NF Dunkirk

Non-Fiction
Also not told -- never told, it seems -- is the story of tens of thousands of French troops who had retreated across Belgium alongside the Brits, and then held the line, while the British units were brought back to the coast for evacuation. They were told their time would come. When the Germans re-commenced their offensive, the vastly outnumbered French made a fighting retreat, only reaching the beaches when it was too late.

The French had set up a "boat-lift," too, though not as big or well-organized. Their ships waited in the Channel while the British evacuation was going on. But by the time it was done, it was no longer safe to approach the beaches, and the French boats had to turn back empty-handed. A few thousand French were taken aboard British and French ships, but the great majority were rounded up by the Germans and spent years as PoWs or slave-labor in German factories.

There is no blame to be put in this. And, it is certainly no reflection on the suffering, courage and determination of the British. But, the French always seem to get the short end of our memory. In 1939-41, nobody beat the Germans. They had introduced a new way of making war, and nobody was prepared for it. The British (and all of us) are very fortunate that the Brits had a Channel to entrench behind, and start the work of building the force that would finally put Hitler down.

As to the movie: it was overwhelming visually. Not a character-based film, major character development wasn't needed -- they did just fine. The "jerky" editing was a bit distracting, though. I can't speak to the sound quality; to me it was just a loud and muddled roar ... but, that's because of my lousy hearing. I had to track down the only showing in my area that offered captioning, or I never would have known what anybody was saying. Looking forward to getting the dvd, and settling back to enjoy it more comfortably.
 
Also not told -- never told, it seems -- is the story of tens of thousands of French troops who had retreated across Belgium alongside the Brits...

Never told? You know it. I read about it several books. The story is out there;
just as with the war we talk about here lots of stories are told but you have to have a more than superficial interest to encounter them.
 
Of the 300,000 evacuated soldiers at Dunkirk, about 1/3 were French. The French Army made TREMENDOUS sacrifices holding the perimeter and buying time for the BEF to flee. One of the most famous incidents was the Siege of Lille from May 28-30, 1940. The outnumbered and outgunned soldiers held the line until they ran out of ammo. Churchill later credited the defense of Lille as buying four days time for the retreat.

The sacrifice of frontline French troops also allowed the evacuation to be extended to June 4, allowing many more French soldiers to be rescued. On June 4 alone, 26,000+ French soldiers (almost 1/4 of the total evacuated French) were evacuated.

The real tragedy is that, unlike the British Army, most of the evacuated French troops were redeployed to France for the final defense of Paris, thereby finding themselves killed, severely wounded, or thrown in POW camps.

"Most French evacuees from Dunkirk had elected to be returned to the fight; the British troops had gone home to be re-equipped."

- Williams, Andrew. France, Britain and the United States in the Twentieth Century 1900–1940: A Reappraisal. Palgrave Macmillan, 2014.

"If there is little awareness of the great numbers of French extracted from Dunkirk, there is even less that most were back in their own country in under a week."

- Alexander, Martin. "Dunkirk in Military Operations, Myths and Memories." Britain and France in Two World Wars: Truth, Myth and Memory. Ed. Robert Tombs and Emile Chabal. A&C Black, 2013.

Also worth noting is that of the 300,000 evacuated soldiers, 240,000 were evacuated from the mole and only 99,000 from the beaches (these are estimated numbers, hence their not adding up). The Little Ships often ferried soldiers to larger naval vessels that then took them across the channel. Few of the little ships actually carried soldiers across the channel (though some certainly did!).

The film correctly shows improvised jetties being constructed out of parked lorries covered in planks. However, the film incorrectly shows all of the Little Ships arriving in Dunkirk at the same time. They actually began arriving on the second day of the evacuation and continued until the end. The big ships with red sails shown in the film are Thames River Barges.

If you scroll down user rewdco put together an incredible "walking tour" of the beaches of Dunkirk just after the evacuation using photographs taken by German soldiers.
http://ww2talk.com/index.php?threads/dunkirk-operation-dynamo-evacuation-beaches.25035/page-25

It even includes Spitfires and Hurricanes that belly-landed on the beaches far outside the perimeter much like Tom Hardy's character Farrier did.
 
My son seen it, but I don't think it's something I will watch. I'm not big on WWII movies, just not a war that holds a lot of my interest. And I'll admit, I want a storyline and characters in a movie. One of the biggest things I always want is good character development. Just doesn't sound like this movie is made for someone like me.
 
And what would you learn about the characters in Dunkirk if Nolan had written some depth to them? Same old clichés you hear in other war movies. Missing the family and wife/girlfriend, scared, wish the war was over, what are we fighting for etc etc.

Developing characters of interest takes skill and a little hard work. But instead of that, we get a wonderful, gifted actor like Mark Rylance (Wolf Hall) zombie-walking through his role as the boat owner. I blame the director. What a waste!
 
Of the 300,000 evacuated soldiers at Dunkirk, about 1/3 were French. The French Army made TREMENDOUS sacrifices holding the perimeter and buying time for the BEF to flee.

I was about to mention this important point when I saw you already had. Another notable contribution was by a French unit - I don't have a reference handy, but IIRC it was the 68th Infantry Division under the XVI Corps. They had been stationed on the extreme left, under 7th Army which advanced into Holland, but moved rapidly all the way across the rear of the shrinking Allied perimeter to take station west of Dunkirk and block the advancing panzers.
 
Of the 300,000 evacuated soldiers at Dunkirk, about 1/3 were French. The French Army made TREMENDOUS sacrifices holding the perimeter and buying time for the BEF to flee. One of the most famous incidents was the Siege of Lille from May 28-30, 1940. The outnumbered and outgunned soldiers held the line until they ran out of ammo. Churchill later credited the defense of Lille as buying four days time for the retreat.

The sacrifice of frontline French troops also allowed the evacuation to be extended to June 4, allowing many more French soldiers to be rescued. On June 4 alone, 26,000+ French soldiers (almost 1/4 of the total evacuated French) were evacuated.

The real tragedy is that, unlike the British Army, most of the evacuated French troops were redeployed to France for the final defense of Paris, thereby finding themselves killed, severely wounded, or thrown in POW camps.

"Most French evacuees from Dunkirk had elected to be returned to the fight; the British troops had gone home to be re-equipped."

- Williams, Andrew. France, Britain and the United States in the Twentieth Century 1900–1940: A Reappraisal. Palgrave Macmillan, 2014.

"If there is little awareness of the great numbers of French extracted from Dunkirk, there is even less that most were back in their own country in under a week."

- Alexander, Martin. "Dunkirk in Military Operations, Myths and Memories." Britain and France in Two World Wars: Truth, Myth and Memory. Ed. Robert Tombs and Emile Chabal. A&C Black, 2013.

Also worth noting is that of the 300,000 evacuated soldiers, 240,000 were evacuated from the mole and only 99,000 from the beaches (these are estimated numbers, hence their not adding up). The Little Ships often ferried soldiers to larger naval vessels that then took them across the channel. Few of the little ships actually carried soldiers across the channel (though some certainly did!).

The film correctly shows improvised jetties being constructed out of parked lorries covered in planks. However, the film incorrectly shows all of the Little Ships arriving in Dunkirk at the same time. They actually began arriving on the second day of the evacuation and continued until the end. The big ships with red sails shown in the film are Thames River Barges.

If you scroll down user rewdco put together an incredible "walking tour" of the beaches of Dunkirk just after the evacuation using photographs taken by German soldiers.
http://ww2talk.com/index.php?threads/dunkirk-operation-dynamo-evacuation-beaches.25035/page-25

It even includes Spitfires and Hurricanes that belly-landed on the beaches far outside the perimeter much like Tom Hardy's character Farrier did.
Zack- I think you are a bit low on your number of evacuated. The total for the 9 days between May 26th & June 4th 1940 was 338,226 troops. For every 7 Soldiers who escaped, 1 was left behind as a POW. Churchill had ordered that the French & British should leave 50-50,arm in arm, but all was not harmonious on the beach! The British were annoyed with the French for not following the order to abandon their haversacks & equipment as they queued up to embark.
Had Britain lost her army at Dunkirk, Hitler would have been tempted to invade immediately,even without air superiority.
 
I don't do indoor theaters, so I am waiting for it to be released on DVD.! Looking forward to it.[/QUOT
I noticed that it's playing at a nearby drive-in (there are still some). But I opted for a nice comfy indoor theatre...and it was excellent! I think it's one of those films that are a lot better on a big screen because of the scope of the scenes and photography. Strangely enough, I loved it but husband only liked it a little.
 
Zack- I think you are a bit low on your number of evacuated. The total for the 9 days between May 26th & June 4th 1940 was 338,226 troops.

Haha good catch @Rio Bravo. TBH I was just rounding to 300,000 cause it was easier to type. My bad!

The Germans even had a saying about the conflict between Britain and France: "The British will fight to the last French man."
 
I saw it and liked it. The director expects ppl to know some basic history about the situation. Hence the lack of plot development. For not having much dialogue, it was pretty tense. Just my thoughts. I really enjoyed it and would see it again.
 
Go, run, walk, wobble to your theater and see Dunkirk! It was amazing, scary, wonderful, enough action for everyone, and totally inspiring...timely, too, considering the past few weeks. Since the actors were English, I didn't really know the names of anyone except Tom Hardy :wub:, Harry Styles, and of course, Kenneth Branagh. Naturally, I kept expecting Branagh to break into the speech from Henry V...but he was great. Everyone was great.

We have a quite small theater that was restored by a non-profit group with donations and grants...many of us gave time and whatever help we could. Generally, the theater shows more kid-friendly films, but this time it was a big audience of older people, couples without kids, and teens (who I was glad to see there!). Because it's small, you're right on top of the action. I admit I jumped a few times. You'll see. Neal said he was glad we didn't go to the IMAX because I might have fallen out of my seat.

The plot is pretty simple...the English army stranded on the beach at Dunkirk, and the way the British got them home, for the most part. Tom Hardy is a Spitfire pilot, Harry Styles is a soldier who sort of joins up with another guy for the most spectacularly bad luck (outside of being killed) trying to get off the beach and back to England, and Kenneth Branagh is a Naval Commander (who has one of the funniest lines in the film while he's discussing tides with an Army officer).

It's a war movie, straight and simple. If you want convoluted plots and all that jazz, don't go. If you like good old fashioned war films with heroism, cowardice, and a triumph of the human spirit and good over evil, you'll love it. I was always fascinated with this part of history, since I read about the flotilla in a Reader's Digest as a child. And, well, there is the speech Winston Churchill gave...always one of my favorite parts of Senior English.

Love to hear what those of you who went think. You may not be obsessed with Tom Hardy (Neal didn't even know who he is, lol), but I think you might like it.
The book is much more interesting while the movie is just a small part of the whole story.Who ever gave the Churchill speech did a terrible performance .The boat scene must have taken up most of the movie.Suggestion wait for it to come to HBO or NETFLIX.This was no The Longest Day.nor even Saving Private Ryan.
 
I saw it and liked it. The director expects ppl to know some basic history about the situation. Hence the lack of plot development. For not having much dialogue, it was pretty tense. Just my thoughts. I really enjoyed it and would see it again.

You nailed it. I didn't need a lot of plot. It's obvious the French are holding the line...in the first scene, the guy manages to survive because the French wave him on while they're behind sandbags on a street leading to the beach. Anyway, they mention the French several times....

Good actors, IMO, don't have to say a lot on film. I loved the unspoken communication between father and son. Reminds me of my dad...one look did it.

And did I mention Tom Hardy? :inlove:
 
Thanks for the review. Been try to get my Dad to go see it just to get him up and out of the house. Besides we now both get senior discounts.:D
 
Yep, its worth a look see! Personally, found the civilian rescue very inspiring. Then, of course, the message from Churchill to the people during their bleak days of the war - they broke the mold after the likes of him and FDR.
 
excellent movie, one of the things that struck me was....when watching the end credits.....they noted that some of the civilian boats used in the movie were actual boats that participated in the evacuation.

I thought that was kind of cool
 
excellent movie, one of the things that struck me was....when watching the end credits.....they noted that some of the civilian boats used in the movie were actual boats that participated in the evacuation.

I thought that was kind of cool

I was actually on one of them for a few minutes back in 1982. When I was in the Navy, my ship visited Portsmouth, and I hitched a ride ashore on the little boat that came out to pick up our trash. Over the pilothouse door was a little brass plaque: Dunkirk 1940. Didn't see her in the movie though :(
 
I was actually on one of them for a few minutes back in 1982. When I was in the Navy, my ship visited Portsmouth, and I hitched a ride ashore on the little boat that came out to pick up our trash. Over the pilothouse door was a little brass plaque: Dunkirk 1940. Didn't see her in the movie though :frown:

that had to be a cool experience......touching history like that is pretty special
 

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