A. P. Hill

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While reading through Robertson's book on A.P. Hill, there seems to be a close friendship with General Lee and spend a great deal of time together. Is this showing a bias by the author or are there others here see it the same way? Remember what Uncle Remus says.
"If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all". :)
 
Lee felt that Hill was "the best division commander with me", but I have never read anything giving Lee's personal feelings (positive or negative) towards Powell Hill.
 
Southland,

I think A P Hill and Lee got to be good friends - Hill was one of his best corps commanders and could be counted on despite some notable failures. He was more willing to risk casualties if it seemed worth it than Longstreet and quicker to understand than Jackson. Jackson was always on the same page with Lee but sometimes he needed to have his instructions very clear. Hill's march up from Harper's Ferry saved Lee's bacon at Antietam - he got a big hug from Lee, which is probably the only time anybody ever got that from him! He was sure glad to see Hill right then... Lee attended the baptism of Hill's new daughter, Lucy Lee, and was her godfather. During the siege at Petersburg, Lee and Hill did get close. So many generals were gone by that time - Stuart and Jackson were dead, Longstreet was wounded, for example. Hill had a lot of compassion and empathy in him. When Jackson was wounded he put a torniquet around his arm and saved him from bleeding to death then put his head in his lap and talked to him until help arrived. Before that he was fixing to shoot him! At Petersburg Lee really needed somebody like that around. Someone - can't remember who - recorded that Lee and Hill would often sit together quietly talking for long periods. Seems maybe it was about more than the business at hand. When Hill was killed the Light Division went with him - Lee blended it into the only two he had left. Certainly it was necessary - the casualties and all were high in the army by then - but maybe it was also a nod to a friend. Hill was its first and last commander.
 
Seems I remember hearing that Lee (and Jackson, for that matter) called for Hill on his deathbed?
 
Seems I remember hearing that Lee (and Jackson, for that matter) called for Hill on his deathbed?

There's some debate on the Lee thing. From what I read, modern doctors think with a stroke it was highly improbable. However, I would think one of the biggest moments in Lee's life might be seeing Hill's Corps arrive at Antietam!
 
Hill did yank a kinda victory out of the jaws of devastation. Lee was being whipped seven ways from Sunday on that day. He was about rounded up and creamed. Until Hill came up. That closed the day.
 
Reading Robertson's book, one can follow along and see how Hill grew in strength as he grew during the war. I really believe he was a better corp commander than anyone else that reported to Lee. Lee didn't have to tell him what to do. Just before he was killed, he was with Lee and heard there was a breakthrough, and told Lee he would take care of it. But for some reason there is not that much written about him.
 
Apparently, I need to learn more about Ambrose Powell Hill. I've been thinking of him as almost a joke. (His VD had something to do with it?) Didn't really notice that he was a corps commander since when the corps became allowable in the CSA. Book recommendations anyone?
 
Name HILL, Ambrose Powell
Born November 9 1825, Culpeper VA
Died April 2 1865, Petersburg VA
Pre-War Profession Graduated West Point 1847, Mexican War, Seminole war, resigned March 1861.
War Service May 1861 Col. of 13th Virginia, February 1862 Brig. Gen., commanded 1st Bde/Longstreet's Divn at Williamsburg, May 1862 Maj. Gen., commanded Hill's Light Division in Longstreet's Command at Seven Days, Cedar Mountain, Second Manassas, Sharpsburg, commanded Hill's Light Divn/II Corps at Chancellorsville, May 1863 Lt. Gen., commanded III Corps at Gettysburg, Bristoe Station, Wilderness, North Anna, Cold Harbor, Petersburg, killed while rallying his troops after their line had been broken.
Notes Although a famous fighter early in the war, he did not perform well after being given Corps command.
Further reading Hassler, William Woods A.P. Hill : Lee's forgotten general Richmond, Garret & Massie 1962

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O.R.-- SERIES I--VOLUME 2 [S# 2] -- CHAPTER IX.
Skirmish at New Creek, W. Va.
No. 2. -- Report of Col. A. P. Hill, Thirteenth Virginia Infantry.
BRIGADE HEADQUARTERS,
Camp David, Va., June 19, 1861.
COLONEL: I have the honor to report that on yesterday I directed Col. J. C. Vaughn, of the Third Tennessee Regiment, to take two companies from his own and two companies from the Thirteenth Virginia Regiment., and at 8 p.m. to proceed to New Creek Depot, eighteen miles west of Cumberland, on the line of the Baltimore and Ohio Railroad, and disperse the force there collected, bring away the two pieces of artillery, and burn the railroad bridges. The directions, I am happy to assure you, were carried out to the letter and the march of thirty-six miles accomplished between 8 p.m. and 12 the next day. Some 250 of the Federal troops, after a slight stand, retired in disorder, with a loss of a few men. The bridge was then burned and Colonel Vaughn retired, bringing with him the two pieces of artillery and a stand of colors.

To Colonel Vaughn and his officers and men I am much indebted for the handsome manner in which my orders were carried out.
Inclosed you will find the report of Colonel Vaughn.
I am, sir, very respectfully, your obedient servant,
A. P. HILL,
Colonel Thirteenth Regiment, Commanding Brigade.
Col. E. K. SMITH,
Assistant Adjutant-General.

O.R.-- SERIES I--VOLUME 5 [S# 5]
Correspondence, Orders, And Returns Relating Specially To Operations In Maryland, Northern Virginia, And West Virginia From August 1, 1861, To March 17, 1862.
CONFEDERATE CORRESPONDENCE, ETC.--#6

HEADQUARTERS DEPARTMENT OF NORTHERN VIRGINIA,
Centreville, February 2, 1862.
General S. COOPER, Adjutant and Inspector General:
SIR: We are beginning to feel the want of the arms recently sent to Richmond under orders from the War Department. One regiment already has 23 men returned from hospital who are without arms. The recruiting directed in General Orders, No. 2, will give us men who cannot be armed unless a part at least of the arms referred to can be returned.

Permit me again to remind the War Department that a division and five brigades (including those of two members of Congress, Senators-elect) are without their proper generals. The great number of colonels and other field officers who are absent sick makes the want of general officers the more felt.
Several of the colonels of this army are well qualified to be brigadier. generals. Besides Cols. A. P.
Hill and Forney, whom I have mentioned before, Colonels Hampton, Winder, Garland, and Mott are fully competent to command brigades.

Host respectfully, your obedient servant,
J. E. JOHNSTON,
General.
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In reading General Hill's reports as a Brigadier-General, he does mention men under his command frequently for their actions, from Privates on up. Reports are very 'general' but, as I've searched through the many reports, I can't identify the "Captain Hill" who is his aide-de-camp. Could be a relative --

Personally, I am of the belief that the mention of "Hill" in the dying minutes of General Robert E. Lee and General "Stonewall" Jackson is specific enough; as General D. H. Hill was also under these two generals at one point -- Further, why a command was given in the dying minutes of either general is also a big assumption and personally believe that the survivors often impose their assumptions into the meaning of the words uttered. I tend only to believe the words spoken as being true, especially with General Jackson as there were many witnesses there. The same with General Lee--there were witnesses of what was said but, the meaning of what was said is often an assumption by the survivors.

The change from Colonel to Brig. General, the reports are from basic, generalized and very little description of the action engaged in other than generalized facts to a more generous amount of details, to me shows growth in writing reports and, perhaps due to his aides and or staff's ability to write a report for a new Brigadier General. But, I appreciate the most the report pointing out special actions by men on the battlefield and their valor.

Just some personal thoughts.

Respectfully submitted for consideration,
M. E. Wolf
 
The rumor running around is that Hill was getting progressively sicker from VD as the war went on and his getting killed, if it wasn't "suicide by combat," at least did him a favor. Just a rumor - no evidenciary support for it that I know of.
 
No there is evidence to support that. Hill was very ill July 1 at Gettysburg and he was so ill during the Overland campaign that Lee had to be the one to make the decision to remove him from Corps command and give it to Early (i think). When Hill came back Early then took over the II corps.

I think Lee liked Hill because Hill was a heavy hitter much like Stonewall had been, so he viewed Hill as the closest commander he had in style to Stonewall after his death. Hill's record as a divisional commander in the ANV was probably the best of anyone during the course of the war.
 
Somewhere, rattling around in the archives, is a thread dealing with Hill's "illness." If someone more capable than I am would resurrect that, I'd appreciate it.

What? You figure that, as a mod, I ought to be able to do that? Think again.
 
Many thanks, Old Bay. I knew it was there somewhere, but I'm totally inept in finding same.
 
Yeah, we discussed the impossibility of Hill committing "suicide by combat" in that earlier thread. No way, IMHO. Plus he just wasn't the kind of guy to do that (and he'd left his wife back at the house and expected to return). He was a total fighter. I've gotten very fond of him over the years. I just think we wasn't as easy to do PR for as Jackson, Lee, and Stuart...not really pretty, not religious, etc......but for sheer fight, I'd probably want him covering my back....
 
As a division commander, he was one of the best. After getting a corps, not so much. Its hard to be effective, even if you have all the talent in the world, with being "sick" (whether he legitmately was, or exaggerated, either way)

Longstreet and Jackson were much better in my opinion
 
As a division commander, he was one of the best. After getting a corps, not so much. Its hard to be effective, even if you have all the talent in the world, with being "sick" (whether he legitmately was, or exaggerated, either way)

Longstreet and Jackson were much better in my opinion

I'm still a Jackson gal....
 
I'm a Longstreet boy, but I'm biased and that's because his nephew or great nephew married my great aunt :)
 

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