Co-existing With Our Forefathers

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Article by Lars Wilson
On the Fourth of July a friend and I visited Historic Fort Snelling in St. Paul, a reconstruction of the old fort as it looked about 1820.
An interpreter, greeting us in uniform and shako, asked us if we'd ever been there before. I said I had, but it had been a while.
"Well, we've made a few changes," he told me. "For one thing, we used to do First Person reenacting. We talked to visitors as if we were actual people from 1820. Now we do Third Person reenacting. We talk to you like modern people. The old way got too difficult. When it came to subjects like slavery and Native Americans, it was kind of uncomfortable."
Understandable. Anyone who's already walking around in a wool uniform on a 100° day doesn't need any more discomfort.
Still, the change bothered me. Or rather, not the change itself, but the cultural forces that (I assumed) had made the change inevitable.
Not that there's anything contemptible in the fact that today's young people have a hard time defending slavery or 19th century Indian policy. And I fully sympathize with any black reenactor who's reluctant to play a contented slave (a surly slave might be personally satisfying, but would probably make a poor tourist guide). That issue is especially relevant at Fort Snelling, because it was one of the places in free territory where an army doctor named John Emerson brought a slave named Dred Scott, in the 1830s. Scott would later sue for his freedom, leading to the explosive Dred Scott Supreme Court decision of 1857.
What troubles me is the thought that we may be heading for a situation where it's impossible for those young people to even begin to understand the mindset of their ancestors.
Students today are taught to empathize with members of all kinds of cultures -- tribal cultures, theocratic cultures, authoritarian cultures. They're taught to respect them and never under any circumstances to presume to criticize them.
Would it really be out of order to ask them to try to understand their own ancestors the same way?
Our relationship to our ancestors in the west is best described, I think I'm safe in saying, as dysfunctional. We've locked up our skeleton-filled closets and repurposed them as crypts. We're like a teenage girl who hates going anywhere with her parents, because she knows they'll embarrass her and she'll just die.
"But what's the alternative?" the liberal asks. "Expect them to find excuses for the horrific crime of slavery?"
"Well, yes," I'd reply. "Just the same way you find excuses for the horrific crime of slavery in the Islamic world today."
If you want to increase the sum total of human understanding, why not?
Slavery is a fascinating study. There are people around who love to find hypocrisies in Christian history (it's a lazy man's sport; no one's ever called it hard), and the fact that Christians have practiced and supported slavery is one of their favorite zingers. They like to claim that the Bible blesses slavery, which is stretching a point. The Bible legislates a non-chattel form of slavery in the Old Testament, and the New Testament treats it practically, as a fact of life, which it was up until the mid-19th century (and continues to be today in places). There's no condemnation of slavery as a specific sin, because it comes under a more basic commandment -- "Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them." Nobody wants to be a slave, so there can be no justification for making our neighbors slaves.
Why, then, didn't Christians abolish the practice until the times of Wilberforce and Lincoln?
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The answer is "civilization." An occasional voice rose to protest the institution (St. Patrick of Ireland seems to have been one), but the answer was always, essentially, "Not practical. Civilization would fall."
Here's the embarrassing truth in civilization's closet: it demands cheap labor. The philosopher can't meditate, the artist can't paint or sculpt, the astronomer can't contemplate the heavens, if he has to spend the bulk of his time tending his own fields, caring for his own livestock, or cleaning his own house. The higher the civilization, the more slaves it requires. It was like that from the beginning of the world until the Industrial Revolution. (There was a brief break in parts of Europe following the Black Death, but that was a demographic anomaly, it seems to me.)
The Industrial Revolution (a blessing from God, in my opinion) made it increasingly possible to carry on the work of civilization using machines rather than slaves for the scut work. And as soon as that happened, the scales fell from the eyes of the Christians, and they said, "Hey! I never noticed it before, but this slavery business is really cruel."
Dred Scott's owner (a different one), heartily ashamed of himself, set him free voluntarily, three months after the Supreme Court decision.
And so the infamy was abolished. Not without a fight, but the thing had become inevitable, so long as the machines kept rumbling.
Understanding these facts doesn't justify slavery. All it does is make it understandable. It opens a door of human sympathy to people who were different from us.
Which used to be a liberal value.
 
I don't do First Person in classrooms because, in general, the students in this area (South Florida) don't have enough back round knowledge for the impression to make any sense to them. For example, many of these kids (HS Juniors) don't know the North fought the South or that the North wore blue and the South wore gray. African-American kids don't know that there were black soldiers. They are unable to conceive of the nineteenth century or life beyond the suburbs- most have never even been camping. I start with power outages during hurricanes as an experience they can relate to in order to get them to imagine life without electricity. In one hour you can't do much.
 
First person interpretation is tough, and better if the visitors have some preparation that they are going to encounter a person from an earlier time.

I have seen the a woman playing a slave in Colonial Williamsburg in a way that makes the visitor very uncomfortable, and was historically accurate, but it was a sophisticated performance.

I love how the Wall Street Journal automatically adopts the slaveowner mentality and assumes everyone else does too. "Contented slaves" or "surly slaves!"
 
I don't do First Person in classrooms because, in general, the students in this area (South Florida) don't have enough back round knowledge for the impression to make any sense to them. For example, many of these kids (HS Juniors) don't know the North fought the South or that the North wore blue and the South wore gray. African-American kids don't know that there were black soldiers. They are unable to conceive of the nineteenth century or life beyond the suburbs- most have never even been camping. I start with power outages during hurricanes as an experience they can relate to in order to get them to imagine life without electricity. In one hour you can't do much.

Definetly have got to get it to "their" level. Hard to understand sometimes, especially if you were raised in a Christian school like me. We were taught about the founding fathers and etc.......so much that is left out now.
 
Article by Lars Wilson


Understanding these facts doesn't justify slavery. All it does is make it understandable. It opens a door of human sympathy to people who were different from us.




The thing that I would hope for is a representation of all the voices of the era, but I realize this is logistically and economically difficult to do, perhaps impossible to do in some venues.

In Richmond, VA, the American Civil War Center at Historic Tredegar bills itself as the nation's first museum to interpret the Civil War from Union, Confederate, and African American perspectives.​
This provides a full and comprehensive view of the past that would be great to replicate elsewhere. But it's not easy to do resource wise.
- Alan​
 
Article by Lars Wilson
Would it really be out of order to ask them to try to understand their own ancestors the same way?
Our relationship to our ancestors in the west is best described, I think I'm safe in saying, as dysfunctional. We've locked up our skeleton-filled closets and repurposed them as crypts. We're like a teenage girl who hates going anywhere with her parents, because she knows they'll embarrass her and she'll just die.
"But what's the alternative?" the liberal asks. "Expect them to find excuses for the horrific crime of slavery?"
"Well, yes," I'd reply. "Just the same way you find excuses for the horrific crime of slavery in the Islamic world today."
I'd propose that the alternative is not to rewrite history to make white people look better. Or to make any people look better or worse than they were. The goal should be to try to show them as they were, without pre-deciding who's going to be portrayed as villains or victims, and let visitors interact with them, then make up their own minds.​
But maybe visitors are too stupid to do that, and either need shielded from the past, or have simplified moral conclusions handed to them. I dunno, I've met some pretty smart visitors who actually seem to get the most out of a more subtle and challenging interpretation. I wish historic sites didn't always have to be dumbed down to the level of the "worst" visitors.​
 
I don't do First Person in classrooms because, in general, the students in this area (South Florida) don't have enough back round knowledge for the impression to make any sense to them. For example, many of these kids (HS Juniors) don't know the North fought the South or that the North wore blue and the South wore gray. African-American kids don't know that there were black soldiers. They are unable to conceive of the nineteenth century or life beyond the suburbs- most have never even been camping. I start with power outages during hurricanes as an experience they can relate to in order to get them to imagine life without electricity. In one hour you can't do much.

The SCV puts on several Sam Davis youth camps each summer. Each session lasts a week and includes Southern /Confederate history along with shooting, archery, canoeing, swimming, dancing, good manners and other activities. While I can understand SCV interpretations may not be everybody's cup of tea I see no reason why other organizions couldn't modify to suit their on interpretation of history. The SCV program has operated for nearly ten years and has been a great success.

http://samdavis.scv.org/

"Under it we won our victories and its glory will never fade. It is enshrined in our hearts forever."

Varina Howell Davis (Speaking of the Confederate Battle Flag)
 
Re-read the article: now I think he's stupid.

The greater the civilization, the greater the slaves is definitely not true, at least since the early modern era. European slavery came to a halt before industrialization. American slavery was abolished in the Northern states before industrialization, not as a consequence of it. Industrialization hardly meant that suddenly all the "scut work" was done by machine. The abolition of slavery in the southern states didn't mean cotton was now picked by machine. It was mules and men for at least another half century.

Thinking that people are puppets of impersonal economic forces used to be a Marxist value, but old Karl has at least one follower still.
 
Another thing: whatever changes in styles of historical interpretation at Fort Snelling or elsewhere, its not because African Americans don't want to interpret or portray the slave experience, as Wilson lazily writes above(why not talk to an African American interpreter, Lars? Make a freaking phonecall. Visit a blog. Introduce some air into your bubble). At Colonial Williamsburg, black interpreters have pushed for more programming, both 1st and 3rd person. And Wilson's vocabulary about "contented" and "surly" enslaved people is just strange. Who is he channeling anyway, Scarlett O'Hara?
 
American slavery was abolished in the Northern states before industrialization, not as a consequence of it. Industrialization hardly meant that suddenly all the "scut work" was done by machine. The abolition of slavery in the southern states didn't mean cotton was now picked by machine. It was mules and men for at least another half century.

There's also the point that the invention of the cotton gin was what made slavery more profitable in the deep south. So one could argue that a machine which sped up one part of production, just meant that there was more need for slave labor to keep pace with the other parts of production.
 
There's also the point that the invention of the cotton gin was what made slavery more profitable in the deep south. So one could argue that a machine which sped up one part of production, just meant that there was more need for slave labor to keep pace with the other parts of production.

Before the cotton gin, one slave could produce what....(I have the figures at school) 15 pounds per day? Whitney's little (by modern standards) gin could produce 50. As technology improved, you could produce 1,500 pounds of clean cotton per day.

Yet there were no picking machines.

When I was a child, it was done in East Texas by poor blacks and whites; in West Texas, poor whites and Hispanics.
 
The SCV puts on several Sam Davis youth camps each summer. Each session lasts a week and includes Southern /Confederate history along with shooting, archery, canoeing, swimming, dancing, good manners and other activities. While I can understand SCV interpretations may not be everybody's cup of tea I see no reason why other organizions couldn't modify to suit their on interpretation of history. The SCV program has operated for nearly ten years and has been a great success.
http://samdavis.scv.org/
"Under it we won our victories and its glory will never fade. It is enshrined in our hearts forever."
Varina Howell Davis (Speaking of the Confederate Battle Flag)

I'll let your website do the talking for me. Here are some quotes from the speaker notes of the powerpoint presentation on the Sam Davis website:

Slide 3-- "The duty charged to the Sons of Confederate Veterans is to ensure that the true history of the South is presented to future generations."
Slide 14 -- "The explanation of why the Battle Hymn of the Republic (Pastor John Weaver) should never be sung by true Southron people or by Christians was one that I extremely enjoyed."
Slide 26-- First bullet in slide:
"Battle Hymn of the Republic
--Why it is blasphemous against God
--Why it is hatred against us, Southrons"
Slide 26 -- "Another class was given on the Southron faith vs. Northern religion. The North had virtually almost any religion- the main one, though, was Unitarianism. In contrast, the South was had many biblically sound churches. We're aren't called the Bible Belt for nothing."
Slide 27 -- "...These camps are the only source of the true Southron history that many will ever see; my generation cannot and will not get the true history from their school, the TV, radio, or from our culture...If the younger generation isn't taught to carry on the legends and the true history, no one will. Gentlemen, we must keep the legends and the true history continuing, not only so they aren't lost, but also to keep the government off the Bible. The Federals can't destroy the Bible as long as the Confederacy is still strong."
 
I'll let your website do the talking for me. Here are some quotes from the speaker notes of the powerpoint presentation on the Sam Davis website:

Slide 3-- "The duty charged to the Sons of Confederate Veterans is to ensure that the true history of the South is presented to future generations."
Slide 14 -- "The explanation of why the Battle Hymn of the Republic (Pastor John Weaver) should never be sung by true Southron people or by Christians was one that I extremely enjoyed."
Slide 26-- First bullet in slide:
"Battle Hymn of the Republic
--Why it is blasphemous against God
--Why it is hatred against us, Southrons"
Slide 26 -- "Another class was given on the Southron faith vs. Northern religion. The North had virtually almost any religion- the main one, though, was Unitarianism. In contrast, the South was had many biblically sound churches. We're aren't called the Bible Belt for nothing."
Slide 27 -- "...These camps are the only source of the true Southron history that many will ever see; my generation cannot and will not get the true history from their school, the TV, radio, or from our culture...If the younger generation isn't taught to carry on the legends and the true history, no one will. Gentlemen, we must keep the legends and the true history continuing, not only so they aren't lost, but also to keep the government off the Bible. The Federals can't destroy the Bible as long as the Confederacy is still strong."

I'm sure the participants at the Sam Davis youth camps would have many of your reservations about a summer camp in the North with the focus on the 'Civil War.' The purpose of the Sam Davis camps is to emphasize Southern culture and counter Northern myths about the War for Southern Independence. I don't know if the SUV, or some other northern group, have anything similar to the Sam Davis camps, but I do know, if they do, it would reflect their points of view.

"To speak positively about any part of the Southern tradition is to invite charges of being a racist and an apologist for slavery and segregation. We are witnessing a cultural and political atrocity - an increasingly successful campaign by the media and an academic elite to strip young white Southerners ... of their heritage, and, therefore, of their identity. They are being taught to forget their forebears or to remember them with shame. Still, we may doubt that many young Southerners believe that Jefferson Davis and Alexander Stephens, John C. Calhoun and James Henley Thornwell, Robert E. Lee and Stonewall Jackson were other than admirable men. It is one thing to silence people, another to convince them. And to silence them on matters central to their self-respect and dignity is to play a dangerous game - to build up in their harsh resentments that, sooner or later, are likely to explode and bring out their worst."

Eugene Genovese
 

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