appomatix

[Foosfoos]

im confident i have one of the copies of Terms Of Surrender. Signed by Eli Parker and Edward Moale, Moale delivered a copy to another courthouse 30 miles away. thoughts anyone?

 

[M E Wolf]

This (sideways) presented document, is not in Lt. Col. Ely Parker's handwriting. It is a copy, as shown on the left top corner. Had Colonel Parker scripted it, he would have signed it himself. Please note that it is "Official" though, with Colonel Parker's name, rank and official capacity. This is a copy of the original stipulations most likely given to another officer in a lower staff position than Colonel Parker to write out and distribute to the various commands composing of all US Armies in the area when the Battle of Appomattox commenced.

Further down, it is in red ink that it was for the 24th Army Corps. That is where it is denoted which copy this document was designated for, with the assistant adjutant-general signing as in 'receipt' of the stipulations.

It still is an important document and has value. It just isn't a direct 'original' of the terms and stipulations of the surrender of the Army of Northern Virginia.

If you "Google" Ely S. Parker's signature -- there will be images of his handwriting/signatures.

Hope this helps.

M. E. Wolf

 

[Foosfoos]

This (sideways) presented document, is not in Lt. Col. Ely Parker's handwriting. It is a copy, as shown on the left top corner. Had Colonel Parker scripted it, he would have signed it himself. Please note that it is "Official" though, with Colonel Parker's name, rank and official capacity. This is a copy of the original stipulations most likely given to another officer in a lower staff position than Colonel Parker to write out and distribute to the various commands composing of all US Armies in the area when the Battle of Appomattox commenced.

Further down, it is in red ink that it was for the 24th Army Corps. That is where it is denoted which copy this document was designated for, with the assistant adjutant-general signing as in 'receipt' of the stipulations.

It still is an important document and has value. It just isn't a direct 'original' of the terms and stipulations of the surrender of the Army of Northern Virginia.

If you "Google" Ely S. Parker's signature -- there will be images of his handwriting/signatures.

Hope this helps.

M. E. Wolf

i have found 3 signatures of Parker. "E" and "S" are same. I can't find one of the "P's" in Parker the same, there all different. Also if you look at the date on the pencil draft you're referring too, dead match. There are also too many similarities in the handwriting and spaces between words. Look at his distinctive "V".

 

[CheathamHill]

Can't be real..it's all written sideways

 

[Foosfoos]

Can't be real..it's all written sideways

don't get it?

 

[MRB1863]

don't get it?

Depends on your orientation.

 

[M E Wolf]

When you have an official order, where there is (signed) - then a scripted signature-- it means that the copy was signed by that particular order. One would have to understand the protocol, or rules set forth in the 1861 Revised Regulations for the Army of the United States, to understand that it is a copy.

It is not the signature of Ely S. Parker!

Using this document, with permission from the owner, M.E. Weyraugh, this order was issued "By Command of" General French, by his Assistant Adjutant-General John M. Norvel. In front of Jno M. Norvel is (sd.= short for signed); and you will see that the entire order is written by one person, probably a member of the staff and or clerk most likely, in the Headquarters staff of the 3rd Army Corps--If the order was signed by the AAG himself, he wouldn't need to put 'sd' in front of it--as his signature would be known. This order is designated as "Official" in red ink, under which the Acting Assistant Adjutant-General's signature is clearly different from the handwriting from the main body of the order....

Continued.....

M. E. Wolf

 

[M E Wolf]

Orders are entered into a "Orders Book." The higher level of command, such as Division and or Corps, the books are then split due to sheer volume of orders coming in and out. There would be several Adjutants assisting the Assistant Adjutant General, and are known by the US Army as "Additional" or "Acting" Assistant Adjutant-General.

This is one page from General Dana's Special Order Book, from which all Special Orders flow--though the margin is in red and too pale to fully appreciate; the reference associated order, be it from a General Order or Special Order of another commanding officer; it is cross referenced in the book. In this case "Special Orders." This also demonstrates where orders are extract-- where it addresses an individual within a much larger order.

You can see at the end of the entry, the Special Order is "By Order Of," Maj. Gen. N. Banks, under that the signature of his Assistant Adjutant General--and signed. Those who come and copy the orders out of this book would record if it was "By Order of" or "By Command"--whose order(s) it was, the Adjutant that documented it.

M. E. Wolf

 

[M E Wolf]

This link...is the Ely S. Parker written document at Appomattox at the McLean House:

http://search.aol.com/aol/imageDeta...gSize=202499&hostName=www.oncoursesystems.com

The document was written on General Grant's official Letterhead -- Headquarters - Armies of the United States.

M. E. Wolf

 

[M E Wolf]

This is totally a written correspondence by Ely S. Parker... to include signature:

http://stampauctionnetwork.com/f/134/134.jpg

Note the capitals...the way the P and T are made, another quirk in Lt. Col. Parker's signature is the small alphabet "k" it is more like a printed capital "K"...


It must be noted, that people didn't print...they wrote in cursive to the style of when they were taught. Rigid structure by the teacher but, by time a person left the teacher's grading on the clarity of their letters and numbers, people put their own 'flourish' onto their writing.

If a person was 18 years old at the beginning of the Civil War, they would have learned their cursive in the late 1840's. Copperplate, Engrosser Script, Running Hand, Business Hand, Old English would have been taught. Printing was mainly for forms and books.

As one can see with this "Statement of Volunteer" - John Pruitt from England originally, in the US as a salesman, is a new recruit to which the Mustering Officer, in this case Captain C. R. Caster wrote the form and John Pruitt's signature is woefully 'elementary' ...crude...rough and barely skilled with a dip pen. This is why anybody with handwriting that was clear was priceless when it came to clerking for a commanding officer on any level.

M. E. Wolf

 

[M E Wolf]

This document:
http://search.aol.com/aol/imageDetails?s_it=imageDetails&q=Appomattox surrender documents&img=http://www.ourdocuments.gov/document_data/document_images/doc_039_big.jpg&v_t=na&host=http://www.ourdocuments.gov/doc.php?doc=39&width=123&height=158&thumbUrl=https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT61pMthGntTAebfEthRJsAC2raxi_HCHzIEnXk_o_nUvQJH9HKGpUnwF8:www.ourdocuments.gov/document_data/document_images/doc_039_big.jpg&b=image?q=A=imageResultsBack&oreq=0f070e00d0474769b22f4ab100954cdd&imgHeight=639&imgWidth=500&imgTitle=click anywhere to view larger&imgSize=52398&hostName=www.ourdocuments.gov

Is unfortunately, mistaken as the document written by Lt. Col. Ely S. Parker. It is the stipulations of the surrender of the Army of Northern Virginia which was laid out by agreement between Generals Lee and Grant. Even in this front page--the writing is definately not Parker's with the exception of the darker insert in the vicinity of " thence"...that is, Parker's review of that copy. The back page, which continues with Number 5 -- is signed by three Union and three Confederate Generals, carrying out the stipulations of the surrender (how it will be conducted). These are more detailed as these six Generals added more clarity, such as turning over wagons and receipts be taken for same, etc., to make it more specific. It was upon these six to which made the transition from combat to parole.

Link to the second page of the stipulations--signatures of the six generals involved and designated personally by Lee and Grant respectively:

http://www.ourdocuments.gov/document_data/document_images/doc_039b_big.jpg

M. E. Wolf

 

[Foosfoos]

This document:
http://search.aol.com/aol/imageDetails?s_it=imageDetails&q=Appomattox surrender documents&img=http://www.ourdocuments.gov/document_data/document_images/doc_039_big.jpg&v_t=na&host=http://www.ourdocuments.gov/doc.php?doc=39&width=123&height=158&thumbUrl=https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT61pMthGntTAebfEthRJsAC2raxi_HCHzIEnXk_o_nUvQJH9HKGpUnwF8:www.ourdocuments.gov/document_data/document_images/doc_039_big.jpg&b=image?q=A=imageResultsBack&oreq=0f070e00d0474769b22f4ab100954cdd&imgHeight=639&imgWidth=500&imgTitle=click anywhere to view larger&imgSize=52398&hostName=www.ourdocuments.gov

Is unfortunately, mistaken as the document written by Lt. Col. Ely S. Parker. It is the stipulations of the surrender of the Army of Northern Virginia which was laid out by agreement between Generals Lee and Grant. Even in this front page--the writing is definately not Parker's with the exception of the darker insert in the vicinity of " thence"...that is, Parker's review of that copy. The back page, which continues with Number 5 -- is signed by three Union and three Confederate Generals, carrying out the stipulations of the surrender (how it will be conducted). These are more detailed as these six Generals added more clarity, such as turning over wagons and receipts be taken for same, etc., to make it more specific. It was upon these six to which made the transition from combat to parole.

Link to the second page of the stipulations--signatures of the six generals involved and designated personally by Lee and Grant respectively:

http://www.ourdocuments.gov/document_data/document_images/doc_039b_big.jpg

M. E. Wolf

you were correct about this copy. The curator of Appommattix confirmed this copy to be Edward Moales copy. Copied from Parkers in the court house April 9th. the curator went further saying this was the only known copy that exists today from being out in the field of battle. Moale was in charge of guarding roads in and out of Appommattix.