Down, But Not Out

Here's a dilemma some of us have run into here in Raleigh, NC.: One of the most likely areas for identifying and preserving the Civil War earthworks around the city is in a dense woods where many homeless people camp. If people are used to having that as a camp, how would they react to researchers or an archaeological team probing around the woods? And are there any ethical concerns around disrupting a habitat like that?

Roy B.
The conflict of eminent domain versus 'stand-your-ground' policy, especially so. Ornithologists might be confronted with a 'Little Red Riding Hood' fear. City planning isn't necessarily altruistic having far-reaching goals, and desiring what is the best for the majority. There is no law that I am aware of giving 'squatters' rights' to communes, and these do not prove an experience level to remain unobtrusive; what I have witnessed, personally. I have heard an expression as broken glass on the pavement to prove work, but why when one can beg?
Lubliner.
 
Here's a dilemma some of us have run into here in Raleigh, NC.: One of the most likely areas for identifying and preserving the Civil War earthworks around the city is in a dense woods where many homeless people camp. If people are used to having that as a camp, how would they react to researchers or an archaeological team probing around the woods? And are there any ethical concerns around disrupting a habitat like that?

Roy B.

I'm curious about the area you're referencing. Governor Vance ordered the construction of earthen breastworks to completely surround the city in 1863, but they ended up not being used. I've read the earthworks were about 5 feet high, with some dozen batteries for cannon at intervals. Do some remain intact? I thought there were only remnants behind Mordecai Historic Park.
 
I'm curious about the area you're referencing. Governor Vance ordered the construction of earthen breastworks to completely surround the city in 1863, but they ended up not being used. I've read the earthworks were about 5 feet high, with some dozen batteries for cannon at intervals. Do some remain intact? I thought there were only remnants behind Mordecai Historic Park.

The original 1863 map shows 17 batteries. None of them still exists today as such, but I think that many of their locations are still discernible as mounds or platforms -- here's one example I wrote up: https://raleighswall.wordpress.com/...c-southernmost-redan-on-todays-s-saunders-st/ . That location lies to the south, near the S. Saunders St. exit of I-40. If the redans are drawn to scale, they would have been about 100-150 feet wide, so the platforms they were built on would have been even larger. So we're talking about relatively massive structures.

Where I think we have prospects of identifying and perhaps preserving Raleigh earthworks is along the lines of entrenchments shown on the map. The line I mentioned before (crossing homeless encampments) lies between S. Wilmington St and Fayetteville St near Eliza Pool Park. In a few areas, the lines seem to run across semi-public land like that. In other cases, they run through neighborhoods and could very well be found in people's backyards.

As you mentioned, I've seen references saying they would have been about 5 feet high. One primary source I have found describes them as "breastworks," which I think implies that they would have been built to breast height, so 5 feet could be correct. We're unlikely to find anything near that height remaining today, more likely just low mounds or slightly raised areas on the ground.

As far as the homeless camps: This photo below shows Fayetteville St near its intersection with S Wilmington. to the left at the top of the hill is the likely location of the Fayetteville Rd redan. The promontory here at center is where I think a set of advanced works were built, looking out over the Walnut Creek waterway. The original Fayetteville Road (now Street) has been rerouted slightly since CW times -- I think it originally ran about 100 feet to the left, where the old waterworks are.

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This photo below is up at the top of the hill near the likely Fayetteville Road redan location. Eliza Pool Park is to the left, and the woods to the right are where people are living, and where the line of entrenchments probably ran.

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Roy B.
 
June 21, 1861
There is no doubt but soldiering begets a tendency to vagabondizing. This rolling up in a blanket to sleep whenever night overtakes one is a very free & easy life.

For Country, Cause & Leader: The Civil War Journal of Charles B Haydon ed. Stephen W Sears NY 1993
 

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