Civil War Revisionism

[YankeeDoodle]

It doesnt get much dumber than posts like this from those trying to put lipstick on a pig and claim the Slave Power represented Christianity.. Here are some of the reasons given for the CW by some revisionist who obviously longs for the good old days of the Slave holding South..

https://www.facebook.com/jkingantiquearms/posts/10205478098326207:0





3. CHRISTIANITY VERSUS SECULAR HUMANISM

The South believed in basic Christianity as presented in the Holy Bible. The North had many Secular Humanists (atheists, transcendentalists and non-Christians). Southerners were afraid of what kind of country America might become if the North had its way. Secular Humanism is the belief that there is no God and that man, science and government can solve all problems. This philosophy advocates human rather than religious values. Reference: Frank Conner's book "The South under Siege 1830-2000."
***edit by Lnwlf***

They also post this

The Confederate flag is the last flag to represent the concept of local control of ones' life in America. In a larger sense it represents the same values and principles as the original U.S. Betsy Ross Flag: Limited Constitutional Federal Government, States Rights, Resistance to Tyranny, and Christian Principles and Values. Thus it represents "government of the people, by the people, and for the people with the consent of the governed".
The Confederate flag is an internationally recognized symbol of resistance to tyranny. That is why it was flying over the Berlin Wall when it was being torn down in 1989 and has been flown by numerous countries or provinces seeking independence.
It reminds knowledgeable Americans that government is to be held accountable for its actions, and if those actions are viewed as not being in the best interest of the people, there is a price to be paid for it. This fact has not been lost upon the Socialist, Communist, liberal left and that is why they have spent inordinate amounts of money and energy trying to suppress this powerful symbol of freedom. The Confederate battle flag is a Christian symbol and that is why proponents of Secular Humanism (the belief that there is no God and man, science, and government can solve all problems) oppose it.

It doesnt get much dumber than this!

 

[John Hartwell]

It doesnt get much dumber than this!

Nor more deeply ignorant.

 

[MajGenl.Meade]

The Confederate battle flag is a Christian symbol

Er... no, it is not. As a Christian fundamentalist myself (and I'm not sure if I represent the 'fun' or the 'mental' in that word... or both) this makes me feel quite ill. But let us not get too involved in discussions like the one this author is seeking to provoke. Cleburne was quite correct - but of course the context was that of his plea to give up slavery rather than to become a slave. He saw, and it can be argued as to how strongly he saw, that slavery was wrong and it should be given up entirely in order to preserve what he thought was the real cause - that of freedom. Evidently he saw the irony.

 

[ole]

I'll suppose the slaveholder really thought that he was doing the black man a favor by exposing him to Salvation via Christianity, but I doubt it.

It just doesn't sound right.

 

[brass napoleon]

Gee, do we really have to go to facebook to find Lost Cause balderdash?

 

[James B White]

The South believed in basic Christianity as presented in the Holy Bible.

This is true. The problem is that the north did too.

The Confederate flag is the last flag to represent the concept of local control of ones' life in America. In a larger sense it represents the same values and principles as the original U.S. Betsy Ross Flag: Limited Constitutional Federal Government, States Rights, Resistance to Tyranny, and Christian Principles and Values. Thus it represents "government of the people, by the people, and for the people with the consent of the governed".

All through there, they need to be more precise: white people's local control, white people's resistance to tyranny, government of the white people, etc. Maybe even white men.

Er... no, it is not.

That brings up the question... do the vast majority of Confederate flag supporters today self-identify as Christian? How many identify as something else (atheist, agnostic, Hindu, Muslim, etc.)? One could say it's not a symbol of Christianity, but it's a symbol of a highly-Christian group. (I mean highly in numbers.)

 

[YankeeDoodle]

Dont you love this..

The Confederate flag is an internationally recognized symbol of resistance to tyranny. That is why it was flying over the Berlin Wall when it was being torn down in 1989


Where ***edited by Lnwlf*** did he get this info? What did he pull it out of?? ... And dont you just know that even if he were shown this is false he would still believe it or something like it..

 

[ole]

The entire thing reveals the very human propensity to view things as God-Given.

Oh yes. Slavery was God-Given.

The tendency is to find the thing that makes you right with the Lord.

So we're doing God's work by teaching them Christian values by working.

Somehow, I can't resist saying pish-tosh.

 

[MajGenl.Meade]

With due respect, Mr. White, in the USA, let alone the entire world, it's more than probable that a larger number of car drivers (than Confederate flag supporters) self-identify as Christians - but that doesn't make the car a symbol of Christianity. (Except for a Honda model of course - the disciples were in one accord). The KKK burning an actual cross does not serve as a symbol indicating that they are Christian - rather the opposite in fact. But let's not argue religion here. It should suffice to simply say that the Rebel flag is not and never has been a symbol of the Christian religion.

 

[ole]

Dont you love this..

The Confederate flag is an internationally recognized symbol of resistance to tyranny. That is why it was flying over the Berlin Wall when it was being torn down in 1989


Where ***edited by Lnwlf*** did he get this info? What did he pull it out of?? ... And dont you just know that even if he were shown this is false he would still believe it or something like it..

Do not ever underestimate the delusions you might find in here.

 

[rhettbutler1865]

Gee, do we really have to go to facebook to find Lost Cause balderdash?

And are we into another thread about individuals' views on religion? Please say it isn't so...

 

[rhettbutler1865]

IMO, there should be a separate "discussion/chat/whatever-you-want-to-call-it" room for the religious zealots. I joined here to learn about the Civil War, not participate in Bible study. Sorry, but enough is enough.

 

[James B White]

The KKK burning an actual cross does not serve as a symbol indicating that they are Christian - rather the opposite in fact.

I believe cross-burning was a 20th century phenomenon, long-after the original incarnation of the Klan, but I disagree: The cross-burning Klan was a self-proclaimed Christian organization. I accept anyone who says they're Christian as Christian; otherwise one winds up judging who's the "true Scotsman."

This puts a new spin on an old debate, though. If folks say the Confederate flag stands for the sacrifice of the common CS soldier, or for the non-racist heritage of southern life, or for harmless Dukes of Hazard-style rebellion, and not for racism or segregation, such folks generally ask to be believed. Whatever they say the flag stands for to them, we're supposed to accept it.

This group says the flag stands for Christian values, among other things. That's apparently what it stand for, to them. One can claim those aren't one's own Christian values, or it's not a widespread belief (I'd argue it was in the 1860s), but that's what they say it symbolizes to them.

IMO, there should be a separate "discussion/chat/whatever-you-want-to-call-it" room for the religious zealots. I joined here to learn about the Civil War, not participate in Bible study. Sorry, but enough is enough.

Feel free to report any of my posts you feel violate the rules.

 

[Dave Wilma]

We are repeating Facebook posts? I have a couple with my grand kids.

 

[E_just_E]

I see you, and I raise you.

Here.

 

[thomas aagaard]

***edited by Lnwlf*** that text. He clearly never read the CSA Constitution.

It was not the Liberals who "falsely indoctrinated many black Americans to believe the CBF represents racism, "... the KKK did that very well on their own.

I accept anyone who says they're Christian as Christian; otherwise one winds up judging who's the "true Scotsman."

There are many, many versions of Christianity...
But I do call BS on anyone who say they are a christian and condone the lynching and hanging of a person just because he happen to have the "wrong" skin color.

 

[JerseyBart]

I see you, and I raise you.

Here.

James King and the commenters below his article need to read southern secession convention documents, quotes etc. and the southern constitution. Both mention slavery a "few" times. Maybe they should read an 1860-61 events' timeline to see who did what first and when. They'd be surprised...or ignore it so they could feel better about themselves.

 

[YankeeDoodle]

IMO, there should be a separate "discussion/chat/whatever-you-want-to-call-it" room for the religious zealots. I joined here to learn about the Civil War, not participate in Bible study. Sorry, but enough is enough.

Well this is a Civil War related issue and religion was a part of it...

 

[John Hartwell]

Well this is a Civil War related issue and religion was a part of it...

But, not our opinions today on what/who is/was Christian.

 

[CSA Today]

I'll suppose the slaveholder really thought that he was doing the black man a favor by exposing him to Salvation via Christianity, but I doubt it.

It just doesn't sound right.

The "White Man's Burden" seems more apropos.