Ebenezer creek

[rpkennedy]

then why did he remain a U.S. officer untill 1879? he was a brevet major general, same rank as Mr.Joshua Chamberlain...A very fine outstanding man! Why does Davis get to hold the same rank as this man? And i wasnt aware that if your a great millitary comander,you get a free pass from prison for killing anot officer..

A brevet rank is not the same as a regular commission. And Davis was a West Point graduate and successful field officer before Chamberlain was even in the army. And sometimes practicality trumps justice; it's just how it goes sometimes. I'm not excusing his behavior but he was a good officer and some things were allowed to be swept aside.

R

 

[PartywithArty]

A brevet rank is not the same as a regular commission. And Davis was a West Point graduate and successful field officer before Chamberlain was even in the army. And sometimes practicality trumps justice; it's just how it goes sometimes. I'm not excusing his behavior but he was a good officer and some things were allowed to be swept aside.

R

like muder I suppose...

 

[rpkennedy]

like muder I suppose...

In this case, yes.

R

 

[diane]

Sherman was Commanding General of the Army after the war, until 1883. That had a lot to do with it, and attrition from the CW. After that it was the Indian Wars and Davis was just the dude for that sort of thing. Remember, Sherman took Kilpatrick on his march to the sea because he knew he was a 'd-n fool' and that was what he needed for his purposes.

 

[PartywithArty]

In this case, yes.

R

apparantly..

 

[donna]

Nelson was unarmed. Davis shot him in chest. Many of the officiers present wanted to hang Davis at that moment. However, he was taken to prison. They then wanted a trial there but some said he needed to be tried in Washington. That was at same time Buell was making all his plans in Ky. He needed every man he had. Also the governor of Indiana interceded for Davis who was from Indiana, Time went by and nothing was done.

It was murder to me. It wasn't a duel.

 

[ForeverFree]

i agree 100%,but to duel, the other party would need a weapon...Wich he didnt have.. He was unarmed..

I'm not saying they were dueling. I'm saying they went mano a mano, a gun was involved, and that's all she wrote. Note, I am not defending this, you'd think this would be the subject of a civilian or military investigation. But guys back then had some crazy (by today's standards) rules of honor. And this wouldn't be the first time that justifiable homicide on account of self defense was claimed, if that's what happened.

- Alan

 

[ForeverFree]

Nelson was unarmed. Davis shot him in chest. Many of the officiers present wanted to hang Davis at that moment. However, he was taken to prison. They then wanted a trial there but some said he needed to be tried in Washington. That was at same time Buell was making all his plans in Ky. He needed every man he had. Also the governor of Indiana interceded for Davis who was from Indiana, Time went by and nothing was done.

It was murder to me. It wasn't a duel.

OK, thanks for those details. It looks like Davis got away with it, for sure.

- Alan

 

[PartywithArty]

Sherman was Commanding General of the Army after the war, until 1883. That had a lot to do with it, and attrition from the CW. After that it was the Indian Wars and Davis was just the dude for that sort of thing. Remember, Sherman took Kilpatrick on his march to the sea because he knew he was a 'd-n fool' and that was what he needed for his purposes.

Indeed. Sherman had all the rank he needed to cast a blanket over his favorites and protect them from any sort of pushishment. As far as Davises rank goes,to bad he couldnt be a brigider general...Ohh well,well give him the next best thing since hes a murderer...Im sorry but i dont see that as any form of punishment.

 

[Blessmag]

http://www.hmdb.org/marker.asp?marker=31226



An ebenezer was / is a stone of help ... when the Israelites celebrated a victory or marked an important event ...


They would mark it with a stone or pile of stones on the ground! It was almost like our modern flags, we plant them on the moon or on the tops of mountains. Yet, the ebenezer had a particular reference to God, raising my ebenezer means I am going to "praise God" and mark the spots of His grace toward me as places to REMEMBER! The song writer is saying to this place in my Christian walk I have come dear Lord, a glorious place, I never thought I would reach on my own, and Lord I did not reach it ON MY OWN, but by YOUR HELP, therefore it is a place worthy of a mark in my mind, in my heart and in my acknowledgement of YOU, as my Gracious God. I think if we wanted to raise an ebenezer today, it would not necessarily have to be a pile of stones, though there would be nothing wrong with that. It could also be a date we remember and celebrated on our calendars, or an extremely highlighted and MARKed, remembered and celebrated place in our diary!

 

[Blessmag]

and this is a map

http://www.kayakguide.com/USA/GA-EbenezerCreek/EbenezerCreek.htm

 

[rpkennedy]

Indeed. Sherman had all the rank he needed to cast a blanket over his favorites and protect them from any sort of pushishment. As far as Davises rank goes,to bad he couldnt be a brigider general...Ohh well,well give him the next best thing since hes a murderer...Im sorry but i dont see that as any form of punishment.

Sherman wasn't the one protecting him. This was before Davis and Sherman served together. The governor of Indiana and other generals spoke up on Davis' behalf.

R

 

[PartywithArty]

Sherman wasn't the one protecting him. This was before Davis and Sherman served together. The governor of Indiana and other generals spoke up on Davis' behalf.

R

but its because of Sheman,that he remained in service. After the Nelson incedent and the Ebenezer creek incedent

 

[rpkennedy]

but its because of Sheman,that he remained in service. After the Nelson incedent and the Ebenezer creek incedent

Sherman didn't have anything to do with standing up for Davis and Nelson's murder. Besides, he was in no real position to do so.

R

 

[PartywithArty]

Sherman didn't have anything to do with standing up for Davis and Nelson's murder. Besides, he was in no real position to do so.

R

Exactly... Shermans march to the sea was led by a mentaly unstable man and his murderer pal Davis....Heck of a group of men I must say..

 

[rpkennedy]

Exactly... Shermans march to the sea was led by a mentaly unstable man and his murderer pal Davis....Heck of a group of men I must say..

Oh for crying out loud...

R

 

[diane]

Oh, dear. Well, I guess we shouldn't mention Mosby... He shot a fellow who was, admittedly, commencing to do him harm but it wasn't exactly self-defense either. But nobody had a problem using Mosby's services during the war despite this incident. The thing is, the war created a need for officers - and men who would not have been officers in peace time got their jobs during war time. After the war, there was the matter of attrition - many more able and better men were in their graves and commanders had to, well, make do. We could have done without Davis out here but Jack shot Canby dead and so we got him. Otherwise, Canby would have been doing his job and Davis would have gone back to deporting Russians from Alaska...

 

[FourLeafClover]

Was Davis a freemason? For that, was Wheeler, the Gov. of Indiana any of the individuals who perpetrated bad acts. With no detriment to their careers, members of the brotherhood?
I am about to look into this, though transparency may not be so forthcoming.
Without being a conspiracy theorist. There were many instances of clemency upon demand of "showing a distress signal".
Could it be possible Davis got away with much due to masonic intervention?

 

[cash]

You can look at that from two view points.Whats best for Shermans men,,or whats best for everyone, They could have let the slaves cross and fight close hand against Wheeler,or they could have done what they done and cut the ropes,left the slaves for a speed bump to let the white troops proceded..Wich is what they done. I read in Shermans memoirs when ask asbout Davis's actions, he relied "He was just being a soldier" well in that case,when Shermans men stumbled apon the mine field,why punish the confederate prisoners by making them find all the mines? After all,they were just being soldiers..

Because the "torpedoes," as they were called then, were considered to be outside the accepted rules of war, and it was perfectly acceptable to retaliate in that manner.

 

[diane]

I don't think he was but Gov Morton was present when Gen Nelson smacked Davis, which brought on the shooting. He wasn't there at the actual murder. At any rate, Morton had not been happy with Nelson's handling of Indiana troops in Kentucky. Davis was an Indiana man. At that time Morton was manhandling Indiana into the Union and trying to keep the state from splitting - this might have had something to do with his sticking up for Davis.