11th Ohio Scout?

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Saw this on my Facebook feed, was rather curious as to how and if historically correct. See loose impressions of Confederate Natives where they were more prevalent, but would this flew as a Union scout? Unless the 11th Ohio was in the Trans Mississippi west around Indian Territory not seeing how such a look would even aided scouting.............could hindered it.


 
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The 11th Ohio Volunteer Cavalry was assigned to the Departments of Kansas and Missouri and was at one time sent to Nebraska so......shrug.
Guess it depends on period as well. I found it more surprising being a Ohio unit, wouldn't find it as odd in a Kansas unit. Would thought Ohio unit would been more strict in dress/discipline.
 
Guess it depends on period as well. I found it more surprising being a Ohio unit, wouldn't find it as odd in a Kansas unit. Would thought Ohio unit would been more strict in dress/discipline.
Well given the tenor of the varing Commands in Missouri and Kansas a including the Department Commanders included, it wouldn't be surprising if their discipline and decorum flagged and suffered. The only out state troops that gave a fairly level showing, though they did have their problems were the Wisconsin and Colorado Regiments assigned.
 
It is my Impression that they were posted along the Oregon Trail after their separation from the 6th Ohio Cavalry.
Just did a deeper dive on the 11th OVC and you are correct. Their service was in Nebraska and Idaho as well as the Dakotas. So their being assigned to the Departments of Missouri and Kansas would be correct as both of those Departments also took in frontier territory All their. Engagements seem to be against Native Americans.
 
My first thought would be how farbtastic is that! But reading and seeing Pawnee in the description i thought well that's a bit better but wondered why is he wearing what at first glance looks like an Eastern theatre CS jacket…. Then again it would be time to do a deeper dive into the unit and the assorted known Indian scouts of the period. Then the flintlock doesn't look like a trade rifle….

Indian scouts weren't uncommon at all, in the west, with many joining for the promise of weapons or a chance to hit their tribal enemies. I would have to do some research on the Pawnee but I'm afraid to because all too often what I run across are nothing more than white Indians pretending with Hollyweird as their research.

What I hate is it is more often done really badly by members of the wannabe tribe with little or no consideration of how offensive they are being.

FWIW the Lakota in particular referred to the Pawnee as White Indians and they were often employed against the Lakota and Cheyenne.

I'd rather be wrong than right but… I'm too jaded anymore.
 
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I would agree, on the farbtastic comment. Deriving a theory and a persona based on some fantasy is a tough one to back up and not look like a total farb. If he has some documentation to show a Federal Native Scout dressed in battlefield pickup gray, using a flintlock, I would be more likely to give it a pass, but...I have not seen documentation nor have I come across such a photo in my research.
 
I´m not sold on the flintlock. I think a scout living by his rifle by the 1860s would be using a percussion weapon. We still have Hickok´s half-stocked plains rifle that he was carrying at that time. I would rather see something like that than a fully stocked late 18th century/early 19th century long rifle. I´m also not sold on those long leggings. They´re a hundred years out of date. Blanket or leather leggings I could justify, but the British ones are just too out of the time period. Scouts were often given obsolete or unusual uniform items to distinguish them: Hardee hats - sometimes with artillery brass, shell jackets. On the whole, his look has too much ¨I had these items and threw them together, then went looking for an impression that might justify them.¨ When you create an impression, you don´t want to borrow stuff too blatantly from you other impressions. You don´t want someone saying ¨So, you do French and Indian, too?¨ I´m not expressing it very well, but his impression seems more like cowboy cosplay than actual historical recreation.
 
When first saw it and 11th Ohio, thought had to be throughly farbtastic, but that the 11th was in the west and Indian territory makes it somewhat more plausible.........

The longarm strikes me particularly odd.....as it's rather long for horseback......if he's seen enough service to find/aquire regular Confederate depot issue and a Remington revolver.......why would he kept that unwieldy relic?

But that also strikes me somewhat a catch 22........if battlefield acquisitions reflect 1862-63......by then wasn't Union becoming more incessant on standardized gear and discipline?
 
They were on the northern Plains in Nebraska and Wyoming. Here´s a Native scout from the Modoc War of 1872. Admittedly a few years after our period, but he shows some of the tendencies of Native scouts (which was really just a term for ¨auxiliaries¨) There´s a Hardee hat beside him. He´s wearing trousers and brogans (clearly). He´s wearing trousers and a mix of Native items - note the knife. He´s also carrying a Spencer. I think this is a much more likely look for a Pawnee, Crow or Shoshone scout.
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