What is this? Civil War cannon?

[USS ALASKA]

Can anyone ID this cannon please?

Scout decides to repair Civil War cannon as Eagle Scout project
Patti Slaughter
Jeffersonian Democrat Assistant Editor
Jul 11, 2024

BROOKVILLE — The old Civil War cannon on the Jefferson County courthouse lawn will soon receive some much-needed repairs, thanks to Lance Spencer, a member of Boy Scout Troop 64. Spencer outlined his plans to repair the cannon for the Jefferson County commissioners at their meeting Tuesday morning. "My proposal is to make new hubs and brake shoes" for the cannon as his Eagle Scout project.

Full article with pic of cannon here - https://www.thecourierexpress.com/t...cle_40143280-3f91-11ef-b723-cfa3c2cb3cb4.html

I THINK I know where it is located but can't find any listings for it or other close-up photos other than the one in the article.

Not sure what it is...

Cropped photo from article.

Thanks for the help,
USS ALASKA

 

[JackADriscoll]

That's a WW1 German howitzer

 

[Jim in Wisconsin]

I don't know anything about that gun, but that sure is a beautiful building!

 

[W Charles Young]

I live 88 miles from there. I never saw it before. I did find these pictures. I found only one description. It said "a heavy caliber Civil War cannon." IMHO I think not.

 

[Jim in Wisconsin]

The first thing Lance should do is learn exactly what the gun is and it's history - how and why it got there. If the hubs are deteriorating, that would be good to fix so at least it doesn't collapse.

 

[Dan Kohli]

It definitely does not appear to be a Civil War cannon. I'd have to agree that it looks a good deal more like a WW I artillery piece.

 

[USS ALASKA]

I live 88 miles from there. I never saw it before. I did find these pictures.

Sir, I bow to your superior Google-Fu!

Thanks,
USS ALASKA

 

[USS ALASKA]

I don't know anything about that gun, but that sure is a beautiful building!

Indeed sir...

As the winner of the 2010 Initiative Award for Public Stewardship by Preservation Pennsylvania, the Jefferson County Courthouse is located in the Brookville Historic Town Square. Dedicated in 1869 the courthouse was the second courthouse since 1830 and a major renovation in 1926 demolished the county jail and added the west wing. In 2009, Crabtree, Rohrbaugh & Associates worked with county commissioners in an effort to restore the structure and modernize the facility to today's standards. The renovations to the interior of the courthouse included reconfiguring office space and public space upgrades, including restoring marble-lined corridors and entrances. Exterior renovations included substantial masonry, stone and wood detailing, and extensive bell tower repairs.

Jefferson County Courthouse - Crabtree, Rohrbaugh & Associates

As the winner of the 2010 Initiative Award for Public Stewardship by Preservation Pennsylvania, the Jefferson County Courthouse is located in the Brookville Historic Town Square. Dedicated in 1869 the courthouse was the second courthouse since 1830 and a major renovation in 1926 demolished the...

www.cra-architects.com

Description: The building faces south and is a two story red colored brick and stone structure. The building is located on landscaped grounds in the center of Brookville. The south front has a projecting center section with arched entrance on the first story and three high arched windows on the second story. Above is a pediment and a large square clock tower with cupola at the top. The roof line is flat. In 1927, the north section was built. The architect was Emmett E Bailey and the contractor was R H Richardson. The building was renovated in 1976. The architect was William L Snyder Jr.

History: The county was created in 1830 and Brookville was selected as the county seat. The court first met at the home of John Doherty. The first courthouse was a two story Greek Revival structure built by Thomas McElhany Barr and John Lucas in 1830 to 1832 at a cost of $3,000. The jail was built in 1831. The second and present courthouse was constructed in 1866 to 1868.

Site with great pics - https://courthouses.co/us-states/o-u/pennsylvania/jefferson-county/

Cheers,
USS ALASKA

 

[Story]

15 cm sFH 93 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Story]

The first thing Lance should do is learn exactly what the gun is and it's history - how and why it got there.

Lance Spencer needs to consult Ralph Lovett, the current expert on restoring German WWI artillery.

German Field and Foot Artillery in the Lovett Collection

Lovett Artillery Collection, Parrott 10 Pounder (American Civil War), gun, cannon, kanone, and mountain guns.

www.lovettartillery.com

@USS ALASKA if you're advising this scout, PM me.

15cm. s.F.H.1893

Lovett Artillery Collection, 10cm Kanone 1917, gun, cannon, kanone, and mountain guns.

www.lovettartillery.com

Lovett Artillery - 15cm. schwere Feldhaubitze (15c. s.F.H. 1893)

Lovett Artillery Collection, 15cm. schwere Feldhaubitze (15c. s.F.H. 1893), gun, cannon, kanone, and mountain guns.

www.lovettartillery.com

Note - similar projects

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Shelby museum to restore three WWI German cannons

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www.wdam.com

 

[rebelatsea]

I can't see clearly, but that looks like a Krupp sliding wedge breech, in which case it could be anything from around 1870 ish up to WWI. It's rifled and definitely a howitzer.

 

[redbob]

That's what I saw, that it appears to have a breech block and while it's not Civil War, it's still a very worthwhile project.

 

[Rhea Cole]

Nice detective work everyone. Next question:

Why are they on display there? Are they war trophies? Where did these ugly brutes come from?

 

[Story]

Nice detective work everyone. Next question:

Why are they on display there? Are they war trophies? Where did these ugly brutes come from?

@USS ALASKA s courthouse gun - like most surviving German WWI ordnance, was one of the war prizes given out by our government from like 1919 to 1921ish. What makes the WW1 guns rare was that many did not survive the scrap drives of WW2.

That said, there's probably mention of when this first came to the Jefferson County court house in a paper, so a newspapers.com deep dive would be prudent.

 

[Story]

I can't see clearly, but that looks like a Krupp sliding wedge breech, in which case it could be anything from around 1870 ish up to WWI. It's rifled and definitely a howitzer.

The definitive answer is given right above your post, in my two posts.

 

[redbob]

@USS ALASKA s courthouse gun - like most surviving German WWI ordnance, was one of the war prizes given out by our government from like 1919 to 1921ish. What makes the WW1 guns rare was that many did not survive the scrap drives of WW2.

That said, there's probably mention of when this first came to the Jefferson County court house in a paper, so a newspapers.com deep dive would be prudent.

You never know what will show up or where, we had a German 88 in front of our Marine Corps Reserve Center.

 

[Story]

You never know what will show up or where, we had a German 88 in front of our Marine Corps Reserve Center.

*We* like to drag trophies home. I know a Renault six ton tank was retrieved from Afghanistan.

At a personal level I tried to get the Battalion Commander to let me bring home a 3.7" Mountain Howitzer (pre-WW2 British) from Iraq, would have been too easy - knockdown design that'd fit on seven mules could have easily been stuffed into one of our returning conexs.

But noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo - he dilly-dallied so the only thing I could get for the Battalion Museum was an ex-Iraqi prison guard K98 Mauser (and that had to be welded up). The paperwork [that *I* had to do] for the J.A.G. was literally 1" thick.

 

[JackADriscoll]

*We* like to drag trophies home. I know a Renault six ton tank was retrieved from Afghanistan.

At a personal level I tried to get the Battalion Commander to let me bring home a 3.7" Mountain Howitzer (pre-WW2 British) from Iraq, would have been too easy - knockdown design that'd fit on seven mules could have easily been stuffed into one of our returning conexs.

But noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo - he dilly-dallied so the only thing I could get for the Battalion Museum was an ex-Iraqi prison guard K98 Mauser (and that had to be welded up). The paperwork for the J.A.G. was literally 1" thick.

Couple people putting grenades in their pelicans ruined it for everyone

 

[Story]

Couple people putting grenades in their pelicans ruined it for everyone

MmmmHmmmm

For those unfamiliar, the joke is that the tank in question is a very accurately illustrated T55/Type 59 used by the Iraqi Army.

 

[redbob]

MmmmHmmmm

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For those unfamiliar, the jokes is that the tank in question is a very accurately illustrated T55/Type 59 used by the Iraqi Army.

I have that Doonesberry cartoon on my wall to remind me of old times.