bad little crumbaugh boys

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In the meet and greet, I mentioned that two of my grandfathers first cousins (instead of the three quoted) were caught two counties away from home in Kentucky and got a four month vacation at Camp Chase (Columbus) Ohio. After promising to stay out of trouble and not aid the rebel cause, they were released. In October 1862, John Henry, Thornton FJ , and Albert HG Crumbaugh joined the Kentucky cavalry at Lexington, KY. David B Crumbaugh later enlisted as a miller in Arch Dobbins first AR cavalry. Albert and Thornton were, I believe, couriers. Thornton was captured on Morgan's raid near Bardstown and got a long vacation at Camp Douglas in Chicago. Albert was captured near Cleveland, Tennessee after Lookout Mountain and he spent his Illinois vacation in Rock Island. He was later paroled and surrendered at Washington, GA. While Albert was getting caught, the grandson of his Ohio great aunt, Barbara Crumbaugh Shank, was the second man up Lookout Mountain for the Union side. John Shank fell ill later in the war and was buried back on the Shank farm near Bellbrook, Ohio. This is also a likely burial spot for Margaret Seideman Crumbaugh, the wife of Conrad Crumbaugh and the great grandmother of the boys. John Henry C. made it through Kentucky, Indiana, and Ohio and made it across the Ohio River at Buffington Island. I imagine that he felt that one Ohio vacation was enough. Those that didn't get away later surrendered near West Point and Liverpool, Ohio on the David Crubaugh farm. Yup, a couple of the tribe decided after getting off the boat that they didn't need the m in there so they dropped it and became Crubaugh. There are notes about this in Bill and Linda Crubaugh's family history book. In the book there are also pictures and details of the Morgan surrender site. This is also covered in the Lester Horwitz book: The Longest Raid.
John Henry C. surrendered at Washington, GA . He was one of Breckinridge's men that accompanied Jeff Davis. John Henry C. later returned to Georgetown, KY and lived with one of his brother Albert's children's family in his old age. As a bachelor great uncle, he babysat a little girl who grew up, married and raised a family of her own. She's able to live in her own home and go out to eat with her family and it was nice to meet my cousin, Bess Crumbaugh Thornton 102, last spring when we visited Georgetown for the first time. Her grandfather and his brothers all survived the War Within the States. It was said by one of the brothers that the only time that he was warm during the winter during the war was when it snowed and the snow acted as insulation. Thornton was captured in Kentucky when he went on Morgan's raid and spent his vacation in Camp Douglas in Chicago. I believe that his health was damaged because he only lived to be 45; much less than his older brothers. Thornton Fitzhugh Johnson C. later lived in Fort Worth, Texas and worked for a possible relative; city engineer William Munroe Johnson on some of the first paving in Dallas. This was done using hedge or osage orange blocks set on end; almost as hard as iron. A cousin, Calvin Crumbaugh, from Woodford County, KY was also captured and spent a long time at Camp Douglas. He was recently determined to be a grandson of grandfather Conrad's brother John. He couldn't survive the harsh conditions and spends eternity in Confederate Mound in Chicago.
Another of the Crumbaugh brothers, James Solomon C. enlisted later in the war. Supposedly, he drew the short straw and was to stay home, help run the mill and take care of the grandparents. James Solomon was captured by the Federals on the way to join up but was allowed to escape by the commanding officer; a friend and neighbor. He made his way to Canada and worked in a hospital for the remainder of the war. However, John Headley wrote a book about his wartime experiences in Morgan's cavalry about 1900. Headley was one of those later involved in undercover work in Canada. Among others involved were John Castleman and Thomas Henry Hines from Kentucky. They were all veterans of the ninth Kentucky Confederate cavalry. They were working to free the prisoners at Johnston's Island in Ohio and also at Camp Douglas in Chicago. The last name Crumbaugh is on the list of people involved. James Solomon C. could be the one.
David B. Crumbaugh lost his horse and saddle when he surrendered at Wittsburg, AR, the furthest spot up river that a steamboat could reach from the Mississippi. But he made it back to Georgetown, KY after the war and later married a lady whose brother most likely fought for the Union. He's buried in Hillside Cemetery ( and it is) in Augusta, KY along the Ohio River in Bracken County. David turned in a claim to the Federal Gov't in 1880 for his horse and saddle but received nothing.
William Crumbaugh, the last of the bad little Crumbaugh boys, moved to Phillips Co.,AR after the war. He never served, probably due to his breaking his arm when young. It never grew back right. He worked on the farm with his older sister Orpha C. Threlkeld and her much older husband David. The Threlkelds are listed in both the KY and AR 1850 census for Scott Co.,KY and Phillips Co., AR. The Threlkelds (misspelled Threlkeid) are listed in rejected claims from the Southern Claims Comission for eleven pages of goods including 400 pounds of lard, 300 chickens and several kegs of nails. He also lost all his carpenter tools that he had brought with him from Kentucky. I believe that the Union Cavalry might well have been chasing Arch Dobbins and Orpha's younger brother David when they did such a thorough job of cleaning out that area of AR. But a household member of the Crumbaughs from KY was a housekeeper for bachelor William C. and had lived with the childless Threlkelds as well. Her descendants inherited some of the ground in Marion Twp. It isn't well known where she nor William Crumbaugh are buried. But the Threlkelds were able to hang onto some of the ground in Spring Creek Twp., AR for they are buried in Central Cemetery located between Marvell and Helena in the center on the east half with lettering on the stone denoting that David Threlkeld was born in Scott County, KY. A long time back and a ways away from Illinois, but still, the first cousins that my grandfather didn't know.
 
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Very interesting story. Since your ancestors rode with Morgan, you might be interested in the Morgan's Men Association which was originally founded in Lexington, Ky. on April 7, 1868. It is an association of the men who rode with General Morgan. They have web site: http://members.tripod.com/morgans-men/ or goggle Morgan's Men Association.

Hello and thanks. This is probably one of the few places on the web or elsewhere that a person could tell a story like this without being charged with the crime of attempting to bore people to death. After a period of about 20 years, I really only found some of the most interesting stuff in the last five years; guess it shows you just as well stick with it as long as you went part way. I had a lot of help from others over a long time. I particularly appreciate the sources shown on here as this type of stuff helps make up for the family notes and letters that we all wish we had. I guess that I was under the impression that one had to be a direct line down from Morgans men rather than a great grandson of a brother of the Morgan's men's father. Also have a couple KY union vets who were sons of the part of the Crumbaugh tribe of eleven brothers and sisters who stayed in the Frankfort and Lexington area of KY.
 
You have been researching for quite some time. I just began looking into my family about 2 1/2 to 3 years ago. Just found out this years about two Great Great Grandfathers that fought in Civil War. They both from Ky. One fought for North and one for South. There are several other relatives of theirs who fought too.

From what I read on Morgan site you don't have to be direct descendant. Also you can be an associate member. They list all the units and even the Union ones that fought against Morgan and his Units. It is interesting site.

Look forward to more about your relatives. My two Great Great Grandfathers were Nathaniel Cook (CSA) and Jesse Nichols (Union). I have threads on both of them in Researching Ancestors on the forum..
 
Donna, You may well wish that you had never egged me on, BUT I saw your older post about a Johnston marrying a Johnson. Have you ever seen Ward Hall west of Georgetown? This is where my cousin Bess T. went to a dance as a young girl. John Winter Crumbaugh ( the father of Orpha C. Threlkeld and her bad little Crumbaugh brothers) had as a first wife- Elizabeth Morris Johnson. There might be a connection to George Johnson. I believe that George is buried in the Georgetown Cemetery. Most of the Crumbaugh boys and John Winter and Elizabeth are. Other Johnsons are buried northeast of the Baptist church at Great Crossing. One of the bad little Crumbaugh boys, James Solomon C., ran the mill at Great Crossing for awhile after the war before moving to Terrell, TX in the 1880's. James Solomon had worked at the Crumbaugh mill on the Elkhorn east of Gtown before and during the war. Can't seem to get the Johnson lines all straightened out in Orange Co., VA to possibly link Elizabeth, Thornton, and the other Johnsons of Stamping Ground, Great Crossing, and Georgetown, KY.
 
I need to go to Georgetown, Ky. I need to go to Courthouse. I discovered I have a cousin there. She has done a lot of research and we are e-mailing information back and forth. A woman from the Morgan Association told me I would be interested in the Georgetown area as General Basil Duke's family home was there.

Have you ever heard of Pisgah Presbyterian Church? There was a school on the property. Basil Duke and others went to the school. The Church is our family Church. My Dad was baptized there and so was I . It is a beautiful Church. It is near Versailles, Ky.

Thanks for the information. I will check into it also.
 
We were so many places in such a short time that I can hardly tell you what we saw and missed around Gtown and Lexington. Morgan's home was closed but we saw part of Transylvania College. We found the limestone walled Johnson cemetery at Great Crossing and the millsite, as well as the Crumbaugh millsite on Crumbaugh road. We saw the KY horsepark and Ashland at Lexington. We also saw a little of Versailles and saw Midway College at Midway as well as the Morgan marker. But we missed a lot of everything. I bought a book about Georgetown history at the museum and visited the library also. There's a nice gal, Nancy Giles, there part time who works with genealogy. Paul Frost from Oak Park,IL has left a bunch of his work there and I need to send some as well. I'm probably not in too good grace there because of taking so long to do so. Sending history papers from IL to KY is like sending coal to Newcastle, I think. Paul is a descendant of the Jacob and John C. line from Frankfort and Lexington, KY and has done an excellent job of making sense of the local lines in the library here at LeRoy, IL. I had read some of his work a long time back, but never met him until after I had answered one of his Civil War queries on a message board about the bad little Crumbaugh boys. And that's when this part of the trouble started. He's really responsible for digging up a lot of the Solomon C. branch, especially as far as the Civil War part is concerned.
Another strange thing at the Gtown library is the plaque on the west wall as you go in. It mentions a gift from Gilmore Hayes and Margaret Nunnally. She was Margaret Porter. The Porters and Nunnallys got together in Georgetown. This is mentioned in Eva Crumbaugh Grizzelle's notes on family history at the Crumbaugh Memorial Library. from the 1920's. Luck. There's one line on the Porter Nunnally connection. There's one line on the William C. and Threlkeld crew in Phillips Co., AR. Luck. The oldest Porter boy's son married the James Solomon C. daughter in Terrell, TX after the war. There's still a wonderful Porter family that we visited there three years ago. Luck. The moderator mentioned it about the Crumbaugh boys being mentioned in the official records. They all survived the war. Luck. I've had it good and my biggest hope is that I can provide someone else with some help so that they may not have to go down so many dead ends to find what they're looking for.
 
the bad little Crumbaugh boys and the good ferry. After seeing Hillside Cemetery at Augusta, KY and finding the burial site of David B. Crumbaugh, we decided to take the ferry back across the Ohio since we were going to need to cut across Indiana to get back to IL anyway.Talk about steep; some of this cemetery slopes more than a few hillsides I've skied down. Augusta, Ky was the site of a small battle between Basil Duke and some of the home guard I believe. Somebody jump in and correct me please. The ferry was good and a good chance to look back and get a couple pictures of the town and river. Is it okay to call them ferryers instead of farriers if they work on a ferry instead of horseshoeing? I mentioned to the boat guys who we were, offered them a coke, and asked about any relative info. One of them told me that they had known David Burnet C. when he was old. Not quite possible, but how about his son John Winter C. #2 ? When they found that they had run out of tourist info, they pulled a couple sheets off the ship's bulletin board and handed them to me.Surprising. I just managed to pull out the ancestors chart drawn up long ago by those in Georgetown, KY and explained that John Winter C.#2 was the only son of bad little Crumbaugh boy David B. and the grandson of John Winter C. #1- the father of all the bad little Crumbaugh boys.I was privileged to be able to talk to the son ,Albert, of John Winter C#2 in the 1980's.
Had such a good time, should've paid them again and ridden back and forth a couple more times just for fun, but another car wished to cross. When the LeRoy family member, Eva C. Grizzelle, wrote up her family history notes, she corresponded and visited with several family members in KY. She also was able to talk with my great grandfather's brother: bachelor Henry, the other brother of John Winter C. #1. Bachelor Henry, the Mexican war vet, lived across the road from Eva C. when she was growing up. Luck. I believe this is how she got a lot of her Ky family info, although very little of the war stuff is included- I think one line in the 70 pages. These have been saved by being placed in the Crumbaugh library that she fought against. Also, by using the library, I was able to connect with her great grandson near San Francisco and received a picture of my great uncle, bachelor Henry C. Luck. Never would've believed 25 years ago that I would ever come across that.
 
The Augusta Ferry started operation in 1797. It is one of only two ferries crossing the Ohio here in Ky. The other ferry which is only a couple of miles from us is the Anderson Ferry, Hebron , Ky. It has been in operation since 1817. It gets a lot of use. People use it every day to avoid traffic on I-71/75 going North to Cincinnati instaed of crossing the bridge.. We have taken it several times for the fun of going on a ferry. We always call the ferry drive, a ferryman.
 
There is a Monument in Payne/Bradley Cemetery in Augusta, Ky. It was erected in 1903 by the John B. Hood Camp of the United Confederate Veterans. It marks the graves of eight unidentified soldiers who died at Battle of Augusta.

Aware of the Confederate presence, about 100 Home Guards led by Col. Joshus Bradford, barricaded themselves in houses along the main road while Federal gunboats approached the Confederate soldiers. Basil Duke's men fired on the gunboats and forced them to flee, but the Home Guard maintained their positions, firing on the Confederate soldiers when they tried to enter the town. Duke set fire to many of the houses and the gunfire ensued for about twenty minutes. Twenty one Confederates and 15 Home Guard were killed and the Home Guard was suppressed. However, the battle exhausted Duke's supplies and prevented him from moving on to Cincinnati.

Battle of Augusta, Ky. Sept. 27, 1862
 
the bad little Crumbaugh boys other KY relatives Previously, I mentioned that the Porter family had been connected to the Nunnelly family at Georgetown,KY. The Nunnelly family was also tied to the Crumbaugh family since Mary C. married an Ashurst Nunnelly. This is also found as Nonely and Nunnally in some census forms. Mary Crumbaugh Nunnelly had, I believe, a son Benjamin, a son Ashurst, and daughters Sara and Mary. This is a Civil War forum and Benjamin was a carpenter who became a Union soldier. However, there was also an R. C. Nunnelly that was in the 5th MO cavalry- confederate. I believe that there's still an Ashurst funeral home in the Georgetown/ Lexington KY area. In the 1860 census, Mary and her children are found living with her older brother Ezra Crumbaugh at 10w on the Fayette Co., KY census, meaning that they lived 10 miles west of the Lexington, KY courthouse. It's still about 10 miles by road today. Mary also had several slaves with her family. Ezra C. was a son of brother John C's tribe. They resided in the Slickaway area west of Lexington, KY which later became known as Fort Springs. Supposedly, this name was used because a group of freed slaves held get togethers and meetings to which other slaves would slip away to in the evenings. It could also be because of an early traveler's troubles on icy roads leading to the stage stop and post office. During the war, it was a fortified tavern with a spring running underneath it. They were also connected to part of the Kentucky Buford family while Paul Frost is more familiar with the John Buford connection in his hometown of Rock Island, IL. This is, of course, before John Buford's role at Gettysburg. But some of John Crumbaugh's tribe and Mary C. Nunnelly's family ended up buried in the Lexington, Ky cemetery with well preserved stones, while several of brother Jacob C.'s tribe lie buried in the same Frankfort cemetery that Daniel Boone is most likely is buried in. The Lexington cemetery with John C's family also has a Buford stone close by since the two families were related by marriage. As far as George Johnson, the first KY confederate governor, goes; his Johnson ancestor married a Bryan- the Daniel Boone and Gtown's Ward Hall connection.
 
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realevergreen, Enjoying the history of your family. It shows lots of research and hard work.

Littlestown, The Morgan Men Association site is neat. I love the music. I am about to join. Just wish I could prove direct connection. The Unit my Great Great Grandfather belonged to was 1st Battalion Ky. Cavalry, Company A. He was killed on 10 Jan 1862 at the Battle of Middle Creek. Trying to find out if his outfit could have rode with any of Morgan's men during time he in Unit up to his death.
 
I sent the Morgan's Men Association an email awhile back, but never heard from them.

Wondering if you can get in if the ancestor in question was a deserter.
 
realevergreen, Enjoying the history of your family. It shows lots of research and hard work.

Littlestown, The Morgan Men Association site is neat. I love the music. I am about to join. Just wish I could prove direct connection. The Unit my Great Great Grandfather belonged to was 1st Battalion Ky. Cavalry, Company A. He was killed on 10 Jan 1862 at the Battle of Middle Creek. Trying to find out if his outfit could have rode with any of Morgan's men during time he in Unit up to his death.
Donna maybe you could try to google Lester Horwitz in Ohio; I don't have his address I guess. All I have from him is the book and a partial regimental list for the 4th, 5th, and 9th cause I already suspected those when I called him.
 
the bad little Crumbaugh boys and the Porter Civil War travels In the last tale, I mentioned that the Porter family had several daughters that married and lived in Georgetown, KY. The father was Cristopher Austin Porter and the mother was Sarah (Sally) Crose. The Porters came to Kentucky from the east, probably North Carolina. They left with a large part of the family and moved to Bates Co., Missouri before the war. Order #11 changed that; plus it's hard to prove that you're extremely loyal to the U.S. gov't when the oldest Porter son was fighting in the Confederate army. He managed to come back alive from that after fighting near Mansfield,LA . He surrendered to a lady named Paralee Mooring with some connection to Mooringsport, Louisiana. After the war they bought a farm near Terrell, TX and didn't see much of his parents. The Texas farm was later involved in the first farm extension cotton experiment with fertilizer to raise yields and that's why there's a big old rock with a brass plaque on it in the yard. The father and mother. C.A. and Sarah Porter had left MO and gone to live with a daughter and her husband and family at Camargo, IL in Douglas County. Ironically, one of the daughters of the brother Daniel Crumbaugh tribe married a local here at LeRoy, IL and moved to the same Bates County, MO after the war. But the senior Porters ended up with a monument at Oak Ridge cemetery on the southside of Camargo, IL in Douglas County, the home of their daughter Sally Porter Jarman. Quite a ways from Georgetown, KY, Bates Co.,MO and Terrell, TX
 
the bad little Crumbaugh boys and the witch James Solomon Crumbaugh was almost a Civil War veteran like his brothers except that he got caught on the way to join his company and remained out of the war, and out of the country, for the duration. After the war, in the 1880's, he left his hometown of Georgetown, KY and the milling business to go to Terrell, TX to build a mill for a local person. This person's wife died and he lost interest in the mill. If it was anything like the mill at New Salem, IL with wooden bevel gears, if you made a couple slipups with a saw or chisel, you could've cost yourself another couple days work. In the letters from Aunt Ruth Porter Bowers, it was said that grandpa James Solomon C. loved the little baby grandchildren but expected them to be grown up in a hurry and became very irritated when they helped him in the garden and mashed up some of the peas and beans. Evidently some heredity runs deeper than it should because I've looked back and found myself doing somewhat the same with my own kids as she wrote that James Solomon C. did, even though separated by several generations and about 140 years. Later, James Solomon's son, Charles Miller C., became a builder and, later, a lawyer and judge. Charles Crumbaugh worked until he was in his nineties and could recall some cases out of his head. Evidently he had been successful in settling old Spanish land grant claims. Hetty Green was the owner of the Texas Midland Railroad and her son, Ned, became president of it. The Midland connected several east Texas towns and ran through Dallas with the headquarters in Terrell. It was the first Texas railroad to have electric headlights and passsenger car lights. Ned was the owner of one of the first Texas automobiles ... and one of the first to have an accident when he and his passenger were run off the road by a farm wagon with a load of hay. Although coming from the east, he established a Texas residency by leaving some clothes and an extra wooden leg in a room he rented in Terrell. His mother, Hetty Green, was a quaker that had learned about the stock market from her father. She was, at one time, the richest woman in the U.S. She rarely bought or changed her clothes nor spent much on anything else except making money and became known as the "wicked witch of Wall Street". Ned married a showgirl because he was as good at getting rid of money as his mother was at making it. After Hetty Green died, Charles Crumbaugh settled her estate and the Texas Midland eventually was sold to the Southern Pacific, although Ned Green's business car is on display along the abandoned Texas Midland right of way in Terrell, TX.
 
the bad little Crumbaugh boys near the beginning Johann Conradt Crumbaugh and some relatives most likely got off the boat near Philadelphia in 1765. He wasn't yet 16, so he didn't sign the ship's passenger list. He ended up near Frederick, MD and married Margaret Seidemann. All the eleven children were born there and several of them married there before going to Ohio, Kentucky, and Illinois. The main ones staying in MD were part of the tribe of brother Simon and brother David. Many of the cemetery stones are in very fine shape, except for the very earliest, near Walkersville and Woodsboro. This is a civil war forum and several of the brother Simon tribe went to a Union meeting in Frederick, Maryland at Christian Barrick's hotel; probably a relative. Simon had only two sons: Gideon D. and John D. Gideon later migrated to LeRoy,IL after a stop in Ohio. One of his sons, Charles D.C. died at the St. Louis, MO. barracks of the greatest Civil War killer: disease. John D. had a son, John S., who left home to go to Gettysburg college before the war. He later became a minister and teacher at Lancaster. He died relatively young leaving only his wife and one son: Dr. John W. C. who later lived at Wilmington, Delaware. Dr. John later went to Lancaster, PA and visited with a former slave, Nelson Williams, who had belonged to his grandfather: John D in Maryland. Part of this came from Eva C. Grizzelle's notes on family history, the Friend's Intelligencer and a thesis of Dr. Max L. Grivno. John D.C. bought Nelson as a young boy and told him that if he was a good servant that he would give him his freedom when his two and a half year son was twenty one. Nelse was soon able to drive a six horse team. When the time came, Nelse asked if he had been a good servant and John D.C. had to admit that he had but hated to break up the farming since his son John S. was still away and said that he could sell him for $1,000 right away. And that he wanted Nelse to go to Liberia. Nelse told him that he had promised that he would free him and that if he was going to command where he should live and what he should do, he just as well remain his servant. Finally, John D. told him that he would go to Frederick, MD and get the papers drawn up and that Nelse should go next day to pick them up. He said that you colored people get so trifling when you're free that he didn't want him to get in trouble because John D. would be responsible for it. The next day, John D. asked Nelse where he was going to. Nelse said Liberia. He told Nelse that he really didn't want him to go to Liberia, but to remain in the neighborhood and recommended someone for him to work for. Nelse was later interviewed by the grandson, Dr. John W.C., and found that Nelse had accumulated $125,000 by working over thirty years for a lumber company and had lived near Lancaster, PA where Nelse had found his mother living in freedom after leaving MD.
 
Anyone who thinks this is boring is a moron :)

Don't stop.....somewhere someone is going to be Googling and find something important in all your information. It's more fun than a barrel of monkeys--and just proves what I always tell the kids. EVERYONE is related or has a connection to some famous folks if they just look hard enough. It's a small world!

Thank you for posting all this!
 
Thanks Nathan and others. None of the family were famous or infamous. But some of them sure had the knack of being in the right place at the wrong time, or the right time, to witness a little piece of history.
 

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