A L Hernstein Surgical amputation knife Question

cerick1450

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I have been offered two Civil war era surgical amputation knives both with ebony checkered handles. One is marked A L Hernstein, and the other is Hernstein and Sons. Are both of these civil war era, of post civil war? Not sure if you can tell the age by manufacture mark. Thank you. Sorry, I do not have pictures at this time.
 
Implements marked "Hernstein & Son" are the earlier ones of the two you describe.

Hermann Hernstein started the business in NY in 1846. The earliest implements were marked "H. Hernstein."

His son Albert L Hernstein joined the business in 1861 and the name became "Hernstein & Son." They made surgical and medical implements under contract to the US government from mid-late 1862 to May 1865.

I believe implements marked "A L Hernstein" would be from the post-Civil War period when Hermann's son Albert L Hernstein was operating the business on his own. For more detailed information, see this link https://medicalandsurgicalcollectibles.com/post-mortem-set-made-by-hernstein-son-c-1862-64/
 
Here are a few pictures of the "Hernstein and Son" knife. Is this an amputation knife?
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Here are a few pictures of the "Hernstein and Son" knife. Is this an amputation knife?
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It looks like a double edged knife? In which case it is a Catlin knife which was used in the flap amputation procedure to create the flaps. If it's a single edged knife, it's a Liston knife. Both kinds were used in the amputation procedure - just for different parts of the operation. For what it's worth, I have always wanted a CW period Catlin or Liston knife. :D

The first step in any amputation was to anesthetize the patient. Next a tourniquet was applied or, if the amputation was to be performed at the shoulder or the hip, where a tourniquet wasn't possible, the surgeon assigned an assistant to hold pressure on the artery.

The amputation itself was performed in three basic steps:
1. Incision of the skin.
2. Incision of the muscle.
3. Section of the bone.

Single Edged Liston Knife
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The single edged Liston knife was used for steps 1 and 2. Using Liston amputation knife, the surgeon commences the incision around the limb as follows: "...with the heel of the knife, giving slightly sawing motions, and brings the hand under the limb, and then directly upwards upon the side next to the operator, until the heel touches the point of commencement. The skin is raised from the first layer of muscles by dissection, and drawn upwards, two or three inches, according to the diameter of the limb, like the cuff of a coat."

Next the surgeon needed to perform step 2 to get the muscle back out of the way. The first layer of muscles is divided at the margin of the retracted integument, in the same manner as the incision of the skin is executed; this layer is raised with the knife, and drawn still further upwards; and the last layer of muscles is divided down to the bone by the same sweep of the knife as before given. Then for step 3, the bone was severed using a bone saw.

Then when it came time to close a flap amputation, the surgeon would use the Catlin.

Double Edged Catlin Knife
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If yours is a double edged knife, it is a Catlin which was used in flap amputations to create the flaps that would cover the stump of the amputated limb. The Catlin was also used in excisions where a section of damaged bone was removed and the limb closed with a hope and a prayer that the bone ends would eventually unite.

Lots more info with pictures is available here. The photos are gruesome, but are of a pig not a human patient.

And here's a thread specifically about Catlin knives.

And finally a thread about the surgeon's dilemma - amputation vs. excision
https://civilwartalk.com/threads/surgeons-dilemma-amputation-vs-excision.155907/
 
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Thank you for the detailed information. The knife is double edged, so I assume it means it is a Catlin knife.
Yes. That is correct. If it is double edged, it is a Catlin knife. It would have been used for the more precise work of cutting under to create the flaps of skin needed to cover the stump when a flap amputation was performed. Or for the precision needed in removing sections of damaged/shattered bone when performing an excision. Congratulations on the acquisition of what looks like a fine CW period surgical implement.
 

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