2nd Manassas Campaign & Battle Maps Needed for Understanding Second Manassas

[Bee]

I found this map on this fantastic thread dealing with the Deep Cut portion of Second Manassas. I realized instantly that attempting to rely on small scale book maps was really hampering my understanding of troop placement/movement, in general. Since this is an entirely new study for me, I feel like I am stumbling around in the dark. I would appreciate it if folks could copy a progressive series of maps that they feel would help my understanding of the campaign and battle of Second Manassas. Comments and insights are also welcomed and appreciated. I would so much appreciate any assistance.

I am currently reading this excellent book:

Next on this list will be this book:

 

[Andrew]

Those are the 2 books to read about that battle. Hennessy also put together a great set of maps as part of his study along with a terrific report on troop movements.

The report can be found here: http://www.npshistory.com/publications/mana/hennessy-1985.pdf

The maps can be found here: https://www.loc.gov/resource/g3884mm.gcw1038000/?st=gallery (For some reason they are not downloading for me at the moment.)

If only every campaign had these resources.

 

[War Horse]

In order to completely understand the battle. Both books are highly recommended. Good thread.

 

[Bee]

Those are the 2 books to read about that battle. Hennessy also put together a great set of maps as part of his study along with a terrific report on troop movements.

The report can be found here: http://www.npshistory.com/publications/mana/hennessy-1985.pdf

The maps can be found here: https://www.loc.gov/resource/g3884mm.gcw1038000/?st=gallery (For some reason they are not downloading for me at the moment.)

If only every campaign had these resources.

OMGI did not know about the supplemental info -- THANK YOU!

 

[Bee]

In order to completely understand the battle. Both books are highly recommended. Good thread.

It was you who recommended them

 

[War Horse]

It was you who recommended them

 

[War Horse]

Ok, let's start from the beginning. Pope totally ignores the arrival of the 1st Corps. A mistake that possibly could have resulted in the total victory the Confederates needed. (The only real opportunity that actually ever truly manifested itself) If it were not for the gallant efforts of the Zouaves. The Union could have been totally defeated. Awe, but for the Zouaves.

 

[War Horse]

I found this map on this fantastic thread dealing with the Deep Cut portion of Second Manassas. I realized instantly that attempting to rely on small scale book maps was really hampering my understanding of troop placement/movement, in general. Since this is an entirely new study for me, I feel like I am stumbling around in the dark. I would appreciate it if folks could copy a progressive series of maps that they feel would help my understanding of the campaign and battle of Second Manassas. Comments and insights are also welcomed and appreciated. I would so much appreciate any assistance.

I am currently reading this excellent book:

Next on this list will be this book:

Actually, that's an excellent battle map.

 

[Bee]

Ok, let's start from the beginning. Pope totally ignores the arrival of the 1st Corps. A mistake that possibly could have resulted in the total victory the Confederates needed. (The only real opportunity that actually ever truly manifested itself) If it were not for the gallant efforts of the Zouaves. The Union could have been totally defeated. Awe, but for the Zouaves.

This would be Longstreet arriving through Thoroughfare Gap?

 

[War Horse]

This would be Longstreet arriving through Thoroughfare Gap?

Yes, and totally being ignored by Pope, who was fixated on Jackson.

 

[War Horse]

This would be Longstreet arriving through Thoroughfare Gap?

Not only was Longstreet ignored. The AOP actually believed Jackson was retreating. A perfect receipt for disaster. It's a time when one man may have actually have saved the day.

 

[infomanpa]

Too bad that Bradley Gottfried only did a map book for the First Bull Run battle. Time lapse is always the problem with battle maps. That's why I believe that good animations are a key to understanding.

 

[Patrick H]

I wish I could help you, Bee. You and I both know that I am ignorant of most of what happened East of the Mississippi.

 

[Bee]

Yes, and totally being ignored by Pope, who was fixated on Jackson.

Hennessy has done a very good job of hammering this point into our heads very early on. He says that it was a real concern for both Lee and Jackson that the weakness in their plan to split the Army was if they were permanently cut off from each other. He than goes to identify Thoroughfare Gap as just the place to accomplish this. I am at the point where too little too late proves futile, and now the ANV will be reunited as planned.

 

[Bee]

I wish I could help you, Bee. You and I both know that I am ignorant of most of what happened East of the Mississippi.

That's okay: you and @Booner and the others have been extremely helpful in bringing me up to speed in the Border War

 

[Bee]

I thought it would be amusing to show how I read and highlight important points on the page:

 

[War Horse]

Hennessy has done a very good job of hammering this point into our heads very early on. He says that it was a real concern for both Lee and Jackson that the weakness in their plan to split the Army was if they were permanently cut off from each other. He than goes to identify as Thoroughfare Gap as just the place to accomplish this. I am at the point where too little too late proves futile, and now the ANV will be reunited as planned.

It was the AOP who risked dividing their army. Hood's advance was potentially devastating. Saved by one battery. A battery that wouldn't have been situated to halt Hood's advance hadn't it been for a Zouave who recrossed Young's branch and warned Hazlett of the impending danger.

 

[War Horse]

There would have been no stopping Hood otherwise.

 

[cash]

I thought it would be amusing to show how I read and highlight important points on the page:

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In one's study of the Second Manassas Campaign, one may come across a rather dated account from Edward Stackpole called From Cedar Mountain to Antietam. The book is pretty good, especially the Second Edition, which was revised and updated by Scott Hartwig, one of my favorite historians. It's a valuable book, reviewed here:

https://studycivilwar.wordpress.com/2017/04/26/from-cedar-mountain-to-antietam/

Those with a sense of humor reading the book will come across a chapter with a rather unfortunate title:

 

[Bee]

In one's study of the Second Manassas Campaign, one may come across a rather dated account from Edward Stackpole called From Cedar Mountain to Antietam. The book is pretty good, especially the Second Edition, which was revised and updated by Scott Hartwig, one of my favorite historians. It's a valuable book, reviewed here:

https://studycivilwar.wordpress.com/2017/04/26/from-cedar-mountain-to-antietam/

Those with a sense of humor reading the book will come across a chapter with a rather unfortunate title:

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OMG!!!!!! *proceeds to clean up splattered screen*