Civil war or post?

[1867crete]

Hello new to the site wanted some opinions! Some one with state militia experience or general uniform knowledge! Are these cats civil war or post? If not cw I believe very soon after!? Thoughts!?

 

[Albert Sailhorst]

Howdy and Welcome!

 

[AndyHall]

I believe those may be British troops, perhaps from Canada. It might be possible to identify the regiment based on the uniform details, that varied from unit to unit.

See:

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http://civilwartalk.com/threads/bri...t-at-niagara-falls-canada-c-1856-1862.113596/

 

[TerryB]

Welcome aboard. I think Andy Hall is onto something.

 

[1867crete]

Yes some resemblance! I have a cdv of a New York militiaman that is almost identical to these boys..... I'm still under the impression of US state militia !? Thanks for the reply I like the look of those uniforms of the pic you posted! you can tell they did there homework!!!!

 

[major bill]

Interesting answers. I will get a better look tonight when I can see this on something other than a phone. My first question is, can anyone a ID the weapons?

 

[Story]

Interesting answers. I will get a better look tonight when I can see this on something other than a phone. My first question is, can anyone a ID the weapons?

First glance, they look like Remington Rolling Blocks. The New York National Guard was issued a very specific .50-70 "New York" style Rolling Block rifle.

 

[Story]

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I believe those may be British troops, perhaps from Canada. It might be possible to identify the regiment based on the uniform details, that varied from unit to unit.

In the OP's pic the shako emblems are six pointed, whereas those Canadians have seven-pointers (7th at 6 o'clock position). Also note that the majority of the Canadians have those snake-type belt buckles, where's OP's men have plate-style buckles.
Note this 71st N.Y.N.G. shako has upper and lower leather bands, which the OP's guys' do not.

1. I can't locate a photo online of a Remington Rolling Block rifle taken from below (so as to compare profiles).
2. They could also be Snider Enfields, but we should be able to see a hammer if they were.

 

[major bill]

To me they appear to be post Civil War militia. Their jackets are not of the normal British style but appear to be a militia version of the 1872-pattern enlisted dress coat (almost copies of the 1872 pattern coat but the collars are too short.). Their caps appear to be 1872-pattern dress caps or a militia version of this cap.

 

[major bill]

The pattern 1872 uniform, this one is an engineer. Note the similarity, but the image in this thread has no piping down the front of the coat and the collars are shorter. Also the men in this thread's image have stripes on their trousers. Not the color piping around the top of the cap.

 

[1867crete]

Thanks all I have enjoy the discussion incredibly! excaltly why I joined!

 

[DixieRifles]

I believe those may be British troops, perhaps from Canada

Dont omit possibility of Australian troops.

And welcome.

 

[Story]

Dont omit possibility of Australian troops.

Wouldn't any Commonwealth troops have Crown doo-dads on their shako plates?

 

[Eagle eye]

In the OP's pic the shako emblems are six pointed, whereas those Canadians have seven-pointers (7th at 6 o'clock position).

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7 point because there appears to be a crown in the 12 o'clock position ?
I've never seen a crown on any USA military uniform which (if I'm not mistaken) would rule out any US troops but I'm no expert … just using a little logic which may or may not be accurate.
I would bet a very small amount of liquid refreshment that those are British Empire issue of some sort & you'll have to come to Indiana if you take my bet & win.

 

[Story]

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7 point because there appears to be a crown in the 12 o'clock position ?
I've never seen a crown on any USA military uniform which (if I'm not mistaken) would rule out any US troops but I'm no expert … just using a little logic which may or may not be accurate.
I would bet a very small amount of liquid refreshment that those are British Empire issue of some sort & you'll have to come to Indiana if you take my bet & win.

The original pic has six points and no crowns.
Andy's Canadians have seven points and a crown.
Feel free to drink my drink for me.

 

[Eagle eye]

The original pic has six points and no crowns.
Andy's Canadians have seven points and a crown.
Feel free to drink my drink for me.

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You win! What's your poison?
I don't drink spirits often but when I do I try to make it topshelf stuff.
I can wait if you have any plans to drive around Southern Lake Michigan. It's called the Michiana Region of Indiana.
Got a great firearms museum that is loaded with pistols & long weapons of which many are ACW era including my personal favorite a beautiful LaMotte pistol ala Jeb Stuart
By the way… thanks for getting me squared away on the pictures.