Insignia Captain's Hat Pin

[Craigis]

Hello everyone!

I came across a box of items belonging to Orestes B. Twogood, a Horicon, Wisconsin resident who served as a captain in Company D, 10th Wisconsin Infantry Regiment during the Civil War. He was commissioned as a captain with Company C, 1st Wisconsin Infantry Regiment in 1861 and later was transferred to captain of Company D, 10th Wisconsin Infantry Regiment. Twogood resigned in 1863 and died a few months later.

In the box was this hat pin. Would he have worn something like this? Still has traces of blue and red paint on the face. It was wrapped with a ribbon(that disintegrated when I lifted it) that was also around a bunch of his personal papers. Just trying to confirm that this pin/logo could have been used during his service between 1861-1863.

Thank you!!!

 

[Mississippian1861]

Not Civil War. The crossed rifles on it makes it post 1872, feels turn of the century to me.

 

[Craigis]

Not Civil War. The crossed rifles on it makes it post 1872, feels turn of the century to me.

Thanks for the reply!

I can't find any comps anywhere online. Lots that are really close but not quite the same.

 

[Salterr]

Like Mississippian1861 states it's not civil war item. Those crossed rifles took effect in 1875 and the eagle style is of the 1881 variety. However the stars above the eagle creating the great seal is at best 1902 and forward

 

[Salterr]

These are insignia pieces that a captain would wear. Brass insignia is for enlisted men

 

[R. Porter]

Stylistically it reminds me of post 1902. The attachment wires on the back reminds me of pre-1902 insignia. The paint reminds me of civilian patriotic insignia. I don't know if military schools had painted insignia. I also don't know the likelihood that costume companies might provide items with painted insignia. I would look through some Bannerman catalog reprints to see what I could find. I've identified items by doing this in the past.

 

[Craigis]

Thank you to everyone sharing your knowledge with me.

During my research, I have found that O.B. had a brother who fought in some of the Indian Wars in the Pacific Northwest. He died in 1913 so I assume this is related to him in some way. Would love to find out exactly who made it and where it where it would have been displayed. Is it for clothing? A sash? It's 5 3/4" H and 4 1/4" wide.

 

[Salterr]

Stylistically it reminds me of post 1902. The attachment wires on the back reminds me of pre-1902 insignia. The paint reminds me of civilian patriotic insignia. I don't know if military schools had painted insignia. I also don't know the likelihood that costume companies might provide items with painted insignia. I would look through some Bannerman catalog reprints to see what I could find. I've identified items by doing this in the past.

The paint is pretty reminiscent of bannerman's patriotic shako plates for the 1860 French style ones. The originals were not painted

 

[Salterr]

Bannerman painted surplus

 

[Salterr]

Thank you to everyone sharing your knowledge with me.

During my research, I have found that O.B. had a brother who fought in some of the Indian Wars in the Pacific Northwest. He died in 1913 so I assume this is related to him in some way. Would love to find out exactly who made it and where it where it would have been displayed. Is it for clothing? A sash? It's 5 3/4" H and 4 1/4" wide.

The brass insignia is for the 1881 dress helmet

 

[Salterr]

Thank you to everyone sharing your knowledge with me.

During my research, I have found that O.B. had a brother who fought in some of the Indian Wars in the Pacific Northwest. He died in 1913 so I assume this is related to him in some way. Would love to find out exactly who made it and where it where it would have been displayed. Is it for clothing? A sash? It's 5 3/4" H and 4 1/4" wide.

 

[Peace Society]

Having a ribbon makes me think of GAR

 

[bobinwmass]

I'm also thinking perhaps for a military school, created by taking surplus 1881 infantry insignia (which already had a ribbon with E PLURIBUS UNUM in the eagle's beak) and soldering on the larger E PLURIBUS UNUM ribbon with 1902 style cloud. You can see where the separate pieces were soldered together on the back.

 

[Craigis]

This looks like an exact match outside of that ribbon and star cloud. Just need to source where those came from...

 

[Salterr]

This looks like an exact match outside of that ribbon and star cloud. Just need to source where those came from...

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Insignia won't be stamped by a maker like a buckle or accoutrement. You won't be able to trace where it was made or by who made it. Places like Bannermans, stokes Kirk and even SH&G were just the sellers
Not the makers, although the surplus stores did restrike and tinker with pieces.