An old picture

[For Honor]

Hey all, this is a picture that caught my attention while visiting my grandparents they say he is part of my family. I have no idea what his name is or his history.
Thanks: Knafelc
Ps. Need any more informations ask.

 

[Eagle eye]

Hi…great picture … I'm no expert but this looks to me to be a young PFC around the time if the Spanish-American war.
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[Deleted member 8452]

View attachment 43811 Hey all, this is a picture that caught my attention while visiting my grandparents they say he is part of my family. I have no idea what his name is or his history.
Thanks: Knafelc
Ps. Need any more informations ask.

Looks like the Uniform of a Soldier in the Spanish American War or Philippine American War. His rank could be Private First Class or Corporal, i think he may of been a corporal as there is a faint line in-between each chevron.

It would really help if you knew his name, then you could look up his enlistment.

 

[AndyHall]

Very similar to the first image here:
http://www.westernkyhistory.org/crittenden/musepic.html

 

[Bob Owen]

He is holding a Springfield .45-70 trapdoor rifle and wearing a Model 1894 Mills cartridge belt. Spanish-American war era.

 

[For Honor]

Thanks, yea that does look to be the period, if I could find out what unit he's in it would help.

 

[For Honor]

Found his name, Charles Elbridge Collins.

 

[major bill]

He is holding a Springfield .45-70 trapdoor rifle and wearing a Model 1894 Mills cartridge belt. Spanish-American war era.

Bob although I admit to knowing little about Spanish American War era belts, are you sure of this? I was under the impression that the Model 1894 Mills "C" Closure cartridge belts were dark blue in color. It was my understanding that the Woven Cartridge Belt, Infantry, Double Row "C" Closure, Hurlburt Manufacture, was made of tan web material with three stripes of dark blue. In fact I was lead to believe that the 1894 Hurlburt made "C' Closure and "H" plate Closure cartridge belts could be identified by the tan webbing having three dark blue stripes running around the belt and through the cartridge loops and by having sewn on loops.

Bob, if the Model 1894 Mills "C" Closure belt did come in tan webbing with three dark blue stripes, could you direct me to the location of this information? Again Bob, I am not calling you out on this, and if I am mistaken I will apologize up front. I am basically interested in understanding the Hurlburt made belts and in the future do not want to made a mistake.

Also I believe he is a infantry corporal not a private.

 

[Bonny Blue Flag]

My guess is young Collins might have been born in the early to mid 1880's. That would put his age about late teens or very early 20's.

Do you have his parent's names or place of residence/birth/death?

--BBF

 

[AndyHall]

There are (at least) two Corporal Charles E. Collins-es from that period, one in Co. K, 22nd Kansas Infantry, and one in Co. E, First U.S. Territorial Infantry.

Either of those sound right?

 

[major bill]

He appears to be wearing the Model 1894 16 inch high leggings. For those interested, the Model 1889 leggings were 12 inches high and the Model 1895 leggings were 12 inches high as well. Sometimes the 12 inch high leggings on a short soldier appear to be 16 inches high. You verify the height by measuring the rife, a known height, and use the findings to measure the height of the leggings. You can also use the width of a button as a standard length. Sorry I have way to much time on my hands since I retired.

 

[For Honor]

That side of the family did come from Topeka KS. I believe he was born sept 21, 1875 and died aug 21,1945.

 

[Deleted member 8452]

That side of the family did come from Topeka KS. I believe he was born sept 21, 1875 and died aug 21,1945.

Well he most likely was in the 22nd Kansas Infantry then, as the 1st Territorial Infantry was made up of men from Oklahoma, New Mexico, and Arizona. The 22nd Kansas Infantry was a state side unit and did not see action, never being deployed

My Great Great Grandfather Oliver Morris was also in the 22nd Kansas Infantry, but later got transferred to the U.S. Army Hospital Corp. and got sent to the Philippines and saw service in both the Spanish American and Philippine American Wars, I still have his walking cane he bought in Manila. Apparently some of my family members told me he got Yellow Fever at some time and had to recover from it

Oliver Morris was in Company D.

 

[Brendan]

This is an interesting article on the 22nd Kansas, including details about how poorly supplied they were while marching near Manassas, Virginia:
"After one or two nights of going to bed hungry, getting up a little more hungry and marching a day fairly famished, a crowd of us determined to do a little foraging as our fathers had done before us through that same country."

http://www.kansasguardmuseum.org/dispunit.php?id=31

 

[For Honor]

That was an interesting article, yea it seems they did have a ruff time of it.

 

[Bob Owen]

Bob although I admit to knowing little about Spanish American War era belts, are you sure of this? I was under the impression that the Model 1894 Mills "C" Closure cartridge belts were dark blue in color. It was my understanding that the Woven Cartridge Belt, Infantry, Double Row "C" Closure, Hurlburt Manufacture, was made of tan web material with three stripes of dark blue. In fact I was lead to believe that the 1894 Hurlburt made "C' Closure and "H" plate Closure cartridge belts could be identified by the tan webbing having three dark blue stripes running around the belt and through the cartridge loops and by having sewn on loops.

Bob, if the Model 1894 Mills "C" Closure belt did come in tan webbing with three dark blue stripes, could you direct me to the location of this information? Again Bob, I am not calling you out on this, and if I am mistaken I will apologize up front. I am basically interested in understanding the Hurlburt made belts and in the future do not want to made a mistake.

Also I believe he is a infantry corporal not a private.

I believe that you are correct. I often use the Mills name to all those era types. I should have said "Mills type" as I'm not that expert on the belts. I do collect some but claim to be no expert on the belts. Thanks for the correction.

 

[Bonny Blue Flag]

www.findagrave.com had one entry with a matching name. The date of death is not the same, but the year of birth and place of residence is. Dates can be in error. It's worth a shot.

The cemetery is Mount Vernon Cemetery in Atchison, Kansas. There is no other info provided.



Charles Collins
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Birth: 1875
Death: May 27, 1945
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Burial:
Mount Vernon Cemetery
Atchison
Atchison County
Kansas, USA

Created by: FranzJr
Record added: Jul 01, 2010
Find A Grave Memorial# 54352443
--BBF

 

[major bill]

I believe that you are correct. I often use the Mills name to all those era types. I should have said "Mills type" as I'm not that expert on the belts. I do collect some but claim to be no expert on the belts. Thanks for the correction.

Glad to know I am not the only one who is not an expert. Truth is I know a bit about uniforms, but almost nothing about equipage and weapons. This becomes an issue when I am trying to date a photograph.

OK that does not sound right. For anyone confused, I use to date women, but I never dated photographs.

 

[For Honor]

The 27th could be correct the number is not clear.

 

[For Honor]

Thanks for the help with this photo.