Confederate flag that never was.

major bill

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This is one of the flags submitted to be the flag for the Confederacy. I have no idea why it was not selected.

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Frederick14Va

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Those displayed in the chart above are just a sampling of the hoards of public submissions that were received. These are mostly the reasonable ones... some others were quite outlandish or even bizarre, even for that period. Various newspapers also ran their own little public submission entries of sorts. A few of those were actually adopted and used in the field by some units. These submission flags tend to historically be classified and categorized a bit different than those that were presentation flags, and/or those designed and used by various Corp's, commands, or unit levels. Which spawned a wide array of flags during the period that no single national flag had yet been chosen.. Many of those continued in use even after one had been designated
 

major bill

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I have seen the symbolism explained. The red edge is the Northern Hemisphere with the evil (red) Northen interference in the South being replaced with the blue clear sky of the Southern Hemisphere. The seven stars are for the seven Confederate states. The white stripes are the seven Confederate states (white for purity) joining the pure white circle which is the Confederate nation. The eye is the Confederate president watching over the nation and also God being all seeing.

The flag was based on the Aurora Borealis of September 18 1859 which some seen as an omen. The red of the evil North fading as the cear skys of the South pushed back the evil sky of the North.
 

rebelatsea

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I have seen the symbolism explained. The red edge is the Northern Hemisphere with the evil (red) Northen interference in the South being replaced with the blue clear sky of the Southern Hemisphere. The seven stars are for the seven Confederate states. The white stripes are the seven Confederate states (white for purity) joining the pure white circle which is the Confederate nation. The eye is the Confederate president watching over the nation and also God being all seeing.

The flag was based on the Aurora Borealis of September 18 1859 which some seen as an omen. The red of the evil North fading as the cear skys of the South pushed back the evil sky of the North.
I thought it was somewhat masonic.
 
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During the contest didn't a CSA Senator make the remark that the battleflag reminded him of a "Pair of Suspenders".
Correct, William Porcher Miles, the Chairman of the Committee on Flag and Seal, submitted his own design to the First National Flag competition in 1861, his flag contained seven stars on a blue Saltier, and was the predecessor the Battle Flag, Congress did not particularly like the flag, and, as you say, one Representative stated that it looked like a "Pair of Suspenders".

This is Miles' 1861 First National Flag proposal
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Here are some more flags from the First National Flag competition

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I have more Confederate flag proposals, so feel free to let me know if you want to see more.
 
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UncleBourbon

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Kirkwood Otey gets major props in my book if that design in the top left is a black and white Gadsden. John Sansom certainly included it in his.

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J.M. Jennings had a pretty aesthetic design going for himself as well.

Here are some more flags from the First National Flag competition

I have more Confederate flag proposals, so feel free to let me know if you want to see more.

If you could please post the flags by Otey and Jennings, I would appreciate it a lot.
 
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Kirkwood Otey gets major props in my book if that design in the top left is a black and white Gadsden. John Sansom certainly included it in his.

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J.M. Jennings had a pretty aesthetic design going for himself as well.



If you could please post the flags by Otey and Jennings, I would appreciate it a lot.
Never heard of Otey and Jennings before, I might have to research that.

I've made an attempt at recreating that flag
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