1851 EM belt

charliegold

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I'm needing a 1851 pattern em belt rigged for the large oval buckle (puppy foot). building a 1852 Inf impression for 7th Inf. checked Jarnagin and l.d. hanning with no luck. any suggestions appreciated.
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cg
 
I'm needing a 1851 pattern em belt rigged for the large oval buckle (puppy foot). building a 1852 Inf impression for 7th Inf. checked Jarnagin and l.d. hanning with no luck. any suggestions appreciated.
ty

cg
The "Puppy Paw" belt plate is actually a M39. So you're looking to do a pre war, 52 impression correct? Buff waistbelt and box strap? These would also be M39. C.A. Davisson offers a pre war accoutrement set. Check him out mycatridgeboxes.com.
 
Howdy,

The US Army's 1850 Ordnance Manual described the infantry accoutrements (For muskets) as essentially the same as since 1841, as worn through the war with Mexico... including the 1.5-inch wide waist belt with the small US oval plate...

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The riflemen's accoutrements, were similar, but lacked the shoulder belt for the cartridge box... and the waist belt was 2-inches. These accoutrements were for troops armed with rifles instead of muskets.

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The Army changed its uniform in June, 1851. The plates depicting the uniform dress of the infantry troops showed the infantry accoutrement belts to be thereafter "officially" black...

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Here's some sketches of the infantry at Fort Snelling Minnesota in 1851 by Frank B. Mayer, yet in the pre-1851 fatigue dress, and Mexican war style 1841/1850 pattern infantry accoutrements...

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Here's a regular army infantry sergeant in the early 1850s, with the post-1851 black sword belt, worn with the "old pattern" fatigue dress from the Mexican war. Though notice his rank chevrons are on a dark blue backing, as for the regulation post-1851 dark blue frock coat...

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It took the Army time to produce and issue the new 1851 pattern uniform caps and coats, etc. The pre-1851 dress was continued, including the sky-blue fatigue jackets and dark blue cloth forage caps, though was to be modified, so far as was practicable, with the new branch colors...

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Within a short period, ca. the sky-blue fatigue jackets for infantry were modified, with the white tape removed, and post-1851 branch colors, dark blue for infantry, added as piping...

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Anyways, the blackening of the white infantry accoutrements was not attended to universally or instantaneously. Augustus Meyers states that upon enlisting in 1854, at the recruit depot at Governor's Island, New York, the serving troops in garrison were yet employing the white buff belts...

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Here's an infantryman in the 1851 uniform with an unblackened infantry waist belt (narrow)...

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Meyers states that his 2nd US Infantry Regiment, received rifles and rifle accoutrements after 1855...

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The 7th Infantry Regiment, serving in the Southwest, was not rearmed in the 1850s apparently, and as late as 1861 still had the smoothbore percussion muskets (pattern of 1842).


C&D Jarnagin sells the Mexican War period accoutrements, including the 1841 Musket Cartridge box (for .69 caliber musket), with small, 1839 pattern box flap plate, and the corresponding belts and the narrow waist belt with small waist belt plate, etc.


CC Sutlery has some inexpensive accoutrement accessories of the type (imported). Also the correct tin canteen (with the US embossed in center... though with an incorrect strap... as it should have a russet leather one)...


Missouri boot and shoe sells pre-1861 type leather canteen slings...

Missouri Boot and shoe also sells a good quality 1839/41 pattern musket cartridge box...


Consider getting the Mexican War accoutrements in the white buff, since they weren't necessarily blackened immediately in every case; and if wearing them in black to reflect the regulations is preferred, blackening them yourself, etc.
 
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Why are that sergeants, uh, "trousers" glowing? It would be thoroughly understandable if he were a cavalryman, but he's just a grunt.

It's a daguerreotype, and the surface material in which the image is suspended is essentially polished metal mirror finish...

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Here's another example, showing how incredibly reflective the surfaces of a dag are... The plates are highly polished, and as this article notes, if the light reflecting on the image surface is not exactly in the direction with the polishing marks on the surface, it reflects it like a mirror rather than showing the image clearly...

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You can see the mirror like finish of some other examples here...


 
FWIW Missouri Boot & Shoe offering mentioned above is the best I've seen anywhere. I was on the phone with them to buy a set when the water heater bottom blew out… I've felt guilty ever since. I need to buy a set to atone for my household sins getting in the way of the hobby.

Real life is a no doubt about it unadulterated bastard.
 
Yes. I drove up to their shop in Missouri to be fit for brogans. Pretty impressive efforts made ny these guys, not only on the accuracy and meticulousness of their research, but also in terms of execution/manufacture. It was a treat to sit on his shop and talk details of 19th century footwear. It's a hike but it was worth the trip.
 
you have a pic? the equipment list has it described:
"1832 White Buff 1.5" wide, Small US Oval Buckle"
can you replicate this model belt? right now I understand all white buff is only available in the UK? look forward to reply.
cg
 
this is what i had found on the belt there is 2 different style. white buff is not in the UK i can get in Kentucky but it wont be the same white as what it was back then. only because of the laws of making white leather has change

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