Confederate Populist Backlash

leftyhunter

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Hard to take advantage of laws when the people were often not accepted in the general population, at least until 50 years later during the Great Migration.
The fact is laws are an expression of society. For some strange reason the American South was against legitimizing adult relationships accross racial lines unless it was done by slave owners.
There were mixed marriages in the North not many at first but they did occur and they were at least legal.
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CSA Today

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The fact is laws are an expression of society. For some strange reason the American South was against legitimizing adult relationships accross racial lines unless it was done by slave owners.
There were mixed marriages in the North not many at first but they did occur and they were at least legal.
Leftyhunter

One of California's own and long time professor of history at the University of California at Berkley had the following to say:
“The same popular pressures that forced political parties to embrace the doctrine of white supremacy demanded and sanctioned the social and economic repression of the Negro population. Racial segregation or exclusion thus haunted the northern Negro in his attempts to use public conveyances, to attend schools, or to sit in theaters, churches, and lecture halls. But even the more subtle forms of twentieth-century racial discrimination had their antecedents in the anti bellum North: residential restrictions, exclusion from resorts and certain restaurants, confinement to menial employments, and restricted cemeteries. The justification for such discrimination in the North differed little from that used to defend slavery in the South: Negroes, it was held, constituted a depraved and inferior race which must be kept in its proper place in a white man's society.”

Leon Litwack's North Of Slavery, Preface, p. viii.
 

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The fact is laws are an expression of society. For some strange reason the American South was against legitimizing adult relationships accross racial lines unless it was done by slave owners.
There were mixed marriages in the North not many at first but they did occur and they were at least legal.
Leftyhunter
For some strange reason the north largely was not accepting of former slaves migrating north for half a century, and then had local laws reflecting societal expressions of segregation for decades after (at least after dark).
 

leftyhunter

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For some strange reason the north largely was not accepting of former slaves migrating north for half a century, and then had local laws reflecting societal expressions of segregation for decades after (at least after dark).
For some strange reason it wasn't the South who on their own allowed racial equality to their citizens of color. The North wasn't perfect but it evolved .
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leftyhunter

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One of California's own and long time professor of history at the University of California at Berkley had the following to say:
“The same popular pressures that forced political parties to embrace the doctrine of white supremacy demanded and sanctioned the social and economic repression of the Negro population. Racial segregation or exclusion thus haunted the northern Negro in his attempts to use public conveyances, to attend schools, or to sit in theaters, churches, and lecture halls. But even the more subtle forms of twentieth-century racial discrimination had their antecedents in the anti bellum North: residential restrictions, exclusion from resorts and certain restaurants, confinement to menial employments, and restricted cemeteries. The justification for such discrimination in the North differed little from that used to defend slavery in the South: Negroes, it was held, constituted a depraved and inferior race which must be kept in its proper place in a white man's society.”

Leon Litwack's North Of Slavery, Preface, p. viii.
Again it no Southern state on its own accord granted full equality under the law.
The North and West evolved the South only under legal pressure. The California Supreme Court over twenty years earlier then the US Supreme Court overturned California's Miscegenation laws. LAPD had African American officers long before any Southern police department did after Reconstruction. Santa Monica High School was integrated long before any post Reconstruction Southern high school.
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Again it no Southern state on its own accord granted full equality under the law.
The North and West evolved the South only under legal pressure. The California Supreme Court over twenty years earlier then the US Supreme Court overturned California's Miscegenation laws. LAPD had African American officers long before any Southern police department did after Reconstruction. Santa Monica High School was integrated long before any post Reconstruction Southern high school.
Leftyhunter
I wonder why California native Leon Litwack didn't mention any of this? The University of California is hardly an outpost of Neo-Confederate thought.
 

Fairfield

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I wonder why California native Leon Litwack didn't mention any of this? The University of California is hardly an outpost of Neo-Confederate thought.
Perhaps you are confusing racism and slavery. They can be mutually exclusive. Racism is the "fear of others" that can be typical of just about everyone. Slavery is a practice that can exist outside racism (for example, the French Canadians of colonial PQ had English slaves and Vikings took white slaves from all over). But, when one mixes the two, one comes up with a distinct institution--and those who follow in its wake intellectually may be marked by it.

The late Professor focused on the treatment of blacks--everywhere. He never supported neo-Confederalism.
 

leftyhunter

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I wonder why California native Leon Litwack didn't mention any of this? The University of California is hardly an outpost of Neo-Confederate thought.
Facts are facts I don't speak for others.
Why didn't Southern states insure complete racial equality before Northern states did to lead by example? Why did Southern states have miscegenation laws yet slave owners such has Thomas Jefferson and Jefferson Davis violate them openly? Our own @AndyHall as an online article about one of Jefferson Davis's sons joining the Union Navy and his mother who was one of Davis's slaves bore him five sons.
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Perhaps you are confusing racism and slavery. They can be mutually exclusive. Racism is the "fear of others" that can be typical of just about everyone. Slavery is a practice that can exist outside racism (for example, the French Canadians of colonial PQ had English slaves and Vikings took white slaves from all over). But, when one mixes the two, one comes up with a distinct institution--and those who follow in its wake intellectually may be marked by it.

The late Professor focused on the treatment of blacks--everywhere. He never supported neo-Confederalism.
You apparently missed my tongue in cheek observation, He wouldn't have been at U. Calif.-Berkley at any time after the mid-20th century if he had. You are right Litwack focus on the treatment of blacks everywhere.
 

CSA Today

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Facts are facts I don't speak for others.
Why didn't Southern states insure complete racial equality before Northern states did to lead by example? Why did Southern states have miscegenation laws yet slave owners such has Thomas Jefferson and Jefferson Davis violate them openly? Our own @AndyHall as an online article about one of Jefferson Davis's sons joining the Union Navy and his mother who was one of Davis's slaves bore him five sons.
Leftyhunter
You are going to have to come up with a better source than that. How about a recognized historian -- please not David Williams.
 

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@MattL already provided evidence from DNA studies that most race mixing came from slave owners . Slave woman were not in a position to refuse.
Leftyhunter
I note your continued preoccupation with miscegenation, at least it's not the it's all about slavery drone. If most of it happened in the South it's because that is where 99 percent of blacks lived
 

leftyhunter

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I note your continued preoccupation with miscegenation, at least it's not the it's all about slavery drone. If most of it happened in the South it's because that is where 99 percent of blacks lived
It wasn't I who wrote the miscegenation laws it wasn't I who required a Supreme Court Decision to overturn them. It wasn't I who was impregnating slave women.
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But we can be sure it was Southern slave owners who hypocritically impregnated African American woman but would hang an African American man who expressed interest in their daughters.
Leftyhunter
I don't know what this has to do with Confederate Populist Backlash, but it does seem to go on and on. Perhaps you should read Litwack's North of Slavery, he discusses black plight everywhere.
 
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