And if Gen. Lee hadn't surrendered at Appomattox...

[B Peach]

I don't see the word slave there, do you?

I see it in the same place the USSC saw in DS.
Now...the right of property in a slave is distinctly and expressly affirmed in the Constitution. The right to traffic in it, like an ordinary article of merchandise and property, was guaranteed to the citizens of the United States, in every state that might desire it, for twenty years. And the government in express terms is pledged to protect it in all future time if the slave escapes from his owner. This is done in plain words--too plain to be misunderstood. And no word can be found in the Constitution which gives Congress a greater power over slave property or which entitles property of that kind to less protection than property of any other description....

Upon these considerations it is the opinion of the Court that the act of Congress which prohibited a citizen from holding and owning property of this kind in the territory of the United States north of the line therein mentioned is not warranted by the Constitution and is therefore void; and that neither Dred Scott himself, nor any of his family, were made free by being carried into this territory; even if they had been carried there by the owner with the intention of becoming a permanent resident.

 

[jgoodguy]

I see it in the same place the USSC saw in DS.
Now...the right of property in a slave is distinctly and expressly affirmed in the Constitution. The right to traffic in it, like an ordinary article of merchandise and property, was guaranteed to the citizens of the United States, in every state that might desire it, for twenty years. And the government in express terms is pledged to protect it in all future time if the slave escapes from his owner. This is done in plain words--too plain to be misunderstood. And no word can be found in the Constitution which gives Congress a greater power over slave property or which entitles property of that kind to less protection than property of any other description....

Upon these considerations it is the opinion of the Court that the act of Congress which prohibited a citizen from holding and owning property of this kind in the territory of the United States north of the line therein mentioned is not warranted by the Constitution and is therefore void; and that neither Dred Scott himself, nor any of his family, were made free by being carried into this territory; even if they had been carried there by the owner with the intention of becoming a permanent resident.

Ok neither the term slave or slavery, unlike the CSA constitution, is contained in the US constitution. Thanks for confirming it.

 

[B Peach]

N

Ok neither the term slave or slavery, unlike the CSA constitution, is contained in the US constitution. Thanks for confirming it.

No thats not what the USSC explained.

 

[jgoodguy]

N
No thats not what the USSC explained.

In post #37 you said.

US Constitution contained slavery, because owners wanted to exploit them, without slavery, that same Union allowed the exploitation of free negros for 100+ years. Motive being exploitation in both instances.

You are incorrect, the Constitutions does not have the word slavery in it.

 

[BillO]

I like pie. I like deep dish cherry pie with french vanilla ice cream on top the best. Now turn that into an argument over slavery.

 

[B Peach]

In post #37 you said.

I said it contains slavery. It does, and the USSC agrees that it did.

You are incorrect, the Constitutions does not have the word slavery in it.

Not my fault you here to play wordgames. If your intrested in history otoh, its because indentured servants and there was 00s of 000s of them , and slaves, and felons,were covered by the phrase No Person held to Service or Labor in one State.

 

[coltshooter1]

I like pie. I like deep dish cherry pie with french vanilla ice cream on top the best. Now turn that into an argument over slavery.

Peach pie with French Vanilla is superior to cherry!

 

[jgoodguy]

I said it contains slavery. It does, and the USSC agrees that it did.




Not my fault you here to play wordgames. If your intrested in history otoh, its because indentured servants and there was 00s of 000s of them , and slaves, and felons,were covered by the phrase No Person held to Service or Labor in one State.

I like pie. I like deep dish cherry pie with french vanilla ice cream on top the best. Now turn that into an argument over slavery.

Both contain sugar and sugar was grown by slave labor in the Caribbean.

 

[BillO]

I will have to wait another year or 2 until my peach trees bare fruit before I will be able to conduct the necessary experimentation proving cherry pie superiority but I will concede that your views on the proper ice cream topping are clearly exceptional.

 

[B Peach]

Both contain sugar and sugar was grown by slave labor in the Caribbean.

80% of slaves came to the New world, before 1810, cotton production in 1810 was in its infancy, it was for sugar they came.

 

[jgoodguy]

I will have to wait another year or 2 until my peach trees bare fruit before I will be able to conduct the necessary experimentation proving cherry pie superiority but I will concede that your views on the proper ice cream topping are clearly exceptional.

I'd confess to loving chocolate pie, but I'd hate to see where that would go.

 

[CSA Today]

Article IV
Section 2
No Person held to Service or Labor in one State, under the Laws thereof, escaping into another, shall, in Consequence of any Law or Regulation therein, be discharged from such Service or Labor, but shall be delivered up on Claim of the Party to whom such Service or labor may be due.

Entered to the Constition In 1793 Congress effectuated this clause by "An Act Respecting Fugitives from Justice and Persons Escaping from the Service of Their Masters."

B Peach,

I'm afraid you are labouring under the assumption that jgoodguy understands that the US Constitution was referring to slavery.

"The worst fears of those Boys in Gray are now a fact of American life -- a Federal government completely out of control."

Professor Jay Hoar, University of Maine at Farmington (retired)

 

[jgoodguy]

B Peach,

I'm afraid you are labouring under the assumption that jgoodguy understands that the US Constitution was referring to slavery.

"The worst fears of those Boys in Gray are now a fact of American life -- a Federal government completely out of control."

Professor Jay Hoar, University of Maine at Farmington (retired)

I am a true Son of the South educated in the Lost Cause History and cogent in all the Long Legged Yankee Lies. Oh I know that the cowardly Yankees would not put the explicit terms in their Constitution even with our enlightened representatives threatening to scuttle the Constitution without assurance for slavery. But when our glorious republic was born we proudly put the explicit terms in our Constitution for all the world to see.

 

[unionblue]

I like pie. I like deep dish cherry pie with french vanilla ice cream on top the best. Now turn that into an argument over slavery.

When it comes to deep dish cherry pie with french vanilla ice cream on the top, I'm a slave to my cravings for it.

 

[BillO]

Control yourself man! This is an open forum. I wonder what Locke would say about pie?

 

[unionblue]

Perhaps that deep dish cherry pie with vanillia ice cream on top was a God-given right for all men to enjoy?

 

[B Peach]

Control yourself man! This is an open forum. I wonder what Locke would say about pie?

Depends on if he could work out how make a profit from owning it, or by selling a book that explains why no one should own Pie.

 

[BillO]

And he would have said that right after he bought stock in the pie factory.

 

[Nathanb1]

Perhaps that deep dish cherry pie with vanillia ice cream on top was a God-given right for all men to enjoy?

AND women.

 

[BillO]

Why yes we enjoy women too!

 

[unionblue]

Why yes we enjoy women too!

Especially with wonderful Southern accents.

I can just imagine a sweet, Southern ladies voice asking for deep dish cherry pie and vanillia ice cream on top.

It sends shudders of joyful expectations down the length of my entire spine.

Locke can go find his own Southern gal.

Unionblue