDC in the 1920's and ordered headstones for soldiers they had documentation that showed they died during this disease outbreak. However, the family has a grave for him back at his hometown (civilian headstone) and we believe he is truly buried there and not at the site of this camp.

Application is dated 1933. This date confirms the story that the SCV installed these when they upgraded the monument in the cemetery.
I notice the applicant is Mrs. Geo. T. Fuller. Is this Lizzie Fuller? If so, this application would have been by the UDC. Perhaps the name is just a coincidence.
 
Absolutely. The name and address of the person submitting the Application can be valuable in genealogy research. Also, the handwritten notes on the Application by the person in the Dept. Of Defense processing the Application are helpful.
In my case, it was this information that solved the mystery of why the wrong regiment was inscribed on some headstones.
The applicant, Mr. Tumlin, was a deacon of the church and clerk and caretaker of the church cemetery. In the late 1970's, he began submitting applications for headstones and I have found, so far, applications he submitted over the nest 5 years. It is obvious that he researched the records at the GA Archives for the men from the church who served in "Joe Brown's Army."

Tumlin correctly identified the service of each man, for example - PVT, Co. C, 2nd (Storey's) Regt Inf, GA State Line.
HOWEVER, in the bottom left corner of the application in the area reserved for "Veterans Administration" notations, the regiment information from Mr. Tumlin was changed to read: PVT, Co. C, 2nd Regt GA Inf. and this is what was inscribed on each headstone.
It is obvious that the people finalizing the applications did not know the difference in the two regiments.

It is interesting that Mr. Tumlin did not include birth and death dates on the applications found so far. This did not seem to matter because the application was processed. One of my ancestors for which Tumlin order a headstone died in TX in 1916 and is buried there. His father was the minister of the church for many years and I believe Tumlin included the headstone for that reason, maybe assuming he was buried there, or included it as a cenotaph. I'll never know for sure.

Also, some of the cards in this time period changed and no longer asked for the enlistment date. The numerous changes made to the cards over the years in very interesting.

@bdtex is so correct that this information is invaluable.
 
In my case, it was this information that solved the mystery of why the wrong regiment was inscribed on some headstones.
The applicant, Mr. Tumlin, was a deacon of the church and clerk and caretaker of the church cemetery. In the late 1970's, he began submitting applications for headstones and I have found, so far, applications he submitted over the nest 5 years. It is obvious that he researched the records at the GA Archives for the men from the church who served in "Joe Brown's Army."

Tumlin correctly identified the service of each man, for example - PVT, Co. C, 2nd (Storey's) Regt Inf, GA State Line.
HOWEVER, in the bottom left corner of the application in the area reserved for "Veterans Administration" notations, the regiment information from Mr. Tumlin was changed to read: PVT, Co. C, 2nd Regt GA Inf. and this is what was inscribed on each headstone.
It is obvious that the people finalizing the applications did not know the difference in the two regiments.

It is interesting that Mr. Tumlin did not include birth and death dates on the applications found so far. This did not seem to matter because the application was processed. One of my ancestors for which Tumlin order a headstone died in TX in 1916 and is buried there. His father was the minister of the church for many years and I believe Tumlin included the headstone for that reason, maybe assuming he was buried there, or included it as a cenotaph. I'll never know for sure.

Also, some of the cards in this time period changed and no longer asked for the enlistment date. The numerous changes made to the cards over the years in very interesting.

@bdtex is so correct that this information is invaluable.
You brought up so many good points about other information that can be gleaned from the Headstone Applications.
 
This came up automatically in my ancestry tree some time back. Albert Tincher. His surname is misspelled. He was on his second internment in Camp Chase after his capture at Moorfield. First round was with his father (Confederate Guerilla) and brother. All were scheduled for parole, but dad never made it home. Different QMC form is dated 1950. Wonder if I could order a corrected marker.

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Wonder if I could order a corrected marker.
I was told you could order a replacement —— but Im not so sure.
My ancestor's headstone has the wrong unit on it. He is buried at the veteran's home at Beauvoir. They said they couldnt order a replacement and I think they gave the reason as cost for replacing all the incorrect headstones in their cemetery.

That brings up a question about the headstone application. I did not find a form for this ancestor.
Q: Was this form required for veterans' cemeteries like Beauvoir or for National Cemeteries?
If not, was there another form or document for ordering headstones for large cemeteries?
 

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