Logistics: Grant vs Pemberton

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After Port Gibson, Grant was on the Mississippi side of the river with an army of about 28,000 men. His supply line was a road on the other side of the river about 40 miles long. Supplies would then be ferried across the river at Bruinsburg and carried an additional 10 miles to Port Gibson. Total length of supply line: 50 miles.

Pemberton sent about 10,000 reinforcements to Bowen, who had withdrawn across Bayou Pierre. Total army size 18,000 troops, total supply line length was about 25 miles.

Grant of course turned Bowen with a rapid march on Grindstone Ford, rendering Bowen's position untenable and forcing the army to withdraw across the Big Black. But even before Grant crossed Bayou Pierre, Pemberton sent a message to his commanders telling them that if they do not have the numbers to effectively crush Grant that they were to withdraw across the Big Black because it would be too difficult to supply them.

Why was Pemberton unable to support an army in the field 25 miles away? Lack of wagons? Lack of forage? Lack of imagination? Lack of backbone? 😃
 
After Port Gibson, Grant was on the Mississippi side of the river with an army of about 28,000 men. His supply line was a road on the other side of the river about 40 miles long. Supplies would then be ferried across the river at Bruinsburg and carried an additional 10 miles to Port Gibson. Total length of supply line: 50 miles.

Pemberton sent about 10,000 reinforcements to Bowen, who had withdrawn across Bayou Pierre. Total army size 18,000 troops, total supply line length was about 25 miles.

Grant of course turned Bowen with a rapid march on Grindstone Ford, rendering Bowen's position untenable and forcing the army to withdraw across the Big Black. But even before Grant crossed Bayou Pierre, Pemberton sent a message to his commanders telling them that if they do not have the numbers to effectively crush Grant that they were to withdraw across the Big Black because it would be too difficult to supply them.

Why was Pemberton unable to support an army in the field 25 miles away? Lack of wagons? Lack of forage? Lack of imagination? Lack of backbone? 😃
Great question. Since I am not an expert on the Vicksburg Campaign, I am going to watch this thread closely. (At least I will learn something.)
 
Great question. Interestingly, I've been working along these same lines and I've not landed on a military reason why he felt he couldn't. There were definitely impediments to overcome but not insurmountable. I'm left with the notion that those difficulties provided Pemberton the justifications he needed to get behind the Big Black River. I do think sufficient wagon transportation would have been difficult to organize and Pemberton had historically relied on the railroads up to that point so it wasn't difficult to convince himself he couldn't resupply his mobile force.
 
The US supply situation improved considerably once the Confederates vacated Grand Gulf. After that supplies only had to come down the river that far. There may have been a second run of transports past the batteries in early May, and that may have provided salt, sugar, coffee and some other supplies.
However, Grant's supply situation was difficult too. Rations were short and the soldiers were emptying the countryside of everything edible especially poultry. By the time the siege of Vicksburg was established the soldiers were yelling at Grant for hardtack, and he had to reassure them that everything was being unloaded at docks on Yazoo and a road was being laid out for their commissary needs.
 
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The centers for wagon manufacturing were in Cincinnati and in Philadelphia. Mules are produced by a natural process which cannot be accelerated. By 1863 the evidence points to the Confederate armies being short on wagons and mules, in all sectors.
 
Great question. Interestingly, I've been working along these same lines and I've not landed on a military reason why he felt he couldn't. There were definitely impediments to overcome but not insurmountable. I'm left with the notion that those difficulties provided Pemberton the justifications he needed to get behind the Big Black River. I do think sufficient wagon transportation would have been difficult to organize and Pemberton had historically relied on the railroads up to that point so it wasn't difficult to convince himself he couldn't resupply his mobile force.
Pemberton seems to have been out to prove that he wasn't a Northern sympathizer more than he wanted to develop a strategy and win battles to stop the Union campaign.
 
Pemberton seems to have been out to prove that he wasn't a Northern sympathizer more than he wanted to develop a strategy and win battles to stop the Union campaign.
You are undoubtedly correct. To add some context to your thought, after he had been metaphorically tarred and feathered in South Carolina I think JCP was acutely hypersensitive to civ-mil relations and that made him hesitant to impose military necessity on Mississippi's civilian population. Guidance from Richmond did nothing to improve that, resulting in JCP issuing GO 63:

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My point being that he didn't think he had the authority to impress wagons and/or rations from the civilian population and whatever deficits he had in the QM and Commissary prevented him from supplying his force in the field. Constraints not felt by Grant.

**I'm curious to know why his DMEL GO 63 wasn't published until a month after CSA GO 31 & 33. Any thoughts?
 
You are undoubtedly correct. To add some context to your thought, after he had been metaphorically tarred and feathered in South Carolina I think JCP was acutely hypersensitive to civ-mil relations and that made him hesitant to impose military necessity on Mississippi's civilian population. Guidance from Richmond did nothing to improve that, resulting in JCP issuing GO 63:

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My point being that he didn't think he had the authority to impress wagons and/or rations from the civilian population and whatever deficits he had in the QM and Commissary prevented him from supplying his force in the field. Constraints not felt by Grant.

**I'm curious to know why his DMEL GO 63 wasn't published until a month after CSA GO 31 & 33. Any thoughts?
In addition, the enslaved population of that area was not likely to be co-operative with the Confederates. And parts of the white population of Mississippi had developed a resistance movement.
 
You are undoubtedly correct. To add some context to your thought, after he had been metaphorically tarred and feathered in South Carolina I think JCP was acutely hypersensitive to civ-mil relations and that made him hesitant to impose military necessity on Mississippi's civilian population. Guidance from Richmond did nothing to improve that, resulting in JCP issuing GO 63:

View attachment 539891

My point being that he didn't think he had the authority to impress wagons and/or rations from the civilian population and whatever deficits he had in the QM and Commissary prevented him from supplying his force in the field. Constraints not felt by Grant.

**I'm curious to know why his DMEL GO 63 wasn't published until a month after CSA GO 31 & 33. Any thoughts?
No thoughts EXCEPT that regarding impressing supplies en route to market Pemberton could have legitimately claimed that an emergency existed. I don't have anything on the timing.
 
After Port Gibson, Grant was on the Mississippi side of the river with an army of about 28,000 men. His supply line was a road on the other side of the river about 40 miles long. Supplies would then be ferried across the river at Bruinsburg and carried an additional 10 miles to Port Gibson. Total length of supply line: 50 miles.

Pemberton sent about 10,000 reinforcements to Bowen, who had withdrawn across Bayou Pierre. Total army size 18,000 troops, total supply line length was about 25 miles.

Grant of course turned Bowen with a rapid march on Grindstone Ford, rendering Bowen's position untenable and forcing the army to withdraw across the Big Black. But even before Grant crossed Bayou Pierre, Pemberton sent a message to his commanders telling them that if they do not have the numbers to effectively crush Grant that they were to withdraw across the Big Black because it would be too difficult to supply them.

Why was Pemberton unable to support an army in the field 25 miles away? Lack of wagons? Lack of forage? Lack of imagination? Lack of backbone? 😃

This is the battle that Pemberton presence was definitely needed. Of course, that's easier to see in hindsight.

Initially —and I stress initially— the key here is not so much about the Big Black but about Bayou Pierre. Pemberton knew that regardless of the outcome of Port Gibson, Grant had to be held below Bayou Pierre.

Earlier in April, before Grant crossed at Bruinsburg, Bowen had been ordered to survey the area south of Grand Gulf. Why Bowen did not examine the line of Bayou Pierre thoroughly enough to be aware of its potential crossings is beyond me. He appears to have been completely ignorant of Grindstone, and probably should have at least constructed (or at least asked for) slight works to be constructed at these crossings. But if nothing else, to at least have been aware of them.

As well, Pemberton had previously ordered Lockett to construct Tete-de-ponts at several locations along the south and east bank of Big Black — including one at Hankinson' Ferry. This would have better enabled troops to operate against Grant along the Bayou Pierre in the event of a crossing of the Mississippi below Grand Gulf. But Grant's quick actions prevented the Confederates from constructing the one at Hankinson's (only the one at the RR Bridge was completed— and only partially so.)

Further, there was only one bridge across Big Black in the area located at Hankinson — a single, narrow pontoon bridge. Moving both troops and supplies across such a narrow bridge created huge bottlenecks, making it inefficient to move and supply troops south of Big Black in a time of emergency. Also, the presence of Union naval vessels on the Mississippi made this bridge vulnerable, as one of the vessels could easily push up the Big Black and destroy it, trapping whatever troops there were on the South side.

Without these things it made Pemberton's ability to supply troops across the Big Black for more than 3 or 4 days difficult and dangerous. Besides, the city of Vicksburg and keeping the RR open was the center of gravity in Pemberton's mind anyway. Supplying troops too risky, especially without an already fortified line along the Bayou Pierre.

Additionally, not long after the battle of Port Gibson, the telegraph line was destroyed, cutting timely communications off between Bowen and Pemberton. Before the telegraph break, Pemberton had stressed that Bowen hold the line of the Bayou Pierre, promising reinforcements.

This was only Bowen's second battle as an overall commander. As we know, Bowen's capability as a tactical fighter was superior — especially when he was within arms length of the enemy. But when he was not in the direct presence of the enemy, as he was while briefly holding the Bayou Pierre after the fight, his confidence tended to wane and his imagination to grow wild (or it seems to me).

With the loss of direct communication with Pemberton or Vicksburg, he became wholly isolated. He then began to vastly overestimated Grant's army across the Bayou and perhaps panicked, forcing him to overthink things and to completely neglect potential crossings of Bayou Pierre on his left flank.

Bowen's inexperience made holding the Bayou Pierre impossible.

It didn't help that it was Loring who showed up with limited reinforcements on the night of (I think) May 2. It was Loring who informed Bowen that he had left his flank at Grindstone Ford completely open. This must have come as a blow to Bowen's already shaken confidence. With Bowen undoubtedly inflating Grant's numbers to Loring, the deal was done. It seems clear that Loring did not have the will to try and hold Grant south of the Bayou Pierre, especially against inflated numbers provided by Bowen.

(We also know with reasonable certainty that Loring despised Pemberton. It is my belief that Loring began to poison Bowen's mind about Pemberton's legitimacy that night. For it is after the Port Gibson defeat that the rumors that Pemberton was a traitor suddenly became widespread among the troops —a rumor that would grow to a crescendo by the time of the Battle of Big Black. I have a hunch this rumor was allowed to trickle down from Loring's officers and fester among the troops. It probably began that night. But that's just my conjecture.)

Nevertheless, from that point forward, horse-bound messages between Bowen/Loring and Vicksburg from the line of the Bayou Pierre became erratic and often contradictory. Some messages indicated uncertainty as to what to do with Grand Gulf. Other messages indicated their retreat would be toward Rocky Springs, others across Hankinson, some indicating both directions. In reality, the decision to retreat across Big Black was not solely Pemberton's. I don't think Pemberton disagreed with the decision, although he probably wished that they could have retreated via Rocky Springs. But I can't recall for sure.
 
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This is the battle that Pemberton presence was definitely needed. Of course, that's easier to see in hindsight.

Initially —and I stress initially— the key here is not so much about the Big Black but about Bayou Pierre. Pemberton knew that regardless of the outcome of Port Gibson, Grant had to be held below Bayou Pierre.

Earlier in April, before Grant crossed at Bruinsburg, Bowen had been ordered to survey the area south of Grand Gulf. Why Bowen did not examine the line of Bayou Pierre thoroughly enough to be aware of its potential crossings is beyond me. He appears to have been completely ignorant of Grindstone, and probably should have at least constructed (or at least asked for) slight works to be constructed at these crossings. But if nothing else, to at least have been aware of them.

As well, Pemberton had previously ordered Lockett to construct Tete-de-ponts at several locations along the south and east bank of Big Black — including one at Hankinson' Ferry. This would have better enabled troops to operate against Grant along the Bayou Pierre in the event of a crossing of the Mississippi below Grand Gulf. But Grant's quick actions prevented the Confederates from constructing the one at Hankinson's (only the one at the RR Bridge was completed— and only partially so.)

Further, there was only one bridge across Big Black in the area located at Hankinson — a single, narrow pontoon bridge. Moving both troops and supplies across such a narrow bridge created huge bottlenecks, making it inefficient to move and supply troops south of Big Black in a time of emergency. Also, the presence of Union naval vessels on the Mississippi made this bridge vulnerable, as one of the vessels could easily push up the Big Black and destroy it, trapping whatever troops there were on the South side.

Without these things it made Pemberton's ability to supply troops across the Big Black for more than 3 or 4 days difficult and dangerous. Besides, the city of Vicksburg and keeping the RR open was the center of gravity in Pemberton's mind anyway. Supplying troops too risky, especially without an already fortified line along the Bayou Pierre.

Additionally, not long after the battle of Port Gibson, the telegraph line was destroyed, cutting timely communications off between Bowen and Pemberton. Before the telegraph break, Pemberton had stressed that Bowen hold the line of the Bayou Pierre, promising reinforcements.

This was only Bowen's second battle as an overall commander. As we know, Bowen's capability as a tactical fighter was superior — especially when he was within arms length of the enemy. But when he was not in the direct presence of the enemy, as he was while briefly holding the Bayou Pierre after the fight, his confidence tended to wane and his imagination to grow wild (or it seems to me).

With the loss of direct communication with Pemberton or Vicksburg, he became wholly isolated. He then began to vastly overestimated Grant's army across the Bayou and perhaps panicked, forcing him to overthink things and to completely neglect potential crossings of Bayou Pierre on his left flank.

Bowen's inexperience made holding the Bayou Pierre impossible.

It didn't help that it was Loring who showed up with limited reinforcements on the night of (I think) May 2. It was Loring who informed Bowen that he had left his flank at Grindstone Ford completely open. This must have come as a blow to Bowen's already shaken confidence. With Bowen undoubtedly inflating Grant's numbers to Loring, the deal was done. It seems clear that Loring did not have the will to try and hold Grant south of the Bayou Pierre, especially against inflated numbers provided by Bowen.

(We also know with reasonable certainty that Loring despised Pemberton. It is my belief that Loring began to poison Bowen's mind about Pemberton's legitimacy that night. For it is after the Port Gibson defeat that the rumors that Pemberton was a traitor suddenly became widespread among the troops —a rumor that would grow to a crescendo by the time of the Battle of Big Black. I have a hunch this rumor was allowed to trickle down from Loring's officers and fester among the troops. It probably began that night. But that's just my conjecture.)

Nevertheless, from that point forward, horse-bound messages between Bowen/Loring and Vicksburg from the line of the Bayou Pierre became erratic and often contradictory. Some messages indicated uncertainty as to what to do with Grand Gulf. Other messages indicated their retreat would be toward Rocky Springs, others across Hankinson, some indicating both directions. In reality, the decision to retreat across Big Black was not solely Pemberton's. I don't think Pemberton disagreed with the decision, although he probably wished that they could have retreated via Rocky Springs. But I can't recall for sure.
Good information @alan polk. I didn't know or at least didn't remember that there was animosity between Loring and Bowen.
 
This is the battle that Pemberton presence was definitely needed. Of course, that's easier to see in hindsight.

Initially —and I stress initially— the key here is not so much about the Big Black but about Bayou Pierre. Pemberton knew that regardless of the outcome of Port Gibson, Grant had to be held below Bayou Pierre.

Earlier in April, before Grant crossed at Bruinsburg, Bowen had been ordered to survey the area south of Grand Gulf. Why Bowen did not examine the line of Bayou Pierre thoroughly enough to be aware of its potential crossings is beyond me. He appears to have been completely ignorant of Grindstone, and probably should have at least constructed (or at least asked for) slight works to be constructed at these crossings. But if nothing else, to at least have been aware of them.

As well, Pemberton had previously ordered Lockett to construct Tete-de-ponts at several locations along the south and east bank of Big Black — including one at Hankinson' Ferry. This would have better enabled troops to operate against Grant along the Bayou Pierre in the event of a crossing of the Mississippi below Grand Gulf. But Grant's quick actions prevented the Confederates from constructing the one at Hankinson's (only the one at the RR Bridge was completed— and only partially so.)

Further, there was only one bridge across Big Black in the area located at Hankinson — a single, narrow pontoon bridge. Moving both troops and supplies across such a narrow bridge created huge bottlenecks, making it inefficient to move and supply troops south of Big Black in a time of emergency. Also, the presence of Union naval vessels on the Mississippi made this bridge vulnerable, as one of the vessels could easily push up the Big Black and destroy it, trapping whatever troops there were on the South side.

Without these things it made Pemberton's ability to supply troops across the Big Black for more than 3 or 4 days difficult and dangerous. Besides, the city of Vicksburg and keeping the RR open was the center of gravity in Pemberton's mind anyway. Supplying troops too risky, especially without an already fortified line along the Bayou Pierre.

Additionally, not long after the battle of Port Gibson, the telegraph line was destroyed, cutting timely communications off between Bowen and Pemberton. Before the telegraph break, Pemberton had stressed that Bowen hold the line of the Bayou Pierre, promising reinforcements.

This was only Bowen's second battle as an overall commander. As we know, Bowen's capability as a tactical fighter was superior — especially when he was within arms length of the enemy. But when he was not in the direct presence of the enemy, as he was while briefly holding the Bayou Pierre after the fight, his confidence tended to wane and his imagination to grow wild (or it seems to me).

With the loss of direct communication with Pemberton or Vicksburg, he became wholly isolated. He then began to vastly overestimated Grant's army across the Bayou and perhaps panicked, forcing him to overthink things and to completely neglect potential crossings of Bayou Pierre on his left flank.

Bowen's inexperience made holding the Bayou Pierre impossible.

It didn't help that it was Loring who showed up with limited reinforcements on the night of (I think) May 2. It was Loring who informed Bowen that he had left his flank at Grindstone Ford completely open. This must have come as a blow to Bowen's already shaken confidence. With Bowen undoubtedly inflating Grant's numbers to Loring, the deal was done. It seems clear that Loring did not have the will to try and hold Grant south of the Bayou Pierre, especially against inflated numbers provided by Bowen.

(We also know with reasonable certainty that Loring despised Pemberton. It is my belief that Loring began to poison Bowen's mind about Pemberton's legitimacy that night. For it is after the Port Gibson defeat that the rumors that Pemberton was a traitor suddenly became widespread among the troops —a rumor that would grow to a crescendo by the time of the Battle of Big Black. I have a hunch this rumor was allowed to trickle down from Loring's officers and fester among the troops. It probably began that night. But that's just my conjecture.)

Nevertheless, from that point forward, horse-bound messages between Bowen/Loring and Vicksburg from the line of the Bayou Pierre became erratic and often contradictory. Some messages indicated uncertainty as to what to do with Grand Gulf. Other messages indicated their retreat would be toward Rocky Springs, others across Hankinson, some indicating both directions. In reality, the decision to retreat across Big Black was not solely Pemberton's. I don't think Pemberton disagreed with the decision, although he probably wished that they could have retreated via Rocky Springs. But I can't recall for sure.
This is purely going by memory, but I thought Bowen knew of Grindstone Ford and ordered a brigade to it but in the chaos the orders were bungled. Then Tilghman arrived, found the bridge unprotected and XVII skirmishers on the north side and left the troops he had with him to contest the crossing. Tilghman had orders to take command of Tracy's Brigade, so he reported to Bowen and apprised him of the threat and the brigade originally ordered to the ford were sent and met Tilghman's retreating men in the vicinity of Ingraham's where they deployed and again contested the XVII corps progress.
 
The animosity was actually between Loring and Pemberton. I think Loring attempted to bring Bowen into the conspiracy (for a lack of a better word) against Pembe
The animosity was actually between Loring and Pemberton. I think Loring attempted to bring Bowen into the conspiracy (for a lack of a better word) against Pemberton.
The clarification is appreciated!
 
This is purely going by memory, but I thought Bowen knew of Grindstone Ford and ordered a brigade to it but in the chaos the orders were bungled. Then Tilghman arrived, found the bridge unprotected and XVII skirmishers on the north side and left the troops he had with him to contest the crossing. Tilghman had orders to take command of Tracy's Brigade, so he reported to Bowen and apprised him of the threat and the brigade originally ordered to the ford were sent and met Tilghman's retreating men in the vicinity of Ingraham's where they deployed and again contested the XVII corps progress.
If I recall correctly, AW Reynolds brigade, Stevenson's division was ordered to Grindstone ford but they got lost, wandered around a bit and returned to Hankinson's.
 

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