Doing genealogy 'backwards'

Research is research. You use the same resources, do the same documentation. It's not unusual to be going both forward and backwards, and as someone else said, going sideways. Certainly it takes longer if you are starting with a single couple and attempting to track all of their descendants rather than just identifying your direct ancestor going back in each generation - but the process would be the same. I answered queries for the county historical society for many, many years, and learned that there is no single, "correct" way to do research. But just remember that, at least in my area, probably 2/3 of the available material is NOT online. And, a ton of the trees submitted to sites like Ancestry have egregious errors because the submissions are not vetted. If something seems a little off, check a little deeper, use some critical thinking, and document, document, document!
 
"Backwards" (which I see as actually forward) is how I've done all the research I did on persons buried in the cemeteries where I volunteered. All I usually know at the beginning is the name and the dates. I use the basic sources: start with the local historical society; Ancestry and sometimes FamilySearch (to get things like census, marriage, death, if lucky probate, military); newspapers.com and, in Oregon, the U. of Oregon historic newspaper site; if it's a vet then I often get the service record and always - if there is one - the pension file (often a gold mine of genealogical and personal info such as marriages and the children's birth info); if I start to find other places they lived I look to see if there is an historical society there and contact them (sometimes have to pay a small fee for a search); later I often use FindAGrave to look for siblings and children and other relatives; in a few cases regarding well-known local folk I've hired someone to do deed searches in other states; at one time it was common for there to be published histories of counties and I always look for those as they typically contained short bio sketches of prominent citizens; many state libraries have collections of biographies and I always look for those (I have all the Oregon ones bookmarked); in the nineteenth and early twentieth centuries it was common to produce county maps which showed all the land owners' parcels and I look for those (Library of Congress is very useful for that); some states have databases of things peculiar to their histories - e.g. Oregon has a good one of all the wagon trains - so some careful Googling sometimes finds a useful site; GLO (maintained by the BLM) land records for homestead info; GAR records if such exist.

Often there are published histories of important developments or projects or things like military regiments and those sometimes mention individuals. I found one man's naval history in Admiral Porter's history of the war and several time found mentions of folks in things like histories of large river locks, dams, first electrical plants, and the like. Careful Googling has worked for me in finding these references.

That's just off the top of my head; probably left out some. Often the path that I discover will offer some other possibility that needs to be checked out. For instance, long stories short, I've contacted university archivists to look for attendance and graduation records and state archives for things like lists of representatives or old court or probate records and once an organization that has all the records of the state's historic newspapers (in my case to document an editor).

That said, I don't see why one would do it that way if researching one's family history. Much easier to start with what you know and, using the same kinds of resources, work your way back.
 
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You don't have to look far in genealogy to see that the first recommendation is to start in the modern day, usually with yourself, and work UP your family tree. This is by far the better way to discover your ancestry.

Well..... I just started volunteering for a group that want to figure out how to do it, to my mind, backwards. They want me (and others) to start with someone in the past and come into the present. I have personally tried this once or twice and found it very difficult. Frustratingly difficult. As part of the project I'm working on, the organization holes to develop a methodology for doing genealogy in this way.

And so, I am reaching out to all of you. What would be your hints in doing research with a past record as a starting point? What would your methodology look like?
I literally did that with two men that had the same surname and served in the same regiment as my GG Grandfather, with entirely different results for both. The one person was known to be my GG Grandfathers brother and there is even a photo of the two of them. He and my GG Grandfather enlisted on the same day. The other fella, I'm inclined to believe was their younger brother or a very close cousin based on the fact that he enlisted a few weeks later at age 16 or 17, was placed in a different company as a result, but immediately transferred into the same company upon arriving in camp.

As for the known brother, he deserted prior to Fredricksburg and literally vanished into the ether. Being Irish, there are at least 10 guys in every city in the US, southern Canada, and Ireland that had the same name as him. All that I could really do is eliminate possibilities, but can never prove where he went.

The one that I suspect was a brother was what you might call, "A good ancestor", in the manner that he left a small trail in the newspapers for things both benign and slightly dubious. His research started with a pension file that gave me his wife and children. Some of his children left a trail, others fizzled out. I found some of his descendants and tried to contact them to see if they knew more, but they were either uninterested, or did not wish to acknowledge him. And that's where his story ends.
 
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The problem is that folks have preconceived notions of how the branches should fit and will pound them to match those notions, instead of just following the facts.
Exactly. Most people with my last name want to be related to Sir Thomas Wyatt. I have determined with Y-DNA that I have zero chance of having my patrilineal go to him. I have convinced very few that they are using a family tree which was drawn with errors years ago.
I can make the argument that because of all the cuckolding going on, no one has that line. At least, what that line it should be is not clear.
 
I done both ways to research. One thing that really helped with my Mom's family was Italian Genealogy.com. With their help I found parents, siblings back 100 years or more. Names I never knew. They had access to Italian records and were always willing to help. They even found churches ancestors were baptized in. This really opened doors on my Mom's family.
 
I've tracked down living veterans and families of deceased veterans and lighthouse keepers from my lighthouse and local military stations.

I started building an Excel database of everyone known to have served at my local WW2 station. I've got a couple thousand people in there so far, out of an estimated 20,000 total. I've only added a few hundred of them into an Ancestry.com tree - mostly officers or people for whom I have extra details (letters, photos, newspaper stories).

I dont quite understand what you are researching. What is the meaning of "lighthouse keepers"?
What military station are you researching? Is it an Army base? I thought you would research a specific unit, such as a battalion. But 20,000 men is more than in a WW2 US infantry Division at one time.

I have done a lot of research on my Father's field artillery battalion. After obtaining all the unit's orders(memos) from the NARA archives, I have most of their names. With the help of my website, I've made contact with many family members of a Veteran in the battalion.
What frustrated me last month, I received an email from a family member thanking me for the info on our father's unit. But she didnt provide the veteran's name and she hasn't answered my email reply.
 
I dont quite understand what you are researching. What is the meaning of "lighthouse keepers"?
What military station are you researching? Is it an Army base? I thought you would research a specific unit, such as a battalion. But 20,000 men is more than in a WW2 US infantry Division at one time.

Camp Murphy was an Army Signal Corps training camp 1942-1944. Now a state park.

Lighthouse keepers are people whose job it was to operate and maintain a lighthouse. They normally lived on site - sometimes in part of the lighthouse. In the US, they were civilian federal employees until the mid-20th century; Coast Guard enlisted personnel after that. Now keepers are practically no more because the lighthouses are all automated or inactive.

Sometimes whole families entered the lighthouse service. Younger assistant keepers sometimes married daughters of the older head keeper. Widows sometimes succeeded their late husbands as keeper. Some lighthouses had most of their keepers come from a single local family, with sons succeeding fathers and younger brothers assisting older brothers.

In some places like the Outer Banks all the old families are related to each other and every generation had somebody in the lighthouse service or lifesaving service.
 
It's great to see that so many of you have been successful in doing genealogy from the past forward. Likewise, I have had success when I went up my family tree, moved to a sibling or cousin, and then worked down. In this case it's a bit different. The organization I'm working with values privacy so I won't be specific, but in general terms I can lay out the challenges:

The individuals we are looking to build downward stepping family trees for generally have no birthdates or birth places. They usually have no marriage records and often no traceable parents. And they rarely appear by name prior to the 1870 Census. So the general foundations that we genealogists build on are very shaky.
 
It's great to see that so many of you have been successful in doing genealogy from the past forward. Likewise, I have had success when I went up my family tree, moved to a sibling or cousin, and then worked down. In this case it's a bit different. The organization I'm working with values privacy so I won't be specific, but in general terms I can lay out the challenges:

The individuals we are looking to build downward stepping family trees for generally have no birthdates or birth places. They usually have no marriage records and often no traceable parents. And they rarely appear by name prior to the 1870 Census. So the general foundations that we genealogists build on are very shaky.
I've done that many times as well. It's a bit more challenging. You really need either a well-documented estate record OR someone who actually knows they are a descendant. It's best when you have both. Even if you have one or both of these, it's almost impossible to connect Tom on the Thompson family records to the Thomas Thompson in the 1870 US Census. Let alone Tom's children. Only occasionally will you be able to connect all the dots to identify one of Tom's descendants.

Of course, that doesn't mean you can't do what you describe in some cases. My own family kept meticulous records and recorded a detailed paper trail that's much easier to track than most. I found some of the men after they left the place and a few had served in the USCT. The women are even harder to track down. The easiest of course, were the men who came back to the locale after the war. They generally maintained relationships with some of the same folks as before the war.

Although this one below isn't exactly what you seem to be talking about, here's an example from a while back.
 
It's great to see that so many of you have been successful in doing genealogy from the past forward. Likewise, I have had success when I went up my family tree, moved to a sibling or cousin, and then worked down. In this case it's a bit different. The organization I'm working with values privacy so I won't be specific, but in general terms I can lay out the challenges:

The individuals we are looking to build downward stepping family trees for generally have no birthdates or birth places. They usually have no marriage records and often no traceable parents. And they rarely appear by name prior to the 1870 Census. So the general foundations that we genealogists build on are very shaky.
That would be very difficult, especially if the name is not unusual. I've hit walls when I didn't have much other than a name and an age because there'd be a bunch of folks who matched living relatively close by (you know, a twenty-two year old Michael Smith or Martin Murphy in New York). Good luck !
 
The person who thought of this can't be Irish Catholic.

In my family - Irish on both sides - there are sometimes 13-14 siblings, not unusual for kids to die young. On both sides of my family there was a baby born as child #1 or 2...then about 10 years later another kid - same family - with the same name. I thought I kept screwing up when I realized they simply had two kids with the same name and the first one died. Weird things like this keep me on the genealogy train. Toot toot!
 
The person who thought of this can't be Irish Catholic.

In my family - Irish on both sides - there are sometimes 13-14 siblings, not unusual for kids to die young. On both sides of my family there was a baby born as child #1 or 2...then about 10 years later another kid - same family - with the same name. I thought I kept screwing up when I realized they simply had two kids with the same name and the first one died. Weird things like this keep me on the genealogy train. Toot toot!
Yes, the Irish definitely lacked creativity when it came to naming their children. It's downright maddening at times :)
 
You don't have to look far in genealogy to see that the first recommendation is to start in the modern day, usually with yourself, and work UP your family tree. This is by far the better way to discover your ancestry.

Well..... I just started volunteering for a group that want to figure out how to do it, to my mind, backwards. They want me (and others) to start with someone in the past and come into the present. I have personally tried this once or twice and found it very difficult. Frustratingly difficult. As part of the project I'm working on, the organization holes to develop a methodology for doing genealogy in this way.

And so, I am reaching out to all of you. What would be your hints in doing research with a past record as a starting point? What would your methodology look like?
This is exactly what I am doing for some of the Millen POWs. I'm not related to any of them. I started with the Andersonville departure records; located them on muster rolls or rosters; used findagrave to find parents, siblings, spouses; used census data; searched local newspapers; etc. to flesh out their lives post-war. It's totally do-able and I have biographical sketches on over 3900 men.
 
The person who thought of this can't be Irish Catholic.

In my family - Irish on both sides - there are sometimes 13-14 siblings, not unusual for kids to die young. On both sides of my family there was a baby born as child #1 or 2...then about 10 years later another kid - same family - with the same name. I thought I kept screwing up when I realized they simply had two kids with the same name and the first one died. Weird things like this keep me on the genealogy train. Toot toot!
Same situation as yourself. Family names get repeated through the ages and no middle initial to help. Yes, members can repeat names in same branch due to deaths and wishing to maintain the name. Another thing that threw me at first were two or more with same date of birth until the bell went off for twins etc.. I managed to get back into the very late 1700's
 
If you think the Irish are bad, you should try working with Germans! They do the same thing, using a very small pool of names. In one large, early 19th century German family, I have Jacob Sr., Jacob Jr. - who is not Jacob Sr.'s son but his nephew, Jacob II who is his son, Jacob Jr.'s son who is Jacob III, and also Jacob II's son who is another Jacob III. And some of them are pretty close in age. And of course all of them have the first (generally unused) name Johann. Thank heaven they all married women with different names!
 
You don't have to look far in genealogy to see that the first recommendation is to start in the modern day, usually with yourself, and work UP your family tree. This is by far the better way to discover your ancestry.

Well..... I just started volunteering for a group that want to figure out how to do it, to my mind, backwards. They want me (and others) to start with someone in the past and come into the present. I have personally tried this once or twice and found it very difficult. Frustratingly difficult. As part of the project I'm working on, the organization holes to develop a methodology for doing genealogy in this way.

And so, I am reaching out to all of you. What would be your hints in doing research with a past record as a starting point? What would your methodology look like?
I've actually researched this way quite a bit over the years and it has become a lot easier. Always track your land to find your man. I'm fortunate to have Ancestry, which helps grouping records together, but don't hesitate to use the USGenweb to see what the older county genealogical sites still have online. I start with a family group sheet, paper or digital, and fill in whatever information is available to begin with so you have a good idea of what you need to find. Then I start searching census records for up to 10 decades, saving the ones I think I need. Always review the 2-3 pages before and after the page/record you are keeping and save any additional pages with the surname you are researching. These families are most likely related. Record all family members names and information found in the census records on your FGS. Then fully cite your sources for the information. You will create a FGS for every individual you research and can usually establish the individual's parents, siblings, approximate birth years, and state(s) where everyone was born. Next, search for marriage records. Most occurred 1-2 years prior to the firstborn's birth year. If census records indicate the family stayed in the same county for 50-60 years, look for marriages of additional family members. Then look for any probate records in that county.
If the census records show the family moved from one location to another during the person's lifespan, create a timeline with locations and any family changes along the way; more children born or adults/children listed previously not listed on later census. census. Cite your sources! You will want to know later on where you found the information. This step is also important to me because it significantly narrows down where to look for personal tax records and documents that legally establishes when the person or family moved to that county (usually the same year the name of the head of household first appears in the personal tax records), and real property records, which give the specific dates of land purchases, or establishing a homestead claims.

When researching from the past going forward, tract the dates of the original acquisition of the land by our country first, then establish when the land was surveyed by the US Government in preparation for settlement. I live in NW Arkansas and the land here was surveyed in the early to mid 1830's. These Original Surveys did not get approved by Washington until the early 1840's, when Land Patents were finally issued to settlers. Washington County, Arkansas Territory, was established in 1828, Lovely County existed from 1824-1828, and before that Arkansas was part of the Territory of Missouri. Personal tax records, also known as Sheriff's Censuses, are very helpful establishing the actual year people settled because it was the responsibility of the county's sheriff to locate new settlers as soon as possible after arrival, assess their personal property, and levy the taxes required to be paid by the end of that year. The more people assessed and taxed, the higher the pay he received. Most land patents in Benton County, Ark. weren't issued until 10-15 years later when the surveys were finally approved. This difference in the dates of the records can create confusion sometimes for researchers.

From there, reading family histories published in local genealogy/history publications, newspaper articles, probate records, church records, cemetery records, military, and personal diaries related to your person adds those details of their daily lives. Be willing to accept the fact that the story your ancestors passed down may not be completely true. I'm the black sheep, trouble-making genealogist in my family because we had always been told that three of my Great Grandparent's children died in Holmes County, Mississippi during the Civil War, which wasn't true. I found the two oldest children living with my GG Grandparents in Sunflower County, Mississippi in 1870, and the other daughter living with other relatives in Southern Arkansas. My Great Grandmother, Hulda Scott (Mathis) McClellan, could not find enough food to continue feeding their four children so she made the heartbreaking decision to give the youngest three to the parents and family of her husband, James Samuel McClellan, who was in the Confederate Army, to take care of and that is how the story got started. My Great Grandmother, Hulda, was Mississippi Choctaw, and, as I understand it, in Choctaw culture, if you give your children to another person/family to feed and take care of them because you can't, they are no longer your children and have "died" to you. And that was the story passed down and believed for nearly 100 years.
 

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