Before Plastic - The Toys

[donna]

Allie Never heard of those dolls. You have other information on them?

 

[bankerpapaw]

Enjoyed seeing your pictures of old toys. Thanks.

 

[Allie]

Allie Never heard of those dolls. You have other information on them?

I'm not really a porcelain doll expert, more an admirer from afar - I can't afford the kind of big money these dolls go for, but I have several collectors' books. Which I can't find.

Wikipedia mentions Jumeau black dolls in 1992, and Bru Jeune among other early manufacturers of black dolls:

Several 19th-century European doll companies preceded American doll companies in manufacturing black dolls. These predecessors include Carl Bergner of Germany, who made a three-faced doll with one face a crying black child and the other two, happier white faces. In 1892, Jumeau of Paris advertised black and mulatto dolls with bisque heads. Gebruder Heubach of Germany made character faces in bisque. Other European doll makers include Bru Jne. & Cie of Paris, Steiner, Danel, Société Française de Fabrication de Bébés et Jouets(S.F.B.J.), and Kestner of Germany.

 

[donna]

Allie thanks for the information. I have two old dolls that my Mother got. One is bisque head and other china head. Have several older Madame Alexander dolls. They are my prize dolls. I gave all the old Barbie's I have to my two granddaughters this past month. They love dolls and take very good care of them. Decided it was time to start giving some of the dolls to them. I also had an old Cinderella doll and Sleeping Beauty doll I gave to them. Will give them some each time as a birthday comes or Christmas.

I love the camel toy. I think he really a nice one to have. Like the old stove toys too. I had an old stove. Gave it to the granddaughter last month too. We went to see them in Florida and I had decided was time to share these old wonderful toys with them. I have enjoyed them for many a year. It is there turn now.

 

[Allie]

Allie thanks for the information. I have two old dolls that my Mother got. One is bisque head and other china head. Have several older Madame Alexander dolls. They are my prize dolls. I gave all the old Barbie's I have to my two granddaughters this past month. They love dolls and take very good care of them. Decided it was time to start giving some of the dolls to them. I also had an old Cinderella doll and Sleeping Beauty doll I gave to them. Will give them some each time as a birthday comes or Christmas.

I love the camel toy. I think he really a nice one to have. Like the old stove toys too. I had an old stove. Gave it to the granddaughter last month too. We went to see them in Florida and I had decided was time to share these old wonderful toys with them. I have enjoyed them for many a year. It is there turn now.

I love old stoves! You're very lucky to have granddaughters who appreciate these things.

My original toys were almost all stolen from a storehouse during a move, which is probably one of the reasons I collect vintage toys today - working through that childhood trauma.

The camel looks fun but I think the pig would terrify most children.

 

[JPK Huson 1863]

I love old stoves! You're very lucky to have granddaughters who appreciate these things.

My original toys were almost all stolen from a storehouse during a move, which is probably one of the reasons I collect vintage toys today - working through that childhood trauma.

The camel looks fun but I think the pig would terrify most children.

That is indeed awful- we lost quite a few things also, never did figure out what became of them although we can guess. There was a marriage, my grandmother died quite young and when my grandfather remarried decades later she just got rid of pretty much anything pertaining to my grandmother. It's a loss, may seem silly to some but it really is something you have to work through. I can see now the woman was just extremely insecure, jealous and probably fighting for her little foothold in the world, makes me able to have some compassion for her. Still- we do have to work through some things, I know. Those old family items represented a grandmother we never knew, little tough.

I'm wondering who thought to have a man riding a sheep?

 

[ami]

I was so excited to find this thread! It is being featured in our Christmas Edition of the newsletter!

 

[donna]

This is a great thread and perfect to be in the Christmas edition. I am sure there are pictures of other old toys that could be posted. Wonder if any old Santa Clauses.

 

[kholland]

Great photos, Annie! I guess those two stoves were the first "not so easy bake oven".

 

[James B White]

I found this basket of toys on the front porch of of the 1850 American Farmhouse at the Museum of Frontier Culture in Staunton VA...
Not really sure what the hoops are for.

Since this old thread got bumped (thank you!) and I missed it first time around... Those look like the hoops for a game I've heard called graces--don't know if that's the most common name. I don't see the sticks in the picture, but you need two players each with two sticks, maybe 18" or 2 feet long, the ends a little sharpened. The first player crosses her sticks in the middle, puts the hoop on, and quickly uncrosses the sticks to fling the hoop toward the other person, who catches it (hopefully) on her sticks, crosses them, and flings it back. It continues as a game of catch, or with informal challenges to catch difficult tosses. You can really get some distance and speed.

 

[rebelatsea]

Please excuse- if I were using the other computer could put more photos in a post. My laptop gets ' jumpy' doing too large a post, no idea why.

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Is it possible that the toy balloon is actually much older than our period, it appears to depict a Montgolfier war balloon of the type proposed to invade England !

 

[donna]

A very interesting site on Victorian Children's Toys and Games is at:

http://www.ushist.com/victorian_toys-and-games.shtml

 

[JPK Huson 1863]

This is a great thread and perfect to be in the Christmas edition. I am sure there are pictures of other old toys that could be posted. Wonder if any old Santa Clauses.

I think we did the old Santas one year- must go dig around! And the Belschnickles. Love Belschnickle- and yes, I think that is not spelled correctly.

 

[JPK Huson 1863]

Is it possible that the toy balloon is actually much older than our period, it appears to depict a Montgolfier war balloon of the type proposed to invade England !

No way! One, more thing to go dig up historically- love this stuff! Thank you, am noting ' proposed ', hence did not think my British History was inclusive of pre-Civil War era attack by air?

 

[JPK Huson 1863]

Since this old thread got bumped (thank you!) and I missed it first time around... Those look like the hoops for a game I've heard called graces--don't know if that's the most common name. I don't see the sticks in the picture, but you need two players each with two sticks, maybe 18" or 2 feet long, the ends a little sharpened. The first player crosses her sticks in the middle, puts the hoop on, and quickly uncrosses the sticks to fling the hoop toward the other person, who catches it (hopefully) on her sticks, crosses them, and flings it back. It continues as a game of catch, or with informal challenges to catch difficult tosses. You can really get some distance and speed.

Never heard of the game, thank you! It would be a little difficult, getting the hang of it, can you imagine? Fun though! Seriously goes to show what can be done without batteries or plastic.

 

[PeterT]

Never heard of the game, thank you! It would be a little difficult, getting the hang of it, can you imagine? Fun though! Seriously goes to show what can be done without batteries or plastic.

Sigh ... Of days gone by.

In the 1960s if we were visiting relatives or friends without games/toys handy, we made a football out of old newspapers tightly bound into a ball/oval shape and tied up with string. We would kick it around until it fell apart and we made another.

 

[rebelatsea]

No way! One, more thing to go dig up historically- love this stuff! Thank you, am noting ' proposed ', hence did not think my British History was inclusive of pre-Civil War era attack by air?

Somewhere in my collection is a copy of a painting depicting Napoleons army crossing the channel, I 'll try to find it.

 

[James B White]

Never heard of the game, thank you! It would be a little difficult, getting the hang of it, can you imagine? Fun though! Seriously goes to show what can be done without batteries or plastic.

I've played it to teach little girls. It's awkward at first, but one can catch on pretty fast, a few minutes. Getting distance and aiming takes longer of course.

 

[jay gale]

wow....some of those are really beautiful. I was particularly struck by some of the wagons and the riverboat. I used to collect the old Matchbox cars when I was a kid, and still have a bunch of them including a set that they released of old vintage cars like the Model T and Stanley runabout. Beautiful models and proudly displayed.

 

[Patrick H]

Love that rolling piggy! Probably would have scared some kiddies, though!

Northern Light was quicker to react than me. I think that rolling pig is kind of creepy in an odd way. Heck...it scares me right now!

But this is a wonderful thread.

I was going to comment on the Studebaker wagon, too, but got beat to the draw. Out at Warm Springs Ranch (breeding farm for the Budweiser Clydesdales) there is an authentic, antique Studebaker beer wagon. Visitors to the farm get to pose there with one of the horses at the end of their tour.