General Grant fate?

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The first locomotive built west of the Mississippi was supposed to have been an Hannibal engine shop during the war and named the General Grant. Was wondering if anyone knows it fate.

Here's a period Hannibal and St Jo locomotive......not sure if it's the Gen Grant but emblem between the drives has always caused to wonder if it is the locomotive.

The Hannibal-St Joe is often credited with using the first purpose built mail cars

 

[Lubliner]

This rail line crossed the State of Missouri and it's endpoint was the beginning of the Pony Overland Express to California. I haven't heard of this Locomotive, but wonder where the name originated. The Hannibal had engines at least from 1857. @DaveBrt do you know?
Thanks for the post!
Lubliner.

 

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The Patee house in St Jo has a 4-4-0 that was built for Hannibal and St Joe then used by CB&Q, but it was built in Illinois.

 

[Lubliner]

Besides the one ornament on the roof of the B/W photo, the color one seems to be a match. Maybe the General Grant was in the engine shop for repair during the war?
Lubliner.

 

[Lubliner]

So far, what I can find, "Ten platform cars, of four feet eight and a half inch gauge , had been purchased at an early day and used on the railroads of the Western States, to transport cars of five feet gauge from the Manufacturers' works to Jeffersonville, opposite Louisville. Locomotives, five-feet gauge, provided but not used, 35." [O. R. Series III, Volume 5, page 998].
On the next page is a tabular of how locomotives were disposed of after the war: Lost or destroyed- 6; for cash- 146; Under executive orders Aug. 8 and Oct. 14- 164; Returned to former owners- 103.
Lubliner.

 

[archieclement]

The General Grant was the first they built at their engine shop in Hannibal.

 

[Lubliner]

It is possible the locomotive named Missouri was re-christened as the General Grant due to his protective orders. Just speculating.
Lubliner.

 

[archieclement]

Renaming an old engine doesn't fit with it being the first engine built west of the Mississippi at the H&St Joe engine shop, that would be a new engine.

 

[Lubliner]

Check this out; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Locomotives_by_year_of_introduction but I cannot find anything American.
And, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_locomotive_builders#United_States
Lubliner.

 

[archieclement]

I don't know the General Grant was an American, the few photos I have seen of Hannibal St Joe engines are, but don't know they were exclusively used, photos of the engines are rather scarce as well.

 

[Lubliner]

I don't know the General Grant was an American, the few photos I have seen of Hannibal St Joe engines are, but don't know they were exclusively used, photos of the engines are rather scarce as well.

To be the first built west of the Mississippi means a foundry or machine shop here, but the designs and advancements, which I believe you mean , are hard to determine their origins. Most of the shops appeared in Pa., New York, Mass., etc. We would be limited to the States west of the Mississippi. But you were interested in what finally became of the General Grant during or after the war?
Lubliner.

 

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Yes, between being the first built west of the Mississippi, and having a famous namesake, thought it might have been preserved somewhere.

Sidenote, Hannibal had foundries and a engine shop was built below the lovers leap bluff in the yards. And the Grant was built in that engine shop.

 

[Lubliner]

Do you know what year? I have a hard time with searching 'General Grant' due to the prevalence of the namesake.
Lubliner.

 

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No year wasn't given, but would assume obviously 62 or later for general to have been used. And this indeed would have been a case of "In addition to these, many railroads operating steam locomotives built locomotives in their shops."