Ebenezer creek

[dvrmte]

Totally off topic, but I'd very much like to have hunted hogs with you. I can do without the 'gators and snakes.

Sherman made his marches at the right time of the year; passing through the swamps of Ga and SC before the majority of critters came out of hibernation.(kinda back on topic)

I once hunted the remains of old rice fields in the Savannah National Wildlife Refuge during the March archery and shotgun season. I had no idea what I was getting into. We used my boat to hunt the islands in the Savannah River. On the first day I took my bow, without a sidearm. I expected to be able to climb a tree if the hogs went on the offensive. It turned out since vegetation didn't grow under the few trees in the old rice fields and the cypress trees don't have a fine enough roots system to form a mat to support human weight, if you stepped in the wrong place you'd be in mud up to your armpits or worse. The dikes surrounding the old fields were the only place you could safely walk, of course that's where the gators and hogs like to hang out as well. In some areas the grass was over head high and visibility was only a few feet. I took my shotgun the next day.

What you see in the distance are the cranes above Savannah used to unload shipping containers. The waterway is a canal, dug by slaves. To either side of the canal is the dike. The slightly lower areas to the left and right of the canal are the rice fields. Are there hogs off in that grass?

When the tide drops, Indian and Colonial Period artifacts are everywhere. You can only look because it's unlawful to remove them.

 

[Republican Blues]

Sherman made his marches at the right time of the year; passing through the swamps of Ga and SC before the majority of critters came out of hibernation.(kinda back on topic)

I once hunted the remains of old rice fields in the Savannah National Wildlife Refuge during the March archery and shotgun season. I had no idea what I was getting into. We used my boat to hunt the islands in the Savannah River. On the first day I took my bow, without a sidearm. I expected to be able to climb a tree if the hogs went on the offensive. It turned out since vegetation didn't grow under the few trees in the old rice fields and the cypress trees don't have a fine enough roots system to form a mat to support human weight, if you stepped in the wrong place you'd be in mud up to your armpits or worse. The dikes surrounding the old fields were the only place you could safely walk, of course that's where the gators and hogs like to hang out as well. In some areas the grass was over head high and visibility was only a few feet. I took my shotgun the next day.

What you see in the distance are the cranes above Savannah used to unload shipping containers. The waterway is a canal, dug by slaves. To either side of the canal is the dike. The slightly lower areas to the left and right of the canal are the rice fields. Are there hogs off in that grass?

When the tide drops, Indian and Colonial Period artifacts are everywhere. You can only look because it's unlawful to remove them.

That is right up the road from me. The cranes are just south of me. right at the edge of Garden City and right outside of Port Wentworth.

 

[diane]

Sherman's men had quite a walk, I'll say. One thing I remember about that area, and around Charleston, was a very distinctive smell! Is it still that way? It's got a real beauty all its own, though.

 

[K Hale]

Sherman's men had quite a walk, I'll say. One thing I remember about that area, and around Charleston, was a very distinctive smell! Is it still that way? It's got a real beauty all its own, though.

LOL... What kind of smell??

 

[dvrmte]

That is right up the road from me. The cranes are just south of me. right at the edge of Garden City and right outside of Port Wentworth.

My cousin lives between Statesboro and Savannah.

 

[dvrmte]

Sherman's men had quite a walk, I'll say. One thing I remember about that area, and around Charleston, was a very distinctive smell! Is it still that way? It's got a real beauty all its own, though.

LOL... What kind of smell??

Low Country funk! It's a mixture of freshwater swamp gas and saltwater marsh gas, quite a distinctive smell. Swamp poots.

 

[PartywithArty]

Low Country funk! It's a mixture of freshwater swamp gas and saltwater marsh gas, quite a distinctive smell. Swamp poots.

Haha!!! SWAMP POOTS!

 

[Battalion]

I posted the link to what he said. Do you need assistance?

You haven't posted any links on this thread.

 

[cash]

You haven't posted any links on this thread.

I did. You actually have to look at the thread.

 

[Battalion]

I did. You actually have to look at the thread.

I did. You haven't posted any links on this thread.

 

[Battalion]

The highlighted part is by the author of the article
( http://www.historynet.com/betrayal-at-ebenezer-creek.htm )
- not Kerr. Where does Kerr say that refugees were shot and slashed?

 

[Battalion]

The highlighted part is by the author of the article
( http://www.historynet.com/betrayal-at-ebenezer-creek.htm )
- not Kerr. Where does Kerr say that refugees were shot and slashed?

The fact is...you don't have any eyewitness accounts of what you claim. It's all BS.

 

[cash]

I did. You haven't posted any links on this thread.

The link is on the thread. If you don't see it, it's not my problem. I put the food on the table. I'm not going to cut it and prechew it for you.

 

[dvrmte]

The link is on the thread. If you don't see it, it's not my problem. I put the food on the table. I'm not going to cut it and prechew it for you.

I don't see where Kerr actually stated that he saw Wheeler. Rather that the shots from his carbines began to tell upon the masses. He doesn't say he saw people dieing from gunshots but that in their panic they rushed to the creek.

 

[Battalion]

Sherman to Halleck 12 January 1865:

"...that ****-and-bull story of my turning back negroes that Wheeler might kill them is all humbug. I turned nobody back. Jeff. C. Davis did at Ebenezer Creek forbid certain plantation slaves- old men, women, and children-to follow his column; but they would come along and he took up his pontoon bridge, not because he wanted to leave them, but because he wanted his bridge.
He and Slocum both tell me they don't believe Wheeler killed one of them...."

http://cdl.library.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/moa/pageviewer?frames=1&cite=http://cdl.library.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/moa/moa-cgi?notisid=ANU4519-0099&coll=moa&view=50&root=/moa/waro/waro0099/&tif=00038.TIF&pagenum=36

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Sherman's Memoirs-

"...On the occasion referred to, the bridge was taken up from Ebenezer Creek while some of the camp-followers remained asleep on the far ther side, and these were picked up by Wheeler's cavalry. Some of them, in their fright, were drowned in trying to swim over, and others may have been cruelly killed by Wheeler's men, but this was a mere supposition...."

http://www.sonshi.com/sherman22.html

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Wheeler's report, Savannah Campaign, 24 December 1864-

"...On the night December 8 we shelled the camp of the Fourteenth Corps with good effect, throwing the corps into confusion and causing it to leave camp at midnight, abandoning clothing, arms. &c. By breaking up the camp during the extreme darkness a great many negroes were left in our hands, whom we sent back to their owners. We also captured three wagons and teams, and caused the enemy to burn several more wagons. The whole number of negroes captured from the enemy during the movement was nearly 2,000...."

[url]http://cdl.library.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/moa/pageviewer?frames=1&cite=http://cdl.library.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/moa/moa-cgi?notisid=ANU4519-0092&coll=moa&view=50&root=/moa/waro/waro0092/&tif=00430.TIF&pagenum=410[/URL]

Sherman slaughtered 50,000 Southern civilians.

All I need do is suppose it...and that makes it so.

 

[cash]

I don't see where Kerr actually stated that he saw Wheeler. Rather that the shots from his carbines began to tell upon the masses. He doesn't say he saw people dieing from gunshots but that in their panic they rushed to the creek.

I don't recall claiming Wheeler himself was on the scene, just Wheeler's men. I take shots beginning to tell upon the masses means they were being shot at and some were struck by the bullets, causing them to fall and others to flee.

 

[Battalion]

I don't recall claiming Wheeler himself was on the scene, just Wheeler's men. I take shots beginning to tell upon the masses means they were being shot at and some were struck by the bullets, causing them to fall and others to flee.

Being caught in a crossfire between two contending armies is one thing...
...intentionally "shot and slashed" is another.

 

[cash]

Being caught in a crossfire between two contending armies is one thing...
...intentionally "shot and slashed" is another.

As one can see from what Col Kerr said, he wasn't talking about a crossfire.