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Tomorrow, June 3rd is Jefferson Davis Birthday. Which is still a State Holiday here in Alabama and is celebrated on Monday the 6th. No matter what side of the fence you're on, you still have to admit that Jefferson Davis was a Great American Statesman.
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you still have to admit that Jefferson Davis was a Great American Statesman

Sorry, but I have to disagree.

"These higher law preachers should be tarred and feathered, and whipped by those they have thus instigated. This, my friend, is what is called in good old revolutionary times, Lynch Law. It is sometimes the very best law, because it deals summary justice upon those who would otherwise escape from all other kinds of punishment. The man who with sycophantic face and studied phrase, and with assumed philosophic morality, preaches treason to the Constitution and the dictates of all human society, is a fit object for a Lynch law that would be higher than any he could urge."

- Jefferson Davis, New York, October 19, 1858

Source: http://www.confederatepastpresent.o...of-abolitionists&catid=41:the-gathering-storm
Not a statesman in my eyes.
 
"Governments rest on the consent of the governed, and that it is the right of the people to alter or abolish them at will whenever they become destructive of the ends for which they were established." Jefferson Davis

Since Jefferson Davis was skilled in all of the affairs of running a government he would certainly be considered a Statesman. If he, or any other Statesman could have found a way to avoid all of the killing that the Civil War brought, then I would consider him "Great".

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Sorry, but I have to disagree.

"These higher law preachers should be tarred and feathered, and whipped by those they have thus instigated. This, my friend, is what is called in good old revolutionary times, Lynch Law. It is sometimes the very best law, because it deals summary justice upon those who would otherwise escape from all other kinds of punishment. The man who with sycophantic face and studied phrase, and with assumed philosophic morality, preaches treason to the Constitution and the dictates of all human society, is a fit object for a Lynch law that would be higher than any he could urge."

- Jefferson Davis, New York, October 19, 1858

Source: http://www.confederatepastpresent.o...of-abolitionists&catid=41:the-gathering-storm
Not a statesman in my eyes.

"From the seeds of narrow sectionality and purblind fanaticism, have sprung the tares which threaten the principles of that declaration which made the colonies independent States, and of that compact by which the States were united by a bond to-day far more valuable than when it was signed. You have among you politicians of a philosophic turn, who preach a high morality; a system of which they are the discoverers, and it is to be hoped will long remain the exclusive possessors. They say, it is true the Constitution dictates this, the Bible inculcates that; but there is a higher law than those, and call upon you to obey that higher law of which they are the inspired givers. [Laughter and applause.] Men who are traitors to the compact of their fathers – men who have perjured the oaths they have themselves taken – they who wish to steep their hands in the blood of their brothers; these are the moral law-givers who proclaim a higher law than the Bible, the Constitution, and the laws of the land. This higher law doctrine, it strikes me, is the most convenient one I ever heard of for the criminal. You, no doubt, have a law which punishes a man for stealing a horse or a bale of goods. But the thief would find more convenient a higher law which would justify him in keeping the stolen goods. The doctrine is now advanced to you only in its relation to property of the Southern States, thus it is the pill gilded, to conceal its bitterness; but it will re-act deeply upon yourselves if you accept it. What security have you for our own safety if every man of vile temper, of low instincts, of base purpose, can find in his own heart a higher law than that which is the rule of society, the Constitution, and the Bible? These higher law preachers should be tarred and feathered, and whipped by those they have thus instigated. This, my friend, is what is called in good old revolutionary times, Lynch Law. It is sometimes the very best law, because it deals summary justice upon those who would otherwise escape from all other kinds of punishment. The man who with sycophantic face and studied phrase, and with assumed philosophic morality, preaches treason to the Constitution and the dictates of all human society, is a fit object for a Lynch law that would be higher than any he could urge."

http://www.confederatepastpresent.o...of-abolitionists&catid=41:the-gathering-storm
 
"From the seeds of narrow sectionality and purblind fanaticism, have sprung the tares which threaten the principles of that declaration which made the colonies independent States, and of that compact by which the States were united by a bond to-day far more valuable than when it was signed. You have among you politicians of a philosophic turn, who preach a high morality; a system of which they are the discoverers, and it is to be hoped will long remain the exclusive possessors. They say, it is true the Constitution dictates this, the Bible inculcates that; but there is a higher law than those, and call upon you to obey that higher law of which they are the inspired givers. [Laughter and applause.] Men who are traitors to the compact of their fathers – men who have perjured the oaths they have themselves taken – they who wish to steep their hands in the blood of their brothers; these are the moral law-givers who proclaim a higher law than the Bible, the Constitution, and the laws of the land. This higher law doctrine, it strikes me, is the most convenient one I ever heard of for the criminal. You, no doubt, have a law which punishes a man for stealing a horse or a bale of goods. But the thief would find more convenient a higher law which would justify him in keeping the stolen goods. The doctrine is now advanced to you only in its relation to property of the Southern States, thus it is the pill gilded, to conceal its bitterness; but it will re-act deeply upon yourselves if you accept it. What security have you for our own safety if every man of vile temper, of low instincts, of base purpose, can find in his own heart a higher law than that which is the rule of society, the Constitution, and the Bible? These higher law preachers should be tarred and feathered, and whipped by those they have thus instigated. This, my friend, is what is called in good old revolutionary times, Lynch Law. It is sometimes the very best law, because it deals summary justice upon those who would otherwise escape from all other kinds of punishment. The man who with sycophantic face and studied phrase, and with assumed philosophic morality, preaches treason to the Constitution and the dictates of all human society, is a fit object for a Lynch law that would be higher than any he could urge."

http://www.confederatepastpresent.o...of-abolitionists&catid=41:the-gathering-storm

Did you post anything there that mitigates the fact that he's advocating lynch law? For practicing free speech? What kind of "statesman" is that?
 
Well, happy birthday, Jeff! He was very popular in the North - did a speaking tour through there - and had Mississippi not seceded he might have been president instead of Lincoln. There's something to ponder! :x3:

What would you base that on? Considering he was in the Senate at the time Lincoln was elected, had the opportunity to, and didn't run. I suppose there's a remote possibility that without secession he could have eventually been president, but certainly he wouldn't have been president instead of Lincoln. He didn't even consider running.
 

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