Trivia 8-24-18 Monument & Bonus

[Trivia Master]

Officially, the figure on this regimental monument at Gettysburg does not depict a specific individual because battlefield commission rules prohibited statues to regiments' commanding officers. But this late leader's men honored him, nevertheless, with a likeness that was plain to them. Who was the officer and what regiment included him on its monument?

credit: @LoyaltyOfDogs

Bonus: What was the name of another civilian combatant, who took up arms in defense of his town during the invasion, AND was related to the famous civilian combatant John Burns?

credit: @JPK Huson 1863

 

[hughes]

Officer: William Wells
Regiment: 1st Vermont Cavalry

Edit - Wells commanded a battalion within the 1st Vermont Cavalry, but was not the commanding officer of the regiment.

hoosier

 

[FarawayFriend]

Regular question (and a great one, btw!):
That's the monument for the 83rd Pennsylvania Regimental Monument on Little Round Top, and the officer resembles Strong Vincent a great deal

"Pennsylvania governing board rules prohibited placing the likeness of commanders on regimental monuments, so the statue atop the monument is not identified and, officially, could be any heroic officer of the regiment. But it reportedly looks very much like Strong Vincent."
https://www.flickr.com/photos/22711505@N05/7119539711

 

[Stony]

Augustus van Horne Ellis of the 124th New York Infantry Monument.

bonus-Andrew Hagerman was Burns' brother-in-law.
source-https://civilwartalk.com/threads/ra...n-soldier-piles-hot-lead.148754/#post-1869277

 

[captaindrew]

Bonus: Charles Francis Wheatley

Edit - Wheatley, like Burns, took up arms at Gettysburg, but I can find no source indicating that he was related to Burns. The question didn't say it was asking for someone who took up arms at Gettysburg, but it was very specific in asking for someone who was related to Burns.

hoosier

 

[FarawayFriend]

Bonus:

I think the name we should find is Andrew Hagerman, brother in law to John L. Burns, as @JPK Huson 1863 has told us in her thread about Mrs. John Burns (highlighting by me):
She may or may not have been in mourning, in this photograph. Or may not have heard- her brother, in Hagerstown, had unbelievably, shouldered a musket and gone off to shoot those pesky Rebels. he, too was wounded- and was to die. His name was Andrew Hagerman. Two civilian combatants, one family.
https://civilwartalk.com/threads/mr...ns-of-gettysburgs-very-tough-invasion.139022/

Andrew Hagerman will be my final answer.

But then there is a certain Mrs. Guinn, who did not fight herself, but took up the arms she had at hand: her wash tub, hot soapy water and a cudgel and with these "convincing arguments" urged a cowardly neighbour to join the fighting.
That's the story @JPK Huson 1863 told us in her thread "Mrs. Guinns battle, bearing arms at Gettysburg"
https://civilwartalk.com/threads/mrs-guinns-battle-bearing-arms-at-gettysburg.138192/#post-1639989

I just thought a search for civilian combatants during the invasion should not omit this stout-hearted woman!

 

[HarlechMan]

The officer is Strong Vincent and the monument is the 83rd Pennsylvania's. http://gettysburg.stonesentinels.co...ania/pennsylvania-infantry/83rd-pennsylvania/

 

[HarlechMan]

Bonus:
Andrew Hagerman
http://www.crossroadsofwar.org/research/newspapers/?id=348

 

[Jimklag]

1st question: Col. Strong Vincent on the 83rd Pennsylvania Monument - source

 

[BlueNGrey]

Strong Vincent, 83rd Pennsylvania Infantry Monument
"Pennsylvania governing board rules prohibited placing the likeness of commanders on regimental monuments, so the statue atop the monument is not identified and, officially, could be any heroic officer of the regiment. But it looks very much like Strong Vincent".
http://gettysburg.stonesentinels.co...ania/pennsylvania-infantry/83rd-pennsylvania/

Andrew Hagerman

 

[WJC]

Officially, the figure on this regimental monument at Gettysburg does not depict a specific individual because battlefield commission rules prohibited statues to regiments' commanding officers. But this late leader's men honored him, nevertheless, with a likeness that was plain to them. Who was the officer and what regiment included him on its monument?
credit: @LoyaltyOfDogs

15th Massachusetts Infantry monument, which portrays the image of a soldier carrying a rifle-musket. The soldier bears a striking resemblance to the unit's commander, Colonel George H. Ward.

Bonus: What was the name of another civilian combatant, who took up arms in defense of his town during the invasion, AND was related to the famous civilian combatant John Burns?
credit: @JPK Huson 1863

Andrew Hagerman, John Burns' brother-in-law. Hagerman took up arms to defend his home in Hagerstown, Maryland during the 1863 invasion.

Edit - There is one similarity between the soldier depicted on the 15th Massachusetts' monument and Col. Ward, in that they both had a mustache. There is one striking dissimilarity, in that the soldier is depicted with two sturdy legs. Ward only had one. The other was amputated after the Battle of Ball's Bluff.

https://historicaldigression.com/2015/07/02/15th-massachusetts-infantry-at-gettysburg/

I am unable to find a source to verify that the soldier on the monument bore a likeness to Ward that was plain to the men of the 15th.

hoosier

 

[Jimklag]

Bonus: Andrew Hagerman was Burns' brother-in-law.

 

[Henry Brown]

main: Colonel Charles Henry Smith commanded The First Maine Cavalry Regiment.

bonus : patriot ?

Edit - Col. Smith did, indeed, command the 1st Maine Cavalry, but I am unable to find a source indicating that the soldier mounting the horse was intended to be recognizable as Col. Smith.

hoosier

 

[hughes]

oops ,Bonus: Randolph Johnson

Edit - I searched on "Randolph Johnson and Civil War" and got no results at all, so I can't verify that he would be a correct answer to the bonus question.

hoosier

 

[MC44]

main: Guessing It's Col. Ellis of the 124th NY.

Bonus:

 

[luinrina]

Regular question:
I'm pretty certain that the sought-after monument is the one for the 83rd Pennsylvania Infantry which is located on the south side of Little Round Top near Sykes Avenue. The statue on top officially depicts any officer of that unit but reportedly looks very much like Colonel Strong Vincent (1837 – 1863).
Sources: one, two

I found it strange, though, that while searching for the answer, I found this site where it says that the regimental monument of the 124th New York Infantry portrays a commander of a regiment - namely Colonel Augustus Van Horne Ellis (1827-1863) - which is obviously against the commission rules.


Still searching for the answer to the bonus question. Will be back later - hopefully...

 

[mofederal]

http://gettysburg.stonesentinels.co...ania/pennsylvania-infantry/83rd-pennsylvania/

Colonel Strong Vincent, the 83rd Penn. Infantry Volunteers. Vincent commanded the brigade to which they belonged. The 3rd brigade, 1st Division, 5th Corps. The Penn. Government Board rules prohibited the likeness of an individual on a regimental monument. The likeness is not entirely accurate as Vincent was carrying a riding crop and not holding a sword that day, the crop was a memento from his pregnant wife. Vincent was mortally wounded on that day, July 2 and died 5 days later.

Bonus:

https://www.civilwartalk.com/threads/c-f-wheakley-john-burns-shared-shadow-at-gettysburg.128496/


battleofgettysburgbuff.com/Odds_and_Ends.htm

Charles Francis Weakley (or Wheakley), 21, of Gettysburg fought with the 12 Massachusetts. He was wounded, but survived. He later joined the 13th Penn. Cav. He died in 1864. He was originally identified as J. W. Weakley.

https://scottmingus.wordpress.com/2008/01/05/move-over-john-burns/

" J. W. Weakley survived his wounds. One of eight children of an eccentric indigent mountaineer, the illiterate Weakley later enlisted in the 13th Pennsylvania Cavalry. In November 1864, the unsung Gettysburg hero drowned ignominiously when he suffered an epileptic seizure and fell into in a camp cesspool."
Adapted from Human Interest Stories of the Gettysburg Campaign, Volume 2.

Edit - Wheatley, like Burns, took up arms at Gettysburg, but I can find no source indicating that he was related to Burns. The question didn't say it was asking for someone who took up arms at Gettysburg, but it was very specific in asking for someone who was related to Burns.

hoosier

 

[lelliott19]

Strong Vincent (17 June 1837 – 7 July 1863)
83rd Pennsylvania Infantry http://gettysburg.stonesentinels.co...ania/pennsylvania-infantry/83rd-pennsylvania/

BONUS: To be answered later - maybe.

 

[lelliott19]

BONUS:
Andrew Hagerman, brother of Barbara Hagerman Burns, who was the wife of John Burns. So that would make Andrew Hagerman the brother-in-law of John Burns. Andrew was wounded at Hagerstown, MD and died from the effects of his wound on the following Friday (10 July 1863?)

 

[connecticut yankee]

Officer: Col. A. Van Home Ellis
Regiment: 124th New York Infantry

Monument: Full-length bronze figure of a commanding officer, Colonel A. Van Home Ellis, dressed in uniform with scabbard at proper left side, stands atop granite monument giving history of 124th New York Infantry. The monument marks the position held by the 124th Regiment on July 2, 1863, and the statue is the likeness of Col. A. Van Home Ellis, killed at battle here. Monument is a granite shaft topped with a seven foot stone statue of the regiment's commanding officer set on a 4.5 foot square base. The shaft has a bronze tablet on the north and a bronze tablet with the state seal on the south. Flanking markers are one foot square.