General Lee Fought A Purely Defensive War And Did Not Invade The North Twice

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A great book to read is How Robert E. Lee Lost The Civil War by historian Edward H. Bonekemper III, which was published in 1997.

Bonekemper makes a persuasive case that if Lee had fought a purely defensive war and conserved manpower and resources then the South had a very good chance of winning the Civil War. Bonekemper argues that the Confederacy's most important strategic objective for the war should have been ensuring that Lincoln lost the 1864 election...by creating a war of attrition, denying the Union Army major victories, and thereby causing Northern morale to plummet and forcing a new Democratic government in the North to negotiate an end to the war.

None of this happened....mainly because of Lee's disastrous losses at Antietam and Gettysburg, Sherman's capture of Atlanta, and the devastating surrender at Vicksburg. If Lee had done a better job of conserving Southern manpower in the East, then perhaps more manpower could have been deployed via railroad to the West to prevent the disasters at Atlanta and Vicksburg.

Lee actually demonstrated his skill as a defensive general during 1864. Union casualties in the East in 1864 were massive compared to Southern casualties. If the Confederacy had fought trench style warfare during the entire war like they did in 1864, then it's very possible Lincoln would have lost the 1864 election, which he won by a small margin in reality.

With a new Democratic President in the North like George McClellan in 1865, it's very possible that the North sues for peace and the Confederacy wins the war.
 
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There has never been a shortage of armchair generals describing how history could/should have been changed.
The problem with this proposal is that Lee could only have defended Virginia and the Confederacy consisted of more than Virginia.
The historical fact is Lee did a decent job of defending Virginia, but while he was succeeding in defending Virginia, what was happening to the rest of the Southern States that made up the CSA?
How many Southern states provided Lee with the armies required to defend Virginia?
How did that affect those states in their attempts to defend themselves from Union advances?
 
There has never been a shortage of armchair generals describing how history could/should have been changed.
The problem with this proposal is that Lee could only have defended Virginia and the Confederacy consisted of more than Virginia.
What you are overlooking is that Jefferson Davis considered Lee his most important military advisor and sought Lee's advise regarding what to do in the Western theater several times, including in May 1863 about two months before Vicksburg surrendered and before Lee's second invasion of the North, which ultimately led to the disaster at Gettysburg.

Lee was a poor strategic general who always prioritized Virginia over the rest of the Confederacy. It was also Jefferson Davis' shortcoming as President of the Confederacy to defer to Lee's judgement way too often.

The historical fact is Lee did a decent job of defending Virginia, but while he was succeeding in defending Virginia, what was happening to the rest of the Southern States that made up the CSA?
How many Southern states provided Lee with the armies required to defend Virginia?
Geez....A LOT! Lee's Army of Northern Virginia consisted of thousands of soldiers from virtually every Southern state.

How did that affect those states in their attempts to defend themselves from Union advances?
These are strategic questions that had to be answered by Davis and Lee. And neither one of them were up to the task.
 
What you are overlooking is that Jefferson Davis considered Lee his most important military advisor and sought Lee's advise regarding what to do in the Western theater several times, including in May 1863 about two months before Vicksburg surrendered and before Lee's second invasion of the North, which ultimately led to the disaster at Gettysburg.

Lee was a poor strategic general who always prioritized Virginia over the rest of the Confederacy. It was also Jefferson Davis' shortcoming as President of the Confederacy to defer to Lee's judgement way too often.


Geez....A LOT! Lee's Army of Northern Virginia consisted of thousands of soldiers from virtually every Southern state.


These are strategic questions that had to be answered by Davis and Lee. And neither one of them were up to the task.
I feel sorry for Lee - the Confederate logistical network simply couldn't sustain his army. I think he wrote in his September 1862 letter to Jefferson Davis that although he could threaten Washington, he lacked the provisions necessary to remain where he was. Lee also noted the poor condition of the army's transportation, animals, clothing, and shoes. Same in 1863. There were serious shortages of food and forage and Lee had to detach much of Longstreet's corps to southeastern Virginia to obtain supplies.

However, I know Lee also wanted to destroy Union morale by winning a victory on Northern soil.

So, overall, Lee went north partly because Virginia could no longer comfortably feed his army, but he chose to go north rather than simply relocate elsewhere because doing so simultaneously solved his logistical problem and created strategic opportunities against the Union.
 
The idea of "Conserving manpower and resources" that's so prevalent as a criticism of Lee seems to fundamentally misunderstand black powder warfare and project 2IR/20th c. norms backward in accordance of the silly 'first modern war, foreshadowed WWI' meme. These concepts also seem to misunderstand the nature of Civil War casualties.

Lee certainly could have been more judicious at times, but skimming off fifteen thousand dead and irrecoverable wounded is a drop in the bucket; while "casualties" are often treated as a synonym for "dead" or "losses," most wounded recovered. The Gettysburg Campaign was largely a disaster, but the biggest loss Lee suffered in clashes like Antietam and Chancellorsville was in the quality and offensive power of his army from dead officers and veterans, not basic quantity.

As much as the Confederacy was strapped for manpower, its extremely aggressive mobilization of men meant that was probably its point of least inferiority to the Union. Having more warm bodies doesn't help Western troop transfers because supporting Vicksburg was a monumentally inefficient effort after losing Corinth, and even the continuous rail lines to Chattanooga were unable to provide the enlarged Army of Tennessee with the wagons to actually have any sort of mobility with all that infantry. Sending up the infantry pushed the single-track line to its limit, to the point the Army of Tennessee was hardly less hungry than the Army of the Cumberland when starting the Siege of Chattanooga.

The main source of permanent loss in the war was dead from sick, and death from sickness grows when armies are concentrated in small spaces for prolonged period of time, disease spreads more easily, the quality and quantity of local forage depletes with according consequences for the men's condition, etc. Beauregard bemoaned that his month-long staring contest around Corinth cost more dead than the Battle of Shiloh.

Strictly defensive operations introduce more dead overall, amplify Confederate inferiorities in logistics, artillery, and engineering capacity on top of that, and necessarily consume more powder and ammunition that were in short supply.

But even more important than a strictly defensive war failing to preserve men is that it also fails to preserve resources. Far more important than the armies themselves is the destruction that protracted campaigns inflict on one's own territory, disrupting harvests and making it impossible to feed a very large force in a given area anyway.

Short, sharp, at least tactically successful campaigns offered the slowest all-cause degradation of Confederate manpower, reduced the Union's most crushing advantages, and minimized the destruction and disruption imposed on the regions that needed to be productive if Confederate armies were to be fed.

It's no coincidence that the ultimate success of the Overland Campaign and crossing of the James was Grant forcing Lee into static defense, and Lee striving desperately to avoid that. In the world where the Civil War had a strategic, logistical, and economic primacy of the defense that some seem to imagine, Lee and Grant must both have been fools fighting directly opposite to their interests.

As far as comparative casualties in the Overland Campaign go, the casualty ratio actually degenerated against Lee during the Siege of Petersburg. In the Overland Campaign, it can be said that Grant was an excellent strategist and demonstrated excellent maneuver, but his tactics were not great and he produced a lot of his casualties resorting to tactical solutions too quickly. When Grant lacked the numbers to attack at North Anna and exhausted his offensive capacity for assault at Cold Harbor, he just continued making progress by flanking Lee out of his positions, and he could have gotten the same ultimate result with fewer casualties if he just attacked less and maneuvered more.

Hell, when the Union started to develop better assault methods, the Mule Shoe assault at Spotsylvania produced basically equal losses on both sides and was at least an attritional defeat for Lee.

As far as preserving manpower and resources goes, the Confederate fantasy isn't "fighting a trench war" but doing the Heartland Offensive over and over again - run around Union territory gathering forage, keep Confederate territory from being depleted, and get out of dodge without too much risk or loss. Unfortunately for Lee, McClellan and Meade were a lot better than Buell, so bellum didn't get to ipsum alet.

But it's also hard to find a much better alternative than going into Maryland after Second Bull Run.

The Union had gathered massive numbers of disorganized and demoralized troops and was bringing in reinforcements, the border counties were picked clean and Lee couldn't maintain a strong defense at the line of the Rappahannock. Lee could either go into Maryland and try to exploit the chaotic condition of the Union armies, or withdraw into the interior of Virginia while the timetable of Union strategic offensive operations accelerates six weeks. This would prevent Lee from rebuilding his strength by Fredericksburg as he historically achieved, despite Antietam, and would also be able to disrupt the critical autumn harvest that made fighting on the line of the Rappahannock in strength practical.

Lee certainly executed the Maryland Campaign badly, but it wasn't the concept of going into Union territory that was wrong. A man and horse in Maryland don't need far more calories they do loitering in the Shenandoah, and it has the benefit of taking them from Maryland instead. The only downside of operating on Union territory is the risk of fighting an unfavorable battle, which Bragg did dodge once but Lee failed to avoid twice; but he at least obtained desperately-needed forage, wagons, and animals in his second try.
 
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Johnston tried this and gets excoriated for it. There's a lot of country to the right and left flanks of any confederate army that can be assembled.
Reasonable and well-executed as his retreats were, it must also be said that his constant retreats saw him lose as many men to desertion for no result as Lee took dead and wounded to save Richmond in the Seven Days. Preserving a volunteer army in a manner by which it does not wish to be preserved is no good.
 
A great book to read is How Robert E. Lee Lost The Civil War by historian Edward H. Bonekemper III, which was published in 1997.

Bonekemper makes a persuasive case that if Lee had fought a purely defensive war and conserved manpower and resources then the South had a very good chance of winning the Civil War. Bonekemper argues that the Confederacy's most important strategic objective for the war should have been ensuring that Lincoln lost the 1864 election...by creating a war of attrition, denying the Union Army major victories, and thereby causing Northern morale to plummet and forcing a new Democratic government in the North to negotiate an end to the war.

None of this happened....mainly because of Lee's disastrous losses at Antietam and Gettysburg, Sherman's capture of Atlanta, and the devastating surrender at Vicksburg. If Lee had done a better job of conserving Southern manpower in the East, then perhaps more manpower could have been deployed via railroad to the West to prevent the disasters at Atlanta and Vicksburg.

Lee actually demonstrated his skill as a defensive general during 1864. Union casualties in the East in 1864 were massive compared to Southern casualties. If the Confederacy had fought trench style warfare during the entire war like they did in 1864, then it's very possible Lincoln would have lost the 1864 election, which he won by a small margin in reality.

With a new Democratic President in the North like George McClellan in 1865, it's very possible that the North sues for peace and the Confederacy wins the war.
This smacks of Monday morning quarterbacking. No one knew in 1861 how long the war would last, and most thought it would be over well before 1864. It takes someone with a crystal ball (or a self important historian who thinks he knows better than Lee), to think a strategy based on just dragging out the war until 1864 and then hope Lincoln loses to a peace candidate is a good one to adopt in 1861. Ridiculous. Bonekemper, who is really more a government lawyer than a historian, writes this because it almost happened, so he thinks if they tried to do this from the start, maybe it would have worked out better. Classic fallacy of working back from the result.

From what I can gather Lee thought the best chance of winning was to win fast, as the CSA could not compete with the USA in a war of attrition. And he was right. So he took big gambles hoping for a big payoff. This was a very logical theory in 1861.
 
Shelby Foote summed this up, " The Union fought the war with one arm tied behind its back." Had the fighting gone differently, the other arm would have been freed & the result would have been the same.

Lee knew that breaking Union civilian morale was the only the only way to achieve independence. In his view, only aggressive tactics could deliver the kind of military success that would achieve that objective.
 
I think that if Lee doesn't cross the Potomac in 1862 or 1863 there's a good chance the situation in Virginia is better for the Confederates in late 1864.

But the problem for the Confederates is the war wasn't only being fought in Virginia. Short of wrecking the AotP and forcing substantial reinforcements to be permanently transferred from points farther west thus stalling offensives by Grant, Rosecrans, and Sherman, Lee can't stop the loss of Tennessee, Vicksburg, or Atlanta.

Gettysburg was a calculated choice, both for logistical reasons as well as swinging for a knockout blow and trying to relieve pressure on Vicksburg. It was probably the wrong decision, but an understandable one.

The Maryland Campaign was a different matter. It's simultaneous with the Kentucky Campaign and Lee is riding a series of victories, and a wave of momentum, that has taken the ANV from the gates of Richmond to the Potomac. The Confederacy still has dreams of their own Saratoga - a victory that brings European support and possibly recognition. In hindsight, both Kentucky and Maryland were futile, possibly hopeless, yet it's hard to imagine the Confederacy not undertaking them under the circumstances in which they found themselves.

Johnston tried this and gets excoriated for it. There's a lot of country to the right and left flanks of any confederate army that can be assembled.

Johnston's strategy was correct. The problem was his execution. He failed to find opportunities to launch counterattacks, which were a critical part of the strategy.
 
This smacks of Monday morning quarterbacking. No one knew in 1861 how long the war would last, and most thought it would be over well before 1864.
Then this is poor strategic planning by Lee and Davis.

On what planet does any Southerner realistic believe they are going to destroy the much larger Union army and force them to surrender prior to the 1864 election?

Other armies and countries have won wars facing longer odds -- see the American Revolution, for instance. The American colonists faced much longer odds against the British than the South did facing the North. Washington was a much better strategic thinker than Lee and Davis were.

It takes someone with a crystal ball (or a self important historian who thinks he knows better than Lee), to think a strategy based on just dragging out the war until 1864 and then hope Lincoln loses to a peace candidate is a good one to adopt in 1861.
Really? That is the only chance that the South had.

How is invading the North twice with an inferior army going to win the war? Under any realistic circumstances?

Ridiculous. Bonekemper, who is really more a government lawyer than a historian, writes this because it almost happened, so he thinks if they tried to do this from the start, maybe it would have worked out better. Classic fallacy of working back from the result.

From what I can gather Lee thought the best chance of winning was to win fast, as the CSA could not compete with the USA in a war of attrition. And he was right. So he took big gambles hoping for a big payoff. This was a very logical theory in 1861.
Lee took big gambles and ensured the South's defeat.
 
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Then this is poor strategic planning by Lee and Davis.

On what planet does any Southerner realistic believe they are going to destroy the much larger Union army and force them to surrender prior to the 1864 election?

Other armies and countries have won wars facing longer odds -- see the American Revolution, for instance. The American colonists faced much longer odds against the British than the South did facing the North. Washington was a much better strategic thinker than Lee and Davis were.


Really? That is the only chance that the South had.

How is invading the North twice with an inferior Army going to win the war? Under any realistic circumstances?


Lee took big gambles and ensured the South's defeat.
You mistake the strategy. The goal was to break the will of northern people to carry on the war. Destroying a large US army would have been nice, but in the end Lee was hoping to show the US that defeating the CSA was a fools errand. And I'd say if forces in the west had been as successful as he had been in the east, then this might have worked. So from that perspective, he did his job. Its another shortsightedness of Bonekeemper (but consistent with his wafer thin analysis from what I have read from him) to think Lee is the CSA and just ignore the west. The fact is, Lee did defend Virginia throughout the war and what secured Lincoln's re-election was victories by the western armies.
 
I think that if Lee doesn't cross the Potomac in 1862 or 1863 there's a good chance the situation in Virginia is better for the Confederates in late 1864.
That would definitely have been true.

But the problem for the Confederates is the war wasn't only being fought in Virginia. Short of wrecking the AotP and forcing substantial reinforcements to be permanently transferred from points farther west thus stalling offensives by Grant, Rosecrans, and Sherman, Lee can't stop the loss of Tennessee, Vicksburg, or Atlanta.
This is why conserving Lee's army was so important -- so soldiers from the Army of Northern Virginia could have been transferred West via railroad. Which is exactly what the South did in August 1863 before the Battle of Chickamauga and to great success.

Imagine if Lee and Davis had done the same thing for Vicksburg and prevented that disaster.

Lee and Davis were too Virginia-centric to understand the importance of the Western theater, especially Lee.

Gettysburg was a calculated choice, both for logistical reasons as well as swinging for a knockout blow and trying to relieve pressure on Vicksburg. It was probably the wrong decision, but an understandable one.
There was no realistic "knockout blow" by invading the North. Even if the South wins at Gettysburg....so what? They definitely don't win the war because of that.

The only realistic way to relieve pressure on Vicksburg was to send thousands of troops to Mississippi via railroad, which didn't happen because Lee advised Davis not to do that.

The Maryland Campaign was a different matter. It's simultaneous with the Kentucky Campaign and Lee is riding a series of victories, and a wave of momentum, that has taken the ANV from the gates of Richmond to the Potomac. The Confederacy still has dreams of their own Saratoga - a victory that brings European support and possibly recognition. In hindsight, both Kentucky and Maryland were futile, possibly hopeless, yet it's hard to imagine the Confederacy not undertaking them under the circumstances in which they found themselves.



Johnston's strategy was correct. The problem was his execution. He failed to find opportunities to launch counterattacks, which were a critical part of the strategy.
Johnston failed to find opportunities because Sherman fought a very smart campaign. If Johnston had more troops -- which was impossible after Lee's disasters at Antietam and Gettysburg -- the outcome would have been much different. Sherman's progress would have been much slower.
 
On what planet does any Southerner realistic believe they are going to destroy the much larger Union army and force them to surrender prior to the 1864 election?
The planet we live on, obviously.

American society as a whole in 1861 had a conception of warfare that can be summarized as a caricature of Napoleon, untempered by any cultural or institutional experience of the difficulty of waging mass warfare or any rigorous grasp of the technical methods that made Napoleon's victories possible.

It was not understood in American culture then and is often not appreciated now that the wars before Napoleon were much closer to the slow-going indecision that emerged in the Civil War precisely because Napoleon's brilliance existed within a perfect confluence of other factors that made his hyper-decisive mode of warfare possible. Civil War indecision and the appearance of a primacy of the defense reflected the norms of the indecisive wars before Napoleon, and was imposed by the deficiencies of the armies and difficulty of operating in American geography; not by new technology or trench warfare. The greatest expression of this lack of understanding is that the Civil War's return to indecisive patterns of past, similar wars overlooked in favor of associating the Civil War with the completely alien conflict that broke out in Europe 50 years later.

This is a common view today in large part because it was the prevailing view then.

Just read John Pope's absurd, militarily insane proclamation that Edwin Stanton ghostwrote for him when he came East. Lincoln repeatedly expressed views that can be summarized as, 'The war would be over if only I had a general who'd go beat Lee, and the only reason the army can't destroy him is that the generals have robbed the men of offensive spirit with their talk of strategy and logistics.' Davis was worse.

Look at Joe Johnston's army voting with their feet, repaying his preserving them from battle casualties by deserting en masse. It was not even really culturally possible for the Confederacy to wage the sort of war you propose with the middlingly disciplined volunteer armies it had to fight with, ignoring that it was also militarily and economically unsound.

I mean, your point forms a circle that refutes itself; Southerners clearly believed strongly enough that they would be able to win a Napoleonic victory in the field enough to try to do so a dozen times. Modern audiences often still adhere to this silly romanticism, agreeing with Lincoln that McClellan, Burnside, Meade, and Hooker could have destroyed Lee in one grand battle if only they had more gumption (despite Grant having larger numeric advantages, greater talent, etc and not destroying Lee in two months of battle).

Other armies and countries have won wars facing longer odds -- see the American Revolution, for instance. The American colonists faced much longer odds against the British than the South did facing the North. Washington was a much better strategic thinker than Lee and Davis were.
The condition of the American South was in every conceivable way worse compared to the Revolutionaries, which is apparent with even a rudimentary grasp of both conflicts.

For one, actual British deployments were dwarfed by geography and smaller than continental forces. The Union could and did occupy the South while also putting larger forces into the field against Southern armies. Britain opposed Continental armies with smaller forces and left the rest of the country a void to be filled by continental militias.

The socioeconomics of the American South were totally incompatible with the Fabian war waged by the Revolutionaries. Colonial America was a regionally self-sufficient agrarian society where New York, Philadelphia, and so on bore no special significance. The semi-industrialized Southern economy had established some level of centralization, specialization, and rail dependency.

Losing the rail village of Corinth hurt the Confederacy more than losing the capital hurt the Revolutionaries. The poor layout of the Confederate rail system, which could not be corrected in wartime, left them with exposed vital points from Petersburg to Chattanooga to Corinth to New Orleans, half of which fell in the first few months of major operations.

Then there's the problem of the slave economy. Wherever Union troops temporarily took hold, the labor that drove the economy evaporated; or even became soldiers for the enemy. Saying that the Confederates should have fought like George Washington is like supposing that Chiang Kai-Shek could have beaten Mao by resorting to guerrilla warfare.

The Confederacy could not give terrain freely in practically any place without devastating consequences to the wider economy, and they had too few wagons and animals to realistically expect to regain anything lost. Even if they did regain something lost, a brief Union occupation still ruins it for the slave economy.

They could not wage a war of fixed positions, which exposed their inferiority in industry far more badly than the battles Lee fought; Vauban wrote about the ways a better-equipped army defeats a "trench war" about 200 years before the conflict.

The only war they could fight was a war of maneuver.

There is also the small detail that there were no Franco-Spanish armies, navies, and treasuries to win the Confederacy's war for them.

Really? That is the only chance that the South had.

How is invading the North twice with an inferior Army going to win the war? Under any realistic circumstances?


Lee took big gambles and ensured the South's defeat.
Lee took big gambles, yes. But nothing he ever lost was sufficient to prevent Southern defeat in general. Viewed from a mile up, correcting all of Lee's real errors would just be rearranging chairs on the Titanic.
 
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"Failure to Inculcate strategic coherence & tactical philosophy had a debilitating effect eventually leading to disaster."

Is the conclusion reached by professional military & military historians. The Confederacy never had coherent strategy. Without that victory was impossible.

This principle goes back to the Romans. Clausewitz states unequivocally that battles have to be fought for clear strategic objectives. In stark contrast to Virginia's strategically isolated battles, Grant engaged in campaigns. As Lincoln put it so well, "If you can't skin, hold a leg." Once in command, Grant fought a coordinated continental war.

That is why this tactical victory or setback was unimportant except as continuation of the overarching strategic objectives. That in stark contrast to the down the soda straw focus on this attack or another so popular amonst our Virginia-Centric friends.

The fact of the matter is that with Grant in command it really did not matter what Jefferson Davis may have ordered. Grant / Lincoln had the will, intellect & raw power to prevail no matter what.

Note: The myth that General Lee was the èminence grise who managed Jefferson Davis' military decisions is a post war construct. The Southern Historical Society's campaign to uplift Lee to demigod "Marble Man" status did not occur in Lee's lifetime. The Confederate military was divided into 23 distinct field armies. The exact number of military departments is difficult to nail down.

Due to the ever morphing nature of boundaries under Davis' arbitrary command somewhere (+/-) 40 at any given time is the best estimate of the number of military departments.

As Davis' correspondence with Lee clearly indicates, his influence was as just one of (+/-) 63 departmental & army commanders at any given time.

No greater example of Lee's limited influence is Davis' dismissive rejection of the plan for the Pennsylvania incursion. Lee was left with nothing more than an unsupported raid, not the strategic campaign he had envisioned.

With far more authority & quotes from Lee's letters James McPherson documents the sequence of events leading to Lee's raid into Pennsylvania & its aftermath. Read more here.

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The planet we live on, obviously.

American society as a whole in 1861 had a conception of warfare that can be summarized as a caricature of Napoleon, untempered by any cultural or institutional experience of the difficulty of waging mass warfare or any rigorous grasp of the technical methods that made Napoleon's victories possible.

It was not understood in American culture then and is often not appreciated now that the wars before Napoleon were much closer to the slow-going indecision that emerged in the Civil War precisely because Napoleon's brilliance existed within a perfect confluence of other factors that made his hyper-decisive mode of warfare possible. Civil War indecision and the appearance of a primacy of the defense reflected the norms of the indecisive wars before Napoleon, and was imposed by the deficiencies of the armies and difficulty of operating in American geography; not by new technology or trench warfare. The greatest expression of this lack of understanding is that the Civil War's return to indecisive patterns of past, similar wars overlooked in favor of associating the Civil War with the completely alien conflict that broke out in Europe 50 years later.

This is a common view today in large part because it was the prevailing view then.
You're making my argument for me. You are saying that Lee and Davis had no strategic vision for winning the war.

And that is correct.

Just read John Pope's absurd, militarily insane proclamation that Edwin Stanton ghostwrote for him when he came East. Lincoln repeatedly expressed views that can be summarized as, 'The war would be over if only I had a general who'd go beat Lee, and the only reason the army can't destroy him is that the generals have robbed the men of offensive spirit with their talk of strategy and logistics.' Davis was worse.

Look at Joe Johnston's army voting with their feet, repaying his preserving them from battle casualties by deserting en masse. It was not even really culturally possible for the Confederacy to wage the sort of war you propose with the middlingly disciplined volunteer armies it had to fight with, ignoring that it was also militarily and economically unsound.
Massive retreats by Johnston's army would not have been necessary if Lee had not destroyed Confederate forces in two disastrous invasions of the North.

That is the point that you still fail to grasp.

I mean, your point forms a circle that refutes itself; Southerners clearly believed strongly enough that they would be able to win a Napoleonic victory in the field enough to try to do so a dozen times. Modern audiences often still adhere to this silly romanticism, agreeing with Lincoln that McClellan, Burnside, Meade, and Hooker could have destroyed Lee in one grand battle if only they had more gumption (despite Grant having larger numeric advantages, greater talent, etc and not destroying Lee in two months of battle).


The condition of the American South was in every conceivable way worse compared to the Revolutionaries, which is apparent with even a rudimentary grasp of both conflicts.
Not even close. The South had significant advantages that the American colonists did not possess, in terms of land, resources, manpower, and West Point military training among several Southern generals.

The Confederacy could not give terrain freely in practically any place without devastating consequences to the wider economy, and they had too few wagons and animals to realistically expect to regain anything lost. Even if they did regain something lost, a brief Union occupation still ruins it for the slave economy.
Nor would they have had to. If they had utilized trench warfare like Lee's Army did in 1864 and used interior lines to rapidly transfer Confederate forces between the Eastern and Western theaters of war.

They could not wage a war of fixed positions, which exposed their inferiority in industry far more badly than the battles Lee fought; Vauban wrote about the ways a better-equipped army defeats a "trench war" about 200 years before the conflict.

The only war they could fight was a war of maneuver.

There is also the small detail that there were no Franco-Spanish armies, navies, and treasuries to win the Confederacy's war for them.

Lee took big gambles, yes. But nothing he ever lost was sufficient to prevent Southern defeat in general. Viewed from a mile up, correcting all of Lee's real errors would just be rearranging chairs on the Titanic.
This is 100% categorically wrong. Lee ensured the Confederacy's defeat.
 
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How much did Antietam help in the polls?
Lee invaded Maryland, scaring the North, and after an inconclusive battle, withdrew.
If Lee had not invaded would the Northern morale/votes for Lincoln decline more? OR stay the same.
Same for Gettysburg.
What strikes me the most about the many months of trying to take Vicksburg is the monumental number of deaths and seriously ill from disease. How long did it take to recover from a disease like Malaria, Yellow Fever, Dystentary?
 
What you are overlooking is that Jefferson Davis considered Lee his most important military advisor and sought Lee's advise regarding what to do in the Western theater several times, including in May 1863 about two months before Vicksburg surrendered and before Lee's second invasion of the North, which ultimately led to the disaster at Gettysburg.

Lee was a poor strategic general who always prioritized Virginia over the rest of the Confederacy. It was also Jefferson Davis' shortcoming as President of the Confederacy to defer to Lee's judgement way too often.


Geez....A LOT! Lee's Army of Northern Virginia consisted of thousands of soldiers from virtually every Southern state.


These are strategic questions that had to be answered by Davis and Lee. And neither one of them were up to the task.
Where did you get the idea that I overlooked Davis and Lee's relationship?
It comes down to Logistics, it's always logistics.
and Geez.....If Davis and Lee needed armies from the other Southern states, how were those Southern States going to defend themselves?
The South had a limited rail system and the Union quickly took control of the river system.
In Short, the South had more space than they could possibly defend, on the other hand, the Union had the manpower to operated in every Southern state, patrol every Southern sea port, and control the river system, destroy most of the rail systems, occupy the major cities, and still defend DC and produce enough food to feed the citizens and provide sufficient grub for it's military.
So how is Lee "going on the defense" going to change anything?
 
You're making my argument for me. You are saying that Lee and Davis had no strategic vision for winning the war.

And that is correct.
Your point was, essentially, "how could Southerners believe in the delusion of a decisive field victory?" If this was indeed a delusion, it was one deeply embedded across American society as a whole at the time that guided many legitimately bad ideas on both sides.

If my point ended there, I would be making your argument for you. It is true that the Confederacy had little overarching strategy except for one or more successful battles of maneuver inflicting sufficient political shock to get the North to give up, but strategy flows from means. The Confederacy didn't have any means that could logically be applied in any way toward an ultimate expectation of victory; however bad their inferiority in manpower was, their inferiority in everything else but bales of cotton was far worse.

Strategically wise, rational leaders would simply have never fought the war.
Massive retreats by Johnston's army would not have been necessary if Lee had not destroyed Confederate forces in two disastrous invasions of the North.

That is the point that you still fail to grasp.
I don't intend to be disrespectful, but there is no other way to say this; you do not have even the faintest grasp of how armies in this era were formed, sustained, moved, or how they fought.

Consider that from the aftermath of the Seven Days to the final days of the Petersburg, the Confederacy as a whole consistently afforded Lee about 60-80,000 men. Virginia and North Carolina alone afforded Lee about 55,000 men on the eve of Third Petersburg, counting Pickett's command. Do you think this is just a coincidence of new recruits and recovering wounded arriving almost perfectly in tune with his rate of loss?

No; the real explanation is that mere availability of bodies wasn't the main bottleneck for Confederate deployments. The main bottleneck was the availability of local agriculture, wagons and beasts of burden, ammunition, rail lines and rolling stock, which limited the forces that could be usefully deployed in a given locality, how long they could be deployed there, how readily they could move, and their ability to give battle.

The ability of a region to sustain large forces was a perishable asset; long-term concentrations of large forces destroy the ability of that area to support operations. This forced the Union to build a massive logistical apparatus to support their offensive campaigns, and forced Confederate armies to move or starve.

The best way this can be expressed is by asking, "What was the largest city in the Confederacy after the Fall of New Orleans?"

The camp of the Army of the Potomac. The second largest was, for the most part, the camp of the Army of Northern Virginia.

The idea of "trench warfare" as a way for the Confederacy to win is painfully naive and predicated on a failure to understand anything of military logistics in an agrarian, semi-industrialized society.

It's useful to look at what actually happened when the Confederacy did undertake a large cross-theater troop transfer; Longstreet came up to the Army of Tennessee with none of his wagons, no beasts of burden, little artillery arriving too late. The single-track railroad sustaining the Army of Tennessee was only able to ship up this pure infantry force by completely neglecting the transport of food, ammunition, and the pontoon bridges needed for a pursuit afterward; the mobility of that 60,000-man army was afterward crippled under its own unimpressive size.

Look at the difficulty Johnston had feeding and moving just 30,000 men in Mississippi in 1863; more men would have made his poor availability of forage, rolling stock, animals, and wagons even more severe, and the state of the Confederate transportation network did not make it possible to substantially increase the basic logistical capacity of operations in Mississippi.

Geography and logistics condemned the Union to win the West slowly, but they also condemned the South to lose it slowly.

In contrast, Confederate emphasis on Virginia was a circle; it was the only place they could fight with ambition and the only place the war could be lost quickly. Virginia had agriculture, industry, a large free and slave population, and multiple rail lines of both Confederate gauges. Confederate armies of 80,000+ could move like armies of 30,000 in Mississippi and armies of 60,000 in Georgia could only dream of, and this was not just a function of pushing more resources toward Virginia but a result of basic economic and logistical realities.

As the war dragged on, the Confederate economy and transportation network gradually collapsed; there was nothing Lee could have done or not done to fix the fact that the normal conduct of necessary economic activity meant that wear and tear on the rail system built up while the Confederacy did not have the industrial capacity to maintain or expand it. Compared to the mortal threat the Confederacy faced from the blockade and the breakdown of its rail network, fixating on a few thousand men here and a few thousand men there is painfully pedestrian.
Not even close. The South had significant advantages that the American colonists did not possess, in terms of land, resources, and West Point military training among several Southern generals.
The important thing in making points like this is to pose a comparative analysis.

The Confederates' total strength was 4x that of the Continentals, and the area of the Confederacy was 2.5x. Wonderful; they had more stuff and more space.

The Union's total wartime strength, however, was about 15x what Britain deployed in the American Revolution. Britain did not have the number of troops and the political will to occupy the Colonies in force, the Union did.

The Confederacy also didn't have France and Spain to win their war for them...
Nor would they have had to. If they had utilized trench warfare like Lee's Army did in 1864 and used interior lines to rapidly transfer Confederate forces between the Eastern and Western theaters of war.

This is 100% categorically wrong. Lee ensured the Confederacy's defeat.

Lastly, you fundamentally do not seem to understand military operations of this era in general, and particularly in relation to military engineering.

European armies had for centuries used fieldworks and conducted sieges just like those in the American Civil War. The methods for defeating them by regular approaches, a sort of spiritual predecessor to WWI 'bite-and-hold' methods, was an established aspect of military science for 200 years by this time.

This sort of contest of ammunition, logistics, and engineering is impossible for the industrially inferior side to win, which is why when Union armies began regular approaches (Warwick Line, Corinth, Fort Wagner, etc) Confederate armies retreated without fighting regardless of how they suffered for doing so, or undertook to counterattack and preempt the use of regular approaches (Seven Days).

But this usually isn't necessary. Grant may have suffered heavy losses attacking Lee's fieldworks in the Overland Campaign, but after an attack failed he defeated them simply by moving around and driving Lee closer and closer to Richmond.

There is no heavenly law that says a general who sees a line of trenches has to attack them and can't just go around. In many cases, Grant came upon a line of fieldworks Lee had thrown up and simply passed around them without attacking; Grant took casualties not because fortifications are a cheat code and the Civil War foreshadowed WWI, but because he aspired to destroy Lee in the open and win the war before the election and he took risks to try to do so.

As much as some insist otherwise, this was not WWI. The armies were far too small and the nation far too large to build an endless chain of trench networks and defend everything forever, and absent that feature, any defensive line could always be bypassed. If it couldn't be bypassed, the Union's overwhelming superiority in the means of siege warfare meant the defender could be gradually destroyed by bombardment, disease, and regular approaches that ultimately inflicted a far worse toll on the army than a short, sharp battle of maneuver, to say nothing of the impact on the local economy.

Lee did not launch the Seven Days to prevent the "regular siege of Richmond" instead of inviting said siege because fortifications are awesome because he lacked your intellect, but because he actually understood the basic characteristics of the warfare of the day and accurately grasped that the Confederacy could not win protracted positional contests.

Unfortunately, many hold very strong opinions of the American Civil War without having the faintest grasp of the warfare of the era.
 
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The historical fact is Lee did a decent job of defending Virginia, but while he was succeeding in defending Virginia, what was happening to the rest of the Southern States that made up the CSA?
How did that affect those states in their attempts to defend themselves from Union advances?
In reading Beauregard's memoirs he mentions how units were drawned from his department to support the ANV.
 

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