NF Battlefield Detectives: Shiloh

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In order to fight away boredom today I decided to watch the old History Channel's "Battlefield Detectives" episode covering Shiloh. Being someone who is not the most well read on Shiloh I kind of watched it with interest.

I think they had several things wrong, some obvious, others not so obvious:

1. Hornet's Nest archaeology

I found their conclusions on the Hornet's Nest and it being a myth very interesting. But as someone who loves to sit down and listen to stories from old timers, their basing so much on the bullet finds seemed to be something that should be approached with caution as back in the good old days people could, and did go metal detecting on CW battlefields. Thus making their golden egg of evidence seem a little flawed to me on the service.

I'm not disputing their conclusions on the Hornet's Nest, I just think the show could have been a little more thorough in their explanations.

2. Bloody Pond

They spoke in the program as if every soldier after the first day's fight converged on that pond, which I think folly to even think of. The battle was fought right beside the Tennessee River and had creeks in several places. Plus I've always heard Bloody Pond didn't exist as some might think.

3. The Food/Calories aspect of the show

I found this to be very interesting and full of good points, however I also think there was a ton of flaws. First off I think their apparent selection of a test subject was WAY off for their calculations as the guy looked like a body builder, something no soldier on either side of the CW were. I would think that would be basing calculations on a test subject different from the historical soldiers and would consequently be out there, but its a show. Plus their espousing that almost every Confederate solder, (1 in 6) was suffering from scurvy seemed a little out there for many reasons.

Also their saying there was no fruit for Confederates because of people eating it all up in the Fall or it would go bad was equally laughable for many many reasons, biggest one to my mind, cellars. It would also be a double edged sword because that would mean the Union Army would be as ate up with Scurvy and thus in the same condition.

I'm curious what everyone else thinks, I could go on and on, but as I said I'm not the most well read on Shiloh.
 
These points (#1 & 2) are very much open to question especially the fact that "Bloody Pond" has never shown up (as far as I know) in accounts of the participants. As far as #1, I watched for an hour as a West Pointer and an historian argued that the much after the battle accounts could not have been very accurate. As far as #3, the average Civil War soldier was about 5'4" and weighed around 140 pounds or so. Also, their body mass and body fat would be considerably less than today. Just my thoughts.
 
Well come on over in September and we will help you see the terrain which will help with your visit. Look forward to seeing you and Tom again
Regards
David

Had Tom over just yesterday while we scouted a place to do some relic hunting. He informed me he had had some medical problems and is recovering. Kind of came as a shock because I was just hearing of it.

We were planning on being there for sure this May, now we're trying to clear our calendars for September. Hope to see you there!
 
@redbob would love to get the details about that conversation regards the "Hornet' Nest" you mentioned
Regards
David
 
@redbob would love to get the details about that conversation regards the "Hornet' Nest" you mentioned
Regards
David
It was interesting for the first 15 minutes or so and then it degraded into topographical changes, angles of fire, tactics and maneuver and a great many things that were way above my paygrade. The bottom line was don't necessarily believe everything that a person who was there wrote 40 years later when they were trying to make themselves look good and justify their actions.
 
It was interesting for the first 15 minutes or so and then it degraded into topographical changes, angles of fire, tactics and maneuver and a great many things that were way above my paygrade. The bottom line was don't necessarily believe everything that a person who was there wrote 40 years later when they were trying to make themselves look good and justify their actions.
He's a good friend and I could bring him along on the Shiloh trip, but he is a West Point trained Engineer (deeply technical and detailed oriented) and a "Ring Knocker" to the core.
 
In order to fight away boredom today I decided to watch the old History Channel's "Battlefield Detectives" episode covering Shiloh. Being someone who is not the most well read on Shiloh I kind of watched it with interest.

I think they had several things wrong, some obvious, others not so obvious:

1. Hornet's Nest archaeology

I found their conclusions on the Hornet's Nest and it being a myth very interesting. But as someone who loves to sit down and listen to stories from old timers, their basing so much on the bullet finds seemed to be something that should be approached with caution as back in the good old days people could, and did go metal detecting on CW battlefields. Thus making their golden egg of evidence seem a little flawed to me on the service.

I'm not disputing their conclusions on the Hornet's Nest, I just think the show could have been a little more thorough in their explanations.

2. Bloody Pond

They spoke in the program as if every soldier after the first day's fight converged on that pond, which I think folly to even think of. The battle was fought right beside the Tennessee River and had creeks in several places. Plus I've always heard Bloody Pond didn't exist as some might think.

3. The Food/Calories aspect of the show

I found this to be very interesting and full of good points, however I also think there was a ton of flaws. First off I think their apparent selection of a test subject was WAY off for their calculations as the guy looked like a body builder, something no soldier on either side of the CW were. I would think that would be basing calculations on a test subject different from the historical soldiers and would consequently be out there, but its a show. Plus their espousing that almost every Confederate solder, (1 in 6) was suffering from scurvy seemed a little out there for many reasons.

Also their saying there was no fruit for Confederates because of people eating it all up in the Fall or it would go bad was equally laughable for many many reasons, biggest one to my mind, cellars. It would also be a double edged sword because that would mean the Union Army would be as ate up with Scurvy and thus in the same condition.

I'm curious what everyone else thinks, I could go on and on, but as I said I'm not the most well read on Shiloh.
I saw that show. Did they ever stop to consider that the lack of bullets might be because those bullets hit someone or the shots went high? I have a pet peeve with those who try to rewrite history.
 
I have the 1863 adjutant Report State of Iowa, of Shiloh in it they remark on the Hornets Nest, the humming of bullets, and the many assults. How several units escaped. one commented with later experience they would have been able t fight there way out.
 
I saw that show. Did they ever stop to consider that the lack of bullets might be because those bullets hit someone or the shots went high? I have a pet peeve with those who try to rewrite history.

I was kind of looking at in in terms of the field they did they're archaeological work has been pretty picked over in years gone by, thus rendering the results of their dig a bit inconclusive because they don't have a full picture. But men aiming high is a good variable they appear to have ignored.

Also, some history does need to be rewritten. I think the story of the Hornet's Nest might just be something that does need re-writing. The bit from the show that convinced me it might need re-writing was the Park Ranger claiming reports from grave diggers noted a distinct lack of Confederate dead based on the stories put forth by men in the Hornet's Nest.

That to me was an eyebrow raiser that history may have it wrong. I want to see the reports that Park Ranger mentioned now.
 

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