Actual discharge papers!

Keiri

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Sooo I was at my future mother-in-law's house. She was going through her parents' things, and knowing I'm a huge civil war nerd, she put a document she found aside for me. Turns out... well, I almost cried when I saw it. Please excuse the terrible quality of the photo. I don't, and she doesn't, know who this soldier was in relation to her family, if he even was. I told her that it could be worth some money. She said she didn't care and told me to keep it. I... am... well. I shook, let me just say that. I guess I might have a little too much of a problem hehe. It's not about the money. It's about what it is, and what it meant.

So whatcha guys think? Anything special? :)

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These are actually pretty common but that isn't a criticism on its interest. I have one for a thirty-day volunteer from Ohio who basically did nothing. What makes yours more interesting is the service record it documents. It would be even "better" if he was, say, a member of a Wisconsin regiment that belonged to the Iron Brigade that served in the East at battles like Gettysburg and Antietam. But the fact he was wounded in action and died of his wounds adds a little more interest for a collector. Sometimes these have signatures of notable officers which increase their value as autographs, though I don't think that's the case here. It's kind of hard to be sure from the photograph though.
 
Standard issue Federal Army discharge certificate. Not really all that "rare",.... but those that are of notable people or famous units tend to have a higher collector interest and market values.

There may be a Surgeons Disability Certificate somewhere abouts also... a separate document formally notating the reason detailed why he was unfit for further service... and signed by the examining surgeons... usually the prelude for obtaining and being granted a discharge... The discharge mentions the Surgeons Certificate... Both were important documents if the soldier later wanted to file for a pension...
 
Oh no.. his brother is the one who died. This discharge paper was for Adin, who was discharged for chronic diarrhea. That's ok because it isnt about the money. Under the signature is Col. (Cavalry?) St Louis Division. Lewis something is the name, I can't tell from the original though.
 
Not just any discharge, but a medical discharge. It also has a caveat, "No objection to his being re-enlisted is known to exist.* The asterisk is explained: "This sentence will be erased should there be in the conduct or physical condition of the soldier rendering him unfit for the Army." So he could re enlist after his chronic diarrhea cleared up. That was not always a given though, and it often led to a lifetime of suffering for the soldier.
 
Oh no.. his brother is the one who died. This discharge paper was for Adin, who was discharged for chronic diarrhea. That's ok because it isnt about the money. Under the signature is Col. (Cavalry?) St Louis Division. Lewis something is the name, I can't tell from the original though.

translates to; "Colonel Commanding St.Louis Division"

He was likely in hospital in St.Louis, and discharged from there. The subject signing it was likely the facility or district commander at the time.

Side note... I would place the document in a mylar sleeve, to help prevent any further handling or damage..
 
Thanks. On the other side is a stamp of the department of the interior dated September 1868. I'm assuming he had to send it in for his pension. I did see he filed for an invalid pension around then. Poor guy.

She also found something else I didn't share because I assumed it wasn't worth anything. But I think maybe some of you might be interested in seeing it anyway! I will be scanning and properly preserving these, but until then this is the best I can do. Again, no CLUE how she ended up with it. The pertinent bits are - Edward Saxe Post Number 135, name R R C Grantham, born in Fairfield, OH, a clergyman, entered the service in 1864 as a private signal corps and discharged 1865 because of end of war. Dated Wautoma, WI 1885. Signed Chas P Soule, Adjutant, J N P Bird, Post commander.
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They're great. Congrats...I have one somewhere in my junk at school for a guy whose rusty old musket I got to play with. Awesome to hold history in your hands, right?
 
Sooo I was at my future mother-in-law's house. She was going through her parents' things, and knowing I'm a huge civil war nerd, she put a document she found aside for me. Turns out... well, I almost cried when I saw it. Please excuse the terrible quality of the photo. I don't, and she doesn't, know who this soldier was in relation to her family, if he even was. I told her that it could be worth some money. She said she didn't care and told me to keep it. I... am... well. I shook, let me just say that. I guess I might have a little too much of a problem hehe. It's not about the money. It's about what it is, and what it meant.

So whatcha guys think? Anything special? :smile:

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I'm assuming both were at Shiloh ?

Shiloh after battle report:

Reports of Col. David E. Wood, Fourteenth Wisconsin Infantry.

HDQRS. FOURTEENTH WISCONSIN VOLUNTEERS, April 11, 1862.
SIR: I have the honor to report to you the part taken by my command
in the action of the 7th instant.

My men received the fire of the enemy with great credit to themselves,
although it was the first time they had been in action. During the action
my command attacked and took possession of a battery which was
planted in front of the left wing and passed some 50 paces beyond the
battery, when the enemy, by a superior force, caused them to fall back;
they rallied again, and a second time took the guns, which are now upon
the battle-field. The battery is believed to be a Louisiana battery. One
other gun was spiked by First Lieut. George Staley, of Company D;
and Capt. George E. Waldo, Company E, bravely leading on his men,
fell in this attack.

Total killed, 14; total wounded, 73; total missing, 4.+
The officers of my regiment conducted themselves in a very creditable
manner. Lieut. Col. I. E. Messmore rendered valuable service
in the former part of the action, but received a fall from his horse, and
was compelled to leave the field before the action closed. Maj. John
Hancock conducted himself with bravery throughout the action and
rendered very valuable service.

I am, with great respect, your obedient servant,

D. E. WOOD,
Col. Fourteenth Wisconsin Volunteers.

Col. SMITH, Cmdg. Brigade.

__________

DEAR COL.: My circumstances at present prevent me from
making such a detailed report as I could desire
. (Colonel Wood contracted some sort of sickness in Tennessee
and died in June, 1862).

D. E. W.

HDQRS. FOURTEENTH WISCONSIN VOLUNTEERS, April 21, 1862.
Fearing that a former report made by me of the part my command took
in the action of April 7 may have failed to serve the purpose for which
it was intended, owing to the fact that Col. W. S. Smith, who
commanded the brigade with which I acted, had made his report before
I was able to get mine to him, and as I was not properly a part of his
command, I have deemed it proper, even at this date, to make a report
directly to you. At the time of the battle of April 6 my regiment was
stationed Savannah, and had not been assigned to any division. On the
evening of that day a member of your staff, whose name I cannot recall,
came to my camp and told me he would take the responsibility of
ordering me to Pittsburg Landing. I immediately distributed 40 rounds
of cartridge to each man, took what rations we had in camp, and within
one hour of the time of receiving the order was on board a steamer with
730 effective men. We reached Pittsburg Landing at about 10 p. m.,
and, ascending the bluff, remained there till morning. Being unable to
get orders from headquarters during the night, at the request of Col.
W. S. Smith, commanding a brigade in Gen. Crittenden's division,
I agreed to join his command during the day if I failed to get contrary
orders. Not having received any other orders, I proceeded to the field
under his command, and was assigned by him a position on his right,
which, if I understand the formation of our lines, placed me on the
extreme right of our left wing. Soon after we were formed in line of
battle the enemy was discovered in force beyond an open field on our
right, and I deployed Company A, Capt. Ward commanding, as
skirmishers in that direction. As our skirmishers approached the edge of
the field they were fired upon by the enemy's cavalry, who were
concealed by bushes which skirted the field. They returned the fire, and
fell back upon our main body. One of our men was wounded by this
fire. A battery was then placed by Gen. Buell on our right, covering
the open field, and directed to the west, while our line faced to the
south.

Apprehending an attack somewhere near our position, our men were
caused to lie down and await events. Soon after the enemy planted a
battery directly in front of the center of my regiment, concealing their
operations by the undergrowth of timber, at a distance, I should think,
of not over 30 rods from us. Their fire was directed upon the field
officers, who were at that time near together, and had not dismounted,
fortunately doing no damage, their range being too high. A cross-fire
from the battery on our right and also another on our left was opened
on the enemy's battery at the same time. Our line arose, commenced
firing, and advanced, which caused the enemy hastily to withdraw their
battery and fall back. Our line steadily advanced upon the enemy's lines,
causing them to slowly fall back, contesting, however, every inch of the
ground. Their battery had been replanted at the distance of about
three-fourths of a mile from where our line had been formed. Coming
a second time in the vicinity of this battery, which was in a great
measure concealed by the timber, I ordered my regiment to advance and
take it, which they did, Lieut. George Staley spiking one of the
guns and a private spiking another. Capt. Waldo, Company
E, as well as a number of privates, fell at this time. My regiment,
being new, in their excitement advanced some 70 or 80 paces beyond
the battery, and there were repulsed by a superior force of the enemy
and fell back a considerable distance in some disorder, but soon rallied
and advanced with the main line upon the battery, which was then
recaptured and held. The battery referred to I believe was a Louisiana
battery. During the engagement my men several times wavered under
a galling fire, but in each instance rallied promptly, and remained in
their position until the day was won. I then ordered them to rendezvous
at the place where their blankets and haversacks had been left in the
morning, near the Landing.

I herewith send you, as a part of this report, a complete list of the
killed, wounded, and missing.*

Very respectfully, your obedient servant,

D. E. WOOD,
Col. Fourteenth Wisconsin Volunteers.

Maj. Gen. U. S. GRANT.
 
Huh... Usually with regard to Shiloh you hear about skulking out of newness, not *advancing* out of newness. But impressive nonetheless.
 
I should add- He is Adin, and I believe Almer was his brother.


CORNISH, ADIN ENLISTED 9/17/1861 6/12/1862 DISCHARGED JUNE 12, 1862, DISABILITY.

APPLETON 14TH WIS. INFANTRY, CO. A
CORNISH, ALMER ENLISTED 9/16/1861 3/3/1863 WOUNDED CORINTH; DIED MARCH 3, 1863, ST. LOUIS, MISSOURI

APPLETON 14TH WIS. INFANTRY, CO. A

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/f...all&GSdyrel=all&GSob=n&GRid=131281243&df=all&
Keiri-What you have is history and a document of a soldier that was from one of the fighting 100 regiments according to Fox. I believe they had over 114 killed or mortally wounded, which is criteria for the distinction (over 100 battle deaths).

Though it is not worth a whole lot monetarily, it is a testament to a brave soldier. I have many such documents, that I treasure for what and who they represent.

Those that were invalided out of the service or died from disease were every bit as brave as those who died in battle and should not be denigrated. Imagine wanting to fight for your country and state, but laid up in a hospital while your body betrays you, far from home in the company of strangers.

I have a kepi in impeccable shape, only because the owner, Lt. William Patton, 4th Va., died of dysentery just after Bull Run. Was he less brave, did he give his life for his chosen country. Yes there were those who invalided out nefariously.

You have a document to be treasured and researched!
 
Keiri-

So I did a quick search for Adin Cornish, 14th Wisconsin Infantry on the open internet and this popped up from the Oshkosh Public Museum.

Here is a picture of a soldier identified as Adin or Almer Cornish. Interesting that he is wearing a 5 button sack coat.

The link is below.

http://www.oshkoshmuseum.org/Virtual/exhibit3/e30131b.htm

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The museum gives this additional information...

Copyright Oshkosh Public Museum
Description Albumen print on carte de visite stock of Adin or Almer Cornish, Company A, 14th Wisconsin Infantry.
MARKS: Inscribed to, "Lottie Cornish"
Year Range from 1861
Event Civil War
Year range to 1863
Medium Cardstock/Photographic Paper/Ink
Notes Full standing view of either Adin or Almer Cornish. He is leaning on a photographer's prop railing in front of a painted scenic backdrop. He wears a distinctive Wisconsin issue fatigue blouse with five buttons and a forage cap with the letter "A" on top. The Cornish brothers enlisted in Company A, 14th Wisconsin Infantry in September 1861 in Appleton. Almer was wounded at the Battle of Corinth, Mississippi and died March 3, 1863 in St. Louis, Missouri. Adin was discharged June 12, 1862 for disability. In 1885 he was living in Hortonville, in 1895 in Manawa, and does not appear in the 1905 Veteran Census.
Object ID P2001.3.28
Object Name carte de visite
People Cornish, Adin
Cornish, Almer
Print size H=4 W=2 1/2 in
Subjects Civil War
Soldiers
Casualties
Title Adin or Almer Cornish, Company A, 14th Wisconsin Infantry
COPYRIGHT INFORMATION ~ For access to this image, contact [email protected]
 
Contrary to popular belief, 5 button sacks were not that unusual, some were corded with blue piping and served as a multi purpose coat for dress and parade as well as fatigue, while state and federal quartermasters rushed to clothe hundreds of thousands of recruits.

Modern day collectors are of course extremely wary of 5 button sacks as that became US standard fatigue issue in 1872.
 
Keiri...

It is a gift....but it depends on how you look at it in assessing value....

I had a very similar story as well,...so far, the only real difference that I can see is that mine is a soldier's diary, and your's...are discharge papers....

Monetarily?...Oh, I don't know...probably not a whole lot, really....but as a gateway to a potentially amazing adventure, then yes....What value would you put on that?

My opinion?...for what it's worth?...stop trying to put a $ on it.....and Get Diggin', Gal!!...let it take you to wherever...and go from there...
 
Adin was born in 1838, in NY and married Mary Wood in 1877.

Almer was born in 1843, in NY and in 1860 census was living with the Waters family in Dale, Outagamie, WI

There are no "Lotties" in the Cornish family and since Adin married a Mary, could it be possible that Almer married a Charlotte, or Loretta prior to leaving for war?

Just wanted to give you a head start in your search.
 

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