Col. Charles Pease Sword

[Badgercwcollector]

I bought this Sword about 20yrs. ago . I was told that it was post Civil War which I believe to be accurate. I have seen similar swords like this belonging to a member of the S.U.V. I thought it would be a slam dunk to find out who this guy was. After many searches on the internet have found nothing. There were 600 plus soldiers with the name Pease from the union side . I checked with the SUV to see if they have any records but they and they do not. Any ideas as to finding information on this man. Thank you.

 

[Badgercwcollector]

Sorry Pic did not download I will try again

 

[Badgercwcollector]

SWORD FOR COL.CHRLES PEASE PICS

 

[lupaglupa]

A quick search found lots of men named Charles Pease but none with the rank of Colonel. It would help narrow the search if we could date the sword - @ucvrelics James N. what do you think?

 

[Badgercwcollector]

A quick search found lots of men named Charles Pease but none with the rank of Colonel. It would help narrow the search if we could date the sword - @ucvrelics James N. what do you think?

99 I am sure that this would be a son of a Civil War Vet. 1890's - 1920"s

 

[lupaglupa]

99 I am sure that this would be a son of a Civil War Vet. 1890's - 1920"s

Do you think this is a ceremonial rank? It looks like a presentation sword

 

[Badgercwcollector]

Do you think this is a ceremonial rank? It looks like a presentation sword

I think it is a Sons of Union Veterans sword presentation

 

[UCVRelics]

There should be a makers mark up near the end of the blade where it goes into the hilt which would help date it. This could be a GAR sword. The rank would be from the organization not the war

 

[Badgercwcollector]

I tried to get decent photo of the maker but... Ames Sword Co. Chicopee Mass. I did see one almost exactly like this for someone in the SUV a few years back . Thank you, UCV

 

[Fairfield]

We had a problem similar to this and, after a great deal of research by several historical societies, the "ACW sword" turned out to be a militia sword.

Our genealogy library has a file cabinet of SUV members--by camp, not in alpha order--and based on the name of the soldier who was the basis for membership. If we have that information out in the willywacks of Maine, for sure the SUV has it also. But the problem is that there is no way to search it without spending weeks and weeks. If SUV doesn't have a master membership list, I can't imagine how to proceed. Do you know if the sword is from the state of its seller?

 

[Bob Velke]

This is the only context in which I've found a Charles Pease being referred to as a Colonel. This is from the "Montgomery Advertiser" (Montgomery, Alabama), 16 Sep 1905.

 

[UCVRelics]

Interesting as I live in demopolis. The Ames mark is a post war mark so I'm still leaning GAR

 

[Badgercwcollector]

We had a problem similar to this and, after a great deal of research by several historical societies, the "ACW sword" turned out to be a militia sword.

Our genealogy library has a file cabinet of SUV members--by camp, not in alpha order--and based on the name of the soldier who was the basis for membership. If we have that information out in the willywacks of Maine, for sure the SUV has it also. But the problem is that there is no way to search it without spending weeks and weeks. If SUV doesn't have a master membership list, I can't imagine how to proceed. Do you know if the sword is from the state of its seller?

The seller had no information as to where it came from and said it was post Civil War . Sounds like I have a problem child here lol

 

[Badgercwcollector]

We had a problem similar to this and, after a great deal of research by several historical societies, the "ACW sword" turned out to be a militia sword.

Our genealogy library has a file cabinet of SUV members--by camp, not in alpha order--and based on the name of the soldier who was the basis for membership. If we have that information out in the willywacks of Maine, for sure the SUV has it also. But the problem is that there is no way to search it without spending weeks and weeks. If SUV doesn't have a master membership list, I can't imagine how to proceed. Do you know if the sword is from the state of its seller?

The 1860 Staff and Field sword was used by the militia officers. I have one that has the initials W.F.C.J. on the guard . I will post that one at a later date. WFCJ lol I will need some luck figuring that out lol

 

[James N.]

The 1860 Staff and Field sword was used by the militia officers. I have one that has the initials W.F.C.J. on the guard . I will post that one at a later date. WFCJ lol I will need some luck figuring that out lol

Of course this isn't really an 1860 Staff & Field sword but more of a fantasy version adapted for presentation purposes. This one reminds me most of similar-period fraternal or society pieces - especially the scabbard mountings. Things like this were most likely for GAR purposes, and the rank of colonel might also have been a GAR rank.

 

[Badgercwcollector]

Of course this isn't really an 1860 Staff & Field sword but more of a fantasy version adapted for presentation purposes. This one reminds me most of similar-period fraternal or society pieces - especially the scabbard mountings. Things like this were most likely for GAR purposes, and the rank of colonel might also have been a GAR rank.

I have seen SUV swords using Col. rank on their blades . Saw 1 last night that was a model 1860 S and F " Type 2 " I will search GAR swords and see if any have ranks on their blades. I only have $175 invested in this sword but I like to find the history on items that have names on them as I have a mission to put photo's of my Military identified items on Find A Grave Web site for relatives history buffs and Genealogist too see. Thank you for your information !!! Greg

 

[Badgercwcollector]

We had a problem similar to this and, after a great deal of research by several historical societies, the "ACW sword" turned out to be a militia sword.

Our genealogy library has a file cabinet of SUV members--by camp, not in alpha order--and based on the name of the soldier who was the basis for membership. If we have that information out in the willywacks of Maine, for sure the SUV has it also. But the problem is that there is no way to search it without spending weeks and weeks. If SUV doesn't have a master membership list, I can't imagine how to proceed. Do you know if the sword is from the state of its seller?

Some day if I have lots of time I may check into this. Just curious . What model sword did you find out to be a Militia sword ?

 

[Fairfield]

Some day if I have lots of time I may check into this. Just curious . What model sword did you find out to be a Militia sword ?

The sword is in the collection of another historical society (it isn't the one discussed here). We did genealogical research to determine that the original owner never served in the Civil War but that he did serve in the state militia. With that information, we went to an antique dealer of contemporary armaments (for reasons of cost, we never start there--but that might be the obvious place). The expert determined the model and clearly placed it with the Maine militia after ACW.