History General ingredients -process question

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I am sorry if this was covered before , but I have a question : there are many fantastic recipes here on this forum and many fine cooks follow them and proclaim "here is an authentic XXXX" . what do you use for ingredients ? a simple recipe that calls for flour and sugar for example ?
I am not an expert but I believe Before 1870 there was only stone ground wheat ? not the white bleached flour we know and buy today . Sugar has changed much since the 1860's .
In 1860 they did not have the nice controlled ovens and stoves we have today - how do you truly make an authentic item ?
thanks in advance for your answers and knowledge .
 
Here is a link to cook books from years gone by,this may give the answers that you need.they start from previous 1800, going up in years by a decade all the way up to 1939.they are very unusual in the measurements at times which you may have to search for a thread here that Donna opted about antiquated measurements.

vintagecookbooks.healthyeatingandlifestyle.org/index.html
 
I am sorry if this was covered before , but I have a question : there are many fantastic recipes here on this forum and many fine cooks follow them and proclaim "here is an authentic XXXX" . what do you use for ingredients ? a simple recipe that calls for flour and sugar for example ?
I am not an expert but I believe Before 1870 there was only stone ground wheat ? not the white bleached flour we know and buy today . Sugar has changed much since the 1860's .
In 1860 they did not have the nice controlled ovens and stoves we have today - how do you truly make an authentic item ?
thanks in advance for your answers and knowledge .
That really is a problem and depends on the individual's personal philosophy.

Flour--there are some special flours you can order online, to get unbleached white, that kind of thing. There was white flour--Sylvester Graham had complained loudly about its lack of nutrition in the early 19th cenutry--so there was also whole wheat flour. Both were typically made of soft wheat, either winter or spring depending where you lived. Soft wheat is hard to get in anything other than a pastry sort of grind, rather than a normal grind. Most flour is a mix. You'd need to look into that. But Mediterranean wheat was the big wheat in the middle part of the US, long awns, winter, red, soft wheat, so that would be an ideal goal. But one might also find other flours sold under names--cracker flour, pastry flour, pasta flour, etc. that might meet one's needs.

Sugar--once it was added to a recipe, it performs much like period flour, as far as I know, but I have not studied cane varieties, so I may have missed a lot. If you're demonstrating the cooking process, you might need to look for or make a sugar loaf, or a brown flour of a certain consistency. But if you're only wanting the result, that doesn't matter. The white granulated flour won't be in a loaf shape anymore.

One thing to note--powdered sugar shows up in some period recipes, but they don't mean anything special, so use granulated sugar. All they mean is sugar that's not in a loaf. The loaf is that big cone-shaped thing wrapped in bluish-purple paper, and that's how you'd buy sugar at the store, unless you wanted to pay extra for coffee sugar and get it pounded or granulated.

Brown sugar was generally put in a barrel and shipped that way, and you'd get some out. There were various kinds, as there were various kinds of molasses, and we're generally getting some of the nicest kinds today.

As far as ovens and such--that's an interested philosophical problem. If a dozen cooks in the period followed a recipe and each baked it slightly differently based on their kitchen and choice and experience, those would all be period, by defiition. So there's no single correct period cake, or whatever is being made. Personally, I think that leaves open a parameter of accurate cakes. If it's within what a cook would have done in the period, it's accurate, and so is the cake baked somewhat differently following the same instructions.

Once one has learned the different ingredients and how to read period recipes, and decided what's available and where you've decided to call it "good enough" on the authenticity scale, then it becomes pretty easy and more fun at that point. Also sometimes you can try things and decide if they matter. The vast majority of heirloom vegetables from our garden (way back when we had one) didn't really matter. Didn't taste much different. Main difference was the parsnips--much sweeter when they got a nice freeze in the ground. Also, perfectly fresh things out of season were different--potatoes or cabbage or apples or onions stored late, start changing a bit, whereas today they're always perfectly "in season."
 
Back in the day, oven temperature was guessed at by sticking your hand inside. When I was a child, we lived for 2 years with a wood stove. There was a thermometer of sorts on the door, but it didn't work. We had a few burned items, but my mother soon learned. The main thing was to have the fire burn down to lots of hot coals, so the temperature would stay relatively steady during baking.

Mom also got really good at judging hot coals from a campfire, for campfire baking. She prided herself on making yeast rolls, biscuits, pie and cake. The local newspaper, after an interview in which she mentioned pie and cake, printed it as "pine cake." Mom was quite upset because she went to a lot of trouble to keep pine needles out of her cooking!
 
I'm the worst kind of cook but I once bought a cook book on recipes used in the South during the war when ingredients were hard to get. There was a lot of corn and honey was a primary sweetener. When I cook it is somewhat tasteless, but my wife is noted for her corn cakes.
 
If you are putting in hard campaigning you would have to add a few days without food, sometimes raw bacon and worse. There were also times of reasonable rations for the troops and good food in the homes. Get a list of foods offered by suttlers.
 
Yes, one just needs to decide what level of accuracy one wants to strive for, then go for that. I can understand and appreciate most anyone's choice, except for those who decide: I'm not going to eat hardtack with weevils, therefore I'll eat a Big Mac. I don't get that choice.* The logical choice to me, would be to eat hardtack without weevils.

*I'm not implying that you meant it that way, Rally_Around_the_Flag! I've just seen it done by others who start out with the same beginning phrase, and it reminded me. Just wanted to make that clear!
 
Yes, one just needs to decide what level of accuracy one wants to strive for, then go for that. I can understand and appreciate most anyone's choice, except for those who decide: I'm not going to eat hardtack with weevils, therefore I'll eat a Big Mac. I don't get that choice.* The logical choice to me, would be to eat hardtack without weevils.

*I'm not implying that you meant it that way, Rally_Around_the_Flag! I've just seen it done by others who start out with the same beginning phrase, and it reminded me. Just wanted to make that clear!

But just think of the high quality protein that the weevils add to your diet! :bounce:
 

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