Graves and relocation

rgtaylor61

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Im hoping to get some better information on a family member who i believe was at Andersonville but died at Camp Lawton/Millen Ga after being moved. He has a grave marker at Andersonville but all the records ive found list him dying after being moved from there to Camp Lawton. I also believe those bodies were later moved to the national cemetery in Beufort SC. His name was Henry S. Paris (Parrish in some records). does anyone know if they put grave markers up at Andersonville even if they died at Camp Lawton after they were moved as Sherman got closer?
 
Im hoping to get some better information on a family member who i believe was at Andersonville but died at Camp Lawton/Millen Ga after being moved. He has a grave marker at Andersonville but all the records ive found list him dying after being moved from there to Camp Lawton. I also believe those bodies were later moved to the national cemetery in Beufort SC. His name was Henry S. Paris (Parrish in some records). does anyone know if they put grave markers up at Andersonville even if they died at Camp Lawton after they were moved as Sherman got closer?
The short answer is "no." Up until Knut Hansen's late April, 1865 grave, everyone buried at Andersonville died at Andersonville. There were a few post war reinternments after the war ended for soldiers (mostly not POWs) who died elsewhere, but if he has a grave number and his name is on a marker at Andersonville, he probably died AT Andersonville.

I just sent your question off to my friend, who is the goddess of all things Millen (she was an archaeologist who excavated the prison site). As Sherman got closer, the Confederates began to move as many Andersonville prisoners out as they could, and a fair number of them ended up at the not-quite-finished stockade at Camp Lawton in Millen, Georgia, which was only in operation for about 2 months. The ones who died there were buried in what was originally Camp Lawton National Cemetery, but there was some confusion over who actually owned the land, and after the war, all of the dead prisoners were moved, as you said, to Beaufort National Cemetery in South Carolina.

My best guess, without hearing back from my friend, is that your family member likely died at Andersonville, but when it came time to relocate the prisoners, someone took it upon themselves to leave sooner than scheduled by claiming to be your ancestor. This happened quite a bit. I've documented 57 soldiers who left Andersonville by assuming the names of dead sailors, and this recently came up in a prisoner's memoirs that are up for bids next week in an online auction - he writes about a prisoner being too sick to go, so his buddy, thinking quick, told the prison officials that HE was the man in question. https://www.auctionzip.com/search-r...ville&startDate=2021-11-10&endDate=2021-11-11 If this is what happened, it sounds like the guy who used your ancestor's name the died at Millen, and was laid to rest under his alias, and consequently his family never knew what became of him.

I'll do some digging. What was your family member's state and regiment number?
 
The short answer is "no." Up until Knut Hansen's late April, 1865 grave, everyone buried at Andersonville died at Andersonville. There were a few post war reinternments after the war ended for soldiers (mostly not POWs) who died elsewhere, but if he has a grave number and his name is on a marker at Andersonville, he probably died AT Andersonville.

I just sent your question off to my friend, who is the goddess of all things Millen (she was an archaeologist who excavated the prison site). As Sherman got closer, the Confederates began to move as many Andersonville prisoners out as they could, and a fair number of them ended up at the not-quite-finished stockade at Camp Lawton in Millen, Georgia, which was only in operation for about 2 months. The ones who died there were buried in what was originally Camp Lawton National Cemetery, but there was some confusion over who actually owned the land, and after the war, all of the dead prisoners were moved, as you said, to Beaufort National Cemetery in South Carolina.

My best guess, without hearing back from my friend, is that your family member likely died at Andersonville, but when it came time to relocate the prisoners, someone took it upon themselves to leave sooner than scheduled by claiming to be your ancestor. This happened quite a bit. I've documented 57 soldiers who left Andersonville by assuming the names of dead sailors, and this recently came up in a prisoner's memoirs that are up for bids next week in an online auction - he writes about a prisoner being too sick to go, so his buddy, thinking quick, told the prison officials that HE was the man in question. https://www.auctionzip.com/search-r...ville&startDate=2021-11-10&endDate=2021-11-11 If this is what happened, it sounds like the guy who used your ancestor's name the died at Millen, and was laid to rest under his alias, and consequently his family never knew what became of him.

I'll do some digging. What was your family member's state and regiment number?
Thanks..his regiment was the 7th Tennessee Cavalry USA. Interesting information. I appreciate the information.
 
The short answer is "no." Up until Knut Hansen's late April, 1865 grave, everyone buried at Andersonville died at Andersonville. There were a few post war reinternments after the war ended for soldiers (mostly not POWs) who died elsewhere, but if he has a grave number and his name is on a marker at Andersonville, he probably died AT Andersonville.

I just sent your question off to my friend, who is the goddess of all things Millen (she was an archaeologist who excavated the prison site). As Sherman got closer, the Confederates began to move as many Andersonville prisoners out as they could, and a fair number of them ended up at the not-quite-finished stockade at Camp Lawton in Millen, Georgia, which was only in operation for about 2 months. The ones who died there were buried in what was originally Camp Lawton National Cemetery, but there was some confusion over who actually owned the land, and after the war, all of the dead prisoners were moved, as you said, to Beaufort National Cemetery in South Carolina.

My best guess, without hearing back from my friend, is that your family member likely died at Andersonville, but when it came time to relocate the prisoners, someone took it upon themselves to leave sooner than scheduled by claiming to be your ancestor. This happened quite a bit. I've documented 57 soldiers who left Andersonville by assuming the names of dead sailors, and this recently came up in a prisoner's memoirs that are up for bids next week in an online auction - he writes about a prisoner being too sick to go, so his buddy, thinking quick, told the prison officials that HE was the man in question. https://www.auctionzip.com/search-r...ville&startDate=2021-11-10&endDate=2021-11-11 If this is what happened, it sounds like the guy who used your ancestor's name the died at Millen, and was laid to rest under his alias, and consequently his family never knew what became of him.

I'll do some digging. What was your family member's state and regiment number?
Id love some clarification from an expert. I always assumed he died at Camp Lawton as early 80s genealogy work my aunt did had stated that and reports on the internet list him. However I recently saw his marker at Andersonville so I thought perhaps it was done more as a type of memorial. Adding to my confusion is the fact the grave in Beaufort has his last name as Parrish (however that seems to be a common error)
Thanks again any guidance is so appreciated
 
Here's the response from my Archaeologist friend:

"I have him listed as dying at Millen and buried in Trench A at Millen and now interred in plot B2048 at Beaufort. Feel free to have him contact me if they have questions."

Another interesting piece to the puzzle is that, Henry is supposed to be buried in grave 8605, but when I went to look up grave 8605, I also found a reference to a man named S(amuel) Davis, 7th TN Cav being buried there. http://7thtenncavusa.com/Roster-Da-Di.html I think this identification is kind of sketchy, because it says the guy is paroled, but then recaptured, which did happen occasionally, but the word "presumably" says to me that there are some gaps in the lister's research.

Also, S. Pavies, same regiment and death date also comes up when you google grave 8605, Andersonville. That one may have come from John Ransom's list at the back of his book and is probably a mistranscription/misprint http://genealogytrails.com/main/military/andersonvilleprisondiary7.html

All three names - Davis, Pavies and Paris, look very close when written in cursive, and could easily be misread for each other. It could be that the expedition that installed the grave markers at the National Cemetery at Andersonville (which originally were marked with just a wooded plank with a number on them), compared the badly written name to a list of prisoners from the 7th TN Cav and decided it said "Paris" so that's the name that they put (in spite of what you may read about Dorence Atwater and his exceptional penmanship, he was not the only clerk writing in the original register, and some of the listings in it are pretty hard to read - microfilms of the original Confederate copy can be viewed on Family Search. It is also not unusual for a name on a grave marker at the National Cemetery to be wrong - case in point, I believe that four of the six names on the Raiders' graves are incorrect (John Sarsfield was James Sarsfield; A. Munn is Andrew Muir; W. Rickson is a misread of a sailor named William Ritson, and Ritson was going by the alias Charles Curtis, who was never actually a POW at all - he was in the hospital with malaria when his regiment was captured; the sixth raider, John Sullivan - almost certainly an alias - doesn't appear on any of the grave markers, but is probably laid to rest in the "Rickson" grave.).

I took a look on Fold 3, and there's no pension file, but his CMSR has him down as dying at both Andersonville and Millen. I can copy it and post it here if you haven't already seen it.

So there are no conclusions - it COULD be that he died at Andersonville and someone went to Millen using his name and died there still using it; or it could be that it's another man from the same regiment at Andersonville and his name got misinterpreted as your ancestor's when they went to mark the graves.

There doesn't seem to have been a pension filed for Henry Paris, which would have required testimony as to his place and date of death from a witness, if any could be found. And I can't find a regimental history book for the 7th Tennessee Cavalry. If you can find any Andersonville diaries kept by a member of his company, there MIGHT be a mention of his death in it - a lot of guys would list the deaths of the men they knew as they happened.

I'll keep thinking about it and see if I can come up with anything else. If you'd like to talk to my friend the Millen expert, I can message you her contact info.
 
Here's the response from my Archaeologist friend:

"I have him listed as dying at Millen and buried in Trench A at Millen and now interred in plot B2048 at Beaufort. Feel free to have him contact me if they have questions."

Another interesting piece to the puzzle is that, Henry is supposed to be buried in grave 8605, but when I went to look up grave 8605, I also found a reference to a man named S(amuel) Davis, 7th TN Cav being buried there. http://7thtenncavusa.com/Roster-Da-Di.html I think this identification is kind of sketchy, because it says the guy is paroled, but then recaptured, which did happen occasionally, but the word "presumably" says to me that there are some gaps in the lister's research.

Also, S. Pavies, same regiment and death date also comes up when you google grave 8605, Andersonville. That one may have come from John Ransom's list at the back of his book and is probably a mistranscription/misprint http://genealogytrails.com/main/military/andersonvilleprisondiary7.html

All three names - Davis, Pavies and Paris, look very close when written in cursive, and could easily be misread for each other. It could be that the expedition that installed the grave markers at the National Cemetery at Andersonville (which originally were marked with just a wooded plank with a number on them), compared the badly written name to a list of prisoners from the 7th TN Cav and decided it said "Paris" so that's the name that they put (in spite of what you may read about Dorence Atwater and his exceptional penmanship, he was not the only clerk writing in the original register, and some of the listings in it are pretty hard to read - microfilms of the original Confederate copy can be viewed on Family Search. It is also not unusual for a name on a grave marker at the National Cemetery to be wrong - case in point, I believe that four of the six names on the Raiders' graves are incorrect (John Sarsfield was James Sarsfield; A. Munn is Andrew Muir; W. Rickson is a misread of a sailor named William Ritson, and Ritson was going by the alias Charles Curtis, who was never actually a POW at all - he was in the hospital with malaria when his regiment was captured; the sixth raider, John Sullivan - almost certainly an alias - doesn't appear on any of the grave markers, but is probably laid to rest in the "Rickson" grave.).

I took a look on Fold 3, and there's no pension file, but his CMSR has him down as dying at both Andersonville and Millen. I can copy it and post it here if you haven't already seen it.

So there are no conclusions - it COULD be that he died at Andersonville and someone went to Millen using his name and died there still using it; or it could be that it's another man from the same regiment at Andersonville and his name got misinterpreted as your ancestor's when they went to mark the graves.

There doesn't seem to have been a pension filed for Henry Paris, which would have required testimony as to his place and date of death from a witness, if any could be found. And I can't find a regimental history book for the 7th Tennessee Cavalry. If you can find any Andersonville diaries kept by a member of his company, there MIGHT be a mention of his death in it - a lot of guys would list the deaths of the men they knew as they happened.

I'll keep thinking about it and see if I can come up with anything else. If you'd like to talk to my friend the Millen expert, I can message you her contact info.
I sure appreciate all the effort to help me out. If possible I'd love her contact information. I live in SC now and plan to visit the National cemetery in Beaufort as well as Millen and Andersonville. Ill continue researching and look forward to contacting her.
 
Here's the response from my Archaeologist friend:

"I have him listed as dying at Millen and buried in Trench A at Millen and now interred in plot B2048 at Beaufort. Feel free to have him contact me if they have questions."

Another interesting piece to the puzzle is that, Henry is supposed to be buried in grave 8605, but when I went to look up grave 8605, I also found a reference to a man named S(amuel) Davis, 7th TN Cav being buried there. http://7thtenncavusa.com/Roster-Da-Di.html I think this identification is kind of sketchy, because it says the guy is paroled, but then recaptured, which did happen occasionally, but the word "presumably" says to me that there are some gaps in the lister's research.

Also, S. Pavies, same regiment and death date also comes up when you google grave 8605, Andersonville. That one may have come from John Ransom's list at the back of his book and is probably a mistranscription/misprint http://genealogytrails.com/main/military/andersonvilleprisondiary7.html

All three names - Davis, Pavies and Paris, look very close when written in cursive, and could easily be misread for each other. It could be that the expedition that installed the grave markers at the National Cemetery at Andersonville (which originally were marked with just a wooded plank with a number on them), compared the badly written name to a list of prisoners from the 7th TN Cav and decided it said "Paris" so that's the name that they put (in spite of what you may read about Dorence Atwater and his exceptional penmanship, he was not the only clerk writing in the original register, and some of the listings in it are pretty hard to read - microfilms of the original Confederate copy can be viewed on Family Search. It is also not unusual for a name on a grave marker at the National Cemetery to be wrong - case in point, I believe that four of the six names on the Raiders' graves are incorrect (John Sarsfield was James Sarsfield; A. Munn is Andrew Muir; W. Rickson is a misread of a sailor named William Ritson, and Ritson was going by the alias Charles Curtis, who was never actually a POW at all - he was in the hospital with malaria when his regiment was captured; the sixth raider, John Sullivan - almost certainly an alias - doesn't appear on any of the grave markers, but is probably laid to rest in the "Rickson" grave.).

I took a look on Fold 3, and there's no pension file, but his CMSR has him down as dying at both Andersonville and Millen. I can copy it and post it here if you haven't already seen it.

So there are no conclusions - it COULD be that he died at Andersonville and someone went to Millen using his name and died there still using it; or it could be that it's another man from the same regiment at Andersonville and his name got misinterpreted as your ancestor's when they went to mark the graves.

There doesn't seem to have been a pension filed for Henry Paris, which would have required testimony as to his place and date of death from a witness, if any could be found. And I can't find a regimental history book for the 7th Tennessee Cavalry. If you can find any Andersonville diaries kept by a member of his company, there MIGHT be a mention of his death in it - a lot of guys would list the deaths of the men they knew as they happened.

I'll keep thinking about it and see if I can come up with anything else. If you'd like to talk to my friend the Millen expert, I can message you her contact info.
Also Id love it if you could post waht you found on FOLD 3 as i am not yet a member
 
Henry's 11 page Compiled Military Service Record, which is a bimonthly account of his military career. If you have any questions, ask, and keep an eye on the envelope up in the top line - I'm going to email you the Millen lady's email address.
I can't thank you enough. I really need to get Fold3 account
 
I can't thank you enough. I really need to get Fold3 account
If you're only looking up one set of records, it's not worth subscribing. Because I tend to do a lot of research with military records when I'm writing, I usually have a subscription and write it off on my taxes as a business expense. If you need anyone else looked up, let me know.

Good luck!
 
If you're only looking up one set of records, it's not worth subscribing. Because I tend to do a lot of research with military records when I'm writing, I usually have a subscription and write it off on my taxes as a business expense. If you need anyone else looked up, let me know.

Good luck!
Is it possible to.look up William Livingston Paris or Parris. He's Henry's brother but served in the Confederate Army, 12th Kentucky Cavalry CSA. Also WF Ford same unit 12th Kentucky Cavalry CSA.
 
Is it possible to.look up William Livingston Paris or Parris. He's Henry's brother but served in the Confederate Army, 12th Kentucky Cavalry CSA. Also WF Ford same unit 12th Kentucky Cavalry CSA.
There's not as much, record wise, for the Confederacy. Sometimes you need to contact the state archives of the place in question for the military records. Here's what they put down for W L "Parrish":
W L Parrish

Civil War (Confederate)
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FactsStoriesGallerySources

Timeline


State
State: Kentucky, United States of America

Conflict Period
Conflict Period: Civil War (Confederate)

Served For
Served For: Confederate States

3 Sources·3 Ancestry Records


Enlistment - 1 Dec 1863
Place: West, Tennessee, USA

Place: Kentucky

Place: West Tennessee

Rank: Private

3 Sources·3 Ancestry Records


Mustered In
Date
Date: 1 Dec 1863

Info
Info: Enlisted.

3 Sources·3 Ancestry Records

As far as Mr Ford goes, they list a J. F Ford, a Corporal, and a J G Ford - also a corporal, but those are the only Fords who come up in the 12th KY Cav.
 
There's not as much, record wise, for the Confederacy. Sometimes you need to contact the state archives of the place in question for the military records. Here's what they put down for W L "Parrish":
W L Parrish

Civil War (Confederate)
View attachment 420700
FactsStoriesGallerySources

Timeline


State
State: Kentucky, United States of America

Conflict Period
Conflict Period: Civil War (Confederate)

Served For
Served For: Confederate States

3 Sources·3 Ancestry Records


Enlistment - 1 Dec 1863
Place: West, Tennessee, USA

Place: Kentucky

Place: West Tennessee

Rank: Private

3 Sources·3 Ancestry Records


Mustered In
Date
Date: 1 Dec 1863

Info
Info: Enlisted.

3 Sources·3 Ancestry Records

As far as Mr Ford goes, they list a J. F Ford, a Corporal, and a J G Ford - also a corporal, but those are the only Fords who come up in the 12th KY Cav.
Thank you very much.
 
There's not as much, record wise, for the Confederacy. Sometimes you need to contact the state archives of the place in question for the military records. Here's what they put down for W L "Parrish":
W L Parrish

Civil War (Confederate)
View attachment 420700
FactsStoriesGallerySources

Timeline


State
State: Kentucky, United States of America

Conflict Period
Conflict Period: Civil War (Confederate)

Served For
Served For: Confederate States

3 Sources·3 Ancestry Records


Enlistment - 1 Dec 1863
Place: West, Tennessee, USA

Place: Kentucky

Place: West Tennessee

Rank: Private

3 Sources·3 Ancestry Records


Mustered In
Date
Date: 1 Dec 1863

Info
Info: Enlisted.

3 Sources·3 Ancestry Records

As far as Mr Ford goes, they list a J. F Ford, a Corporal, and a J G Ford - also a corporal, but those are the only Fords who come up in the 12th KY Cav.
Would you be able to pull the JF Ford from fold3 for me
 

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