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My thoughts exactly. Kind of a Rosa Parks in reverse!I was a bit surprized at that too, Diane. Reverse discrimination? Very odd!
My thoughts exactly. Kind of a Rosa Parks in reverse!I was a bit surprized at that too, Diane. Reverse discrimination? Very odd!
Never thought of it that wayIt's a little like parking in a handicapped space, in a way - after all, the black man who wished to sit there was not free to go take her spot in the white section. The law was a bad law, but her actions in violating it were not laudable. The wasn't about an abstract idea, she inconvenienced a real person. Someone had to stand because she chose to sit in his spot instead of moving.
It's a little like parking in a handicapped space, in a way - after all, the black man who wished to sit there was not free to go take her spot in the white section. The law was a bad law, but her actions in violating it were not laudable. The wasn't about an abstract idea, she inconvenienced a real person. Someone had to stand because she chose to sit in his spot instead of moving.
Expired Image RemovedSource: Cleveland Gazette June 21, 1902: Gen. Robert E. Lee's Daughter Arrested
Volume: 19...
Issue Number: 46
Page Number: 02
Date: 06/21/1902
I think that's so and there's also the adjustment of old attitudes. She'd been raised all her life as a person people deferred to, both as a lady and as a Lee, with the old social codes - she was a lady and her maid could sit with her, by golly! That guy can sit elsewhere... Sometimes we forget how hard it must have been on people of her generation who were raised one way and had to get used to another way that was mostly opposite. I believe that went both ways, too, for that matter.
It's a little like parking in a handicapped space, in a way - after all, the black man who wished to sit there was not free to go take her spot in the white section. The law was a bad law, but her actions in violating it were not laudable. The wasn't about an abstract idea, she inconvenienced a real person. Someone had to stand because she chose to sit in his spot instead of moving.
Diane, are you saying that the earlier street cars wouldn't have been segregated? Because this came up in New Orleans when Butler took over and the mule pulled cars were segregated.
From what I'm reading between the lines, these laws were new in this location, and before then, "segregated" seems to have meant "There's a section which negroes had better not sit in unless they are with a white person as servants." It would be interesting to know if there were any specific laws on the books, or just customs.Diane, are you saying that the earlier street cars wouldn't have been segregated? Because this came up in New Orleans when Butler took over and the mule pulled cars were segregated.
Unless you have more information than you're revealing, you don't know the truth of this statement.As for who passed such laws? Friends and relatives of Mary Lee.
I know that it is true that politicians don't write most of the legislation they sponsor (I am including his lackey employees as being 'him' by way of agency theory), but was that true 115 years ago?With all due respect, Allie, I have admitted that I am far less knowledgeable about the military aspects of the Civil War than most who frequent CWT, but I usually pay attention to the political. The Virginia Constitutional Convention of 1900 codified the Jim Crow laws to ensure that **** in Virginia was written into law. The delegate to that convention from Alexandria was Frances Lee Smith, who was the personal attorney of Robert E. Lee and who represented him in the lawsuit to regain Arlington House.
Mary Lee's brother was a state senator in Virginia and U.S. Congressman from Northern Virginia, her cousin Fitzhugh Lee was governor of The Commonwealth, and descendants of the Lee-Randolph-Fitzhugh-Harrison-Byrd families were scattered throughout Virginia politics of the era. Mary's husband and father both served as Presidents of Washington and Lee University.
As for the politics of creating laws--perhaps that's how a bill passes on Constitution Rock. However, those of us on the outside don't really know who the powers are that allow any particular bill to get passed. We also don't know if the person whose name is on the bill for introducing it is the one behind a bill, or if he just agreed to put it into the hopper at the behest of someone else.