Proposed Invasion of Charleston harbor by the North

Then you don't really know why Anderson moved to Sumter do you..Moultrie was such an easy target S. Carolina or the crowds wouldn't think twice of trying to take it and thus starting a war.. By moving to Sumter, they would have to think twice before attempting to seize the works and thus stop a war from starting a war by hot heads...But, you seem to keep ignoring the fact that Anderson was the commander of all the Union forts, he had every right to move to any of them, even before authorization that gave him that right from Washington..Nothing you have posted directs him to stay where he is, while the order I showed gives him exactly that descretion...
 
So the aggressor would be the people who cut off food to men making a relief effort necessary...

So the aggressor would be the people who cut off food to men making a relief effort necessary...



I not sure I get you point, but I do think it a bit odd that any people, anywhere, would voluntarily supply food or anything else save, perhaps, a lead sandwich to anyone deemed an aggressor by them.

"Since the Constitution doesn't forbid the states to secede, the North found it necessary to violate the Constitution in order to suppress Southern independence. Lincoln was forced to usurp legislative powers by raising troops and money and by suspending the writ of habeas corpus; when Chief Justice Roger Taney ruled such acts unconstitutional, Lincoln wrote an order for Taney's arrest! He never followed through on that, but he did illegally arrest 31 antiwar members of the Maryland legislature and install a puppet government. He went on to crush freedom of speech and press throughout the North. Such was Lincoln's idea of 'preserving the Constitution' and government of the people, by the people, for the people."
Joseph Sobran
 
I not sure I get you point, but I do think it a bit odd that any people, anywhere, would voluntarily supply food or anything else save, perhaps, a lead sandwich to anyone deemed an aggressor by them.

"Since the Constitution doesn't forbid the states to secede, the North found it necessary to violate the Constitution in order to suppress Southern independence. Lincoln was forced to usurp legislative powers by raising troops and money and by suspending the writ of habeas corpus; when Chief Justice Roger Taney ruled such acts unconstitutional, Lincoln wrote an order for Taney's arrest! He never followed through on that, but he did illegally arrest 31 antiwar members of the Maryland legislature and install a puppet government. He went on to crush freedom of speech and press throughout the North. Such was Lincoln's idea of 'preserving the Constitution' and government of the people, by the people, for the people."
Joseph Sobran
My point is that if cut off food off to troops you are then forcing their government to bring food to them, so who was actually being the aggressor the ones bringing the food or the ones that cut off the food in the first place... So its going back to your quote "The aggressor in a war is not the first to use force but the first to make force necessary"

What you have to remember is that just a short time before these men were their countrymen and some were brother Southerners who swore an oath to serve their country and were in forts that were placed their for their benefit and protection.. Anderson had a deep love of the South and belived in slavery..In addition, at least one of these men would also serve the Confederacy, when the other states seceeded.. They were there doing their duty as they saw fit..

Most of the time the Southern governments had great sympathy for the plight of Anderson and his men and held them in high regard..
 
Did Scott get it wrong?...or did he get it right and let it slip out?-
(posted by Southland, p.14)

Re-supply?...or Re-enforce?


Official Records of the Civil War
SERIES: I VOLUME: I CAMPAIGN: Charleston SERIAL: 001 PAGE: 0236

HEADQUARTERS OF THE ARMY, Washington, D. C., April 4, 1861.
Lieutenant Colonel HENRY L. SCOTT, A. D. C., New York:
SIR: This letter will be landed to you by Captain G. V. Fox, ex-officer of the Navy, and a gentleman of high standing, as well as possessed of extraordinary nautical ability. He is charged by high authority here with the command of an expedition, under cover of certain ships of war, whose object is to re-enforce Fort Sumter.
To embark with Captain Fox you will cause a detachment of recruits, say about two hundred, to be immediately organized at Fort Columbus, with a competent number of officers, arms, ammunition, and subsistence. A large surplus of the latter-indeed, as great as the vessels of the expedition can take-with other necessaries, will be needed for the augmented garrison of Fort Sumter.
The subsistence and other supplies should be assorted like those which were provided by you and Captain Ward of the Navy for a former expedition. Consult Captain Fox and Major Eaton on the subject, and give all necessary orders in my name to fit out the expedition, except that the hiring of vessels will be left to others.
Some fuel must be shipped. Oil, artillery implements, fuses, cordage, slow-march, mechanical levers, and gins, &c., should also be put on board.
Consult, also, if necessary, confidentially, Colonel Tompkins and Major Thornton.
Respectfully, yours,
WINFIELD SCOTT. "
 
My point is that if cut off food off to troops you are then forcing their government to bring food to them, so who was actually being the aggressor the ones bringing the food or the ones that cut off the food in the first place... So its going back to your quote "The aggressor in a war is not the first to use force but the first to make force necessary"

What you have to remember is that just a short time before these men were their countrymen and some were brother Southerners who swore an oath to serve their country and were in forts that were placed their for their benefit and protection.. Anderson had a deep love of the South and belived in slavery..In addition, at least one of these men would also serve the Confederacy, when the other states seceeded.. They were there doing their duty as they saw fit..

Most of the time the Southern governments had great sympathy for the plight of Anderson and his men and held them in high regard..


What you need to remember is that at the time of the Fort Sumter crisis the seven Confederate States didn't look upon the occupiers of a fort in the harbor of a major port city as fellow countrymen – never mind that one of them later joined their ranks.

On another note, do you have any more information on your quote: "Why did not the Southern States wait and see whether A. Lincoln would interfere with slavery before they seceded. A federal Soldier's words left in Bennetsville, SC" I'm a native of Bennettsville, SC and am not familiar with it.

"The American people, North and South, went into the war as citizens of their respective states, they came out as subjects, and what they thus lost they have never gotten back."
H. L. Mencken
 
But, in fact, as noted many times on this board And this thread, Anderson had complete authorization to move his command any time he wanted, when, in his opinion, it became necessary.
If the gov't of SC thought Sec'y Hol'ts opinion on the ownership of Sumter, was wrong, or his reasoning faulty, the Constitution of the United States provides the means of determining such facts. That SC made no move to avail themselves of the Law, says all that needs to be said as to the confidence that state's leaders had in any 'Legal' case they could make.
The Historical Fact is, the right of unilateral secess has always been disputed, from the very beginning of Constitutional government itself and through all the years leading up to the CW itself. We have Pickens and Davis saying one thing and we have, Washington, Madison, Patrick Henry, Jackson, saying the opposite, concerning the 'legality' of unencumbered secession; whose intellectual and historical faculties are real students of history to trust?


P.S. Even if unencumbered secession, actually existed and it actually resided in the states, its implementation would still have to conform to the Constitution, i.e., it would have to be done through and by Constitutional procedures.
 
What you need to remember is that at the time of the Fort Sumter crisis the seven Confederate States didn't look upon the occupiers of a fort in the harbor of a major port city as fellow countrymen – never mind that one of them later joined their ranks.

On another note, do you have any more information on your quote: "Why did not the Southern States wait and see whether A. Lincoln would interfere with slavery before they seceded. A federal Soldier's words left in Bennetsville, SC" I'm a native of Bennettsville, SC and am not familiar with it.

"The American people, North and South, went into the war as citizens of their respective states, they came out as subjects, and what they thus lost they have never gotten back."
H. L. Mencken
Actually if you read what was being said about them, there was a lot of sympathy for them, and quite a few of them were looked at as fellow Southerners..When the first time food was cut off by S. Carolina some of the other seceeded states stepped in on the forts behalf to tell S. Carolina to reconsider and to treat the men with kindness..The only real one that had hatred directed towards him was Doubleday as he had the neve to actually vote for Lincoln in the election ..

It was scratched as graphiti somewhere, might have been a court house or jail .I read it years ago and just stuck with me..
 
Did Scott get it wrong?...or did he get it right and let it slip out?-
(posted by Southland, p.14)

Re-supply?...or Re-enforce?


Official Records of the Civil War
SERIES: I VOLUME: I CAMPAIGN: Charleston SERIAL: 001 PAGE: 0236

HEADQUARTERS OF THE ARMY, Washington, D. C., April 4, 1861.
Lieutenant Colonel HENRY L. SCOTT, A. D. C., New York:
SIR: This letter will be landed to you by Captain G. V. Fox, ex-officer of the Navy, and a gentleman of high standing, as well as possessed of extraordinary nautical ability. He is charged by high authority here with the command of an expedition, under cover of certain ships of war, whose object is to re-enforce Fort Sumter.
To embark with Captain Fox you will cause a detachment of recruits, say about two hundred, to be immediately organized at Fort Columbus, with a competent number of officers, arms, ammunition, and subsistence. A large surplus of the latter-indeed, as great as the vessels of the expedition can take-with other necessaries, will be needed for the augmented garrison of Fort Sumter.
The subsistence and other supplies should be assorted like those which were provided by you and Captain Ward of the Navy for a former expedition. Consult Captain Fox and Major Eaton on the subject, and give all necessary orders in my name to fit out the expedition, except that the hiring of vessels will be left to others.
Some fuel must be shipped. Oil, artillery implements, fuses, cordage, slow-march, mechanical levers, and gins, &c., should also be put on board.
Consult, also, if necessary, confidentially, Colonel Tompkins and Major Thornton.
Respectfully, yours,
WINFIELD SCOTT. "

Battallion how many times do we have cover the same ground, should I re-post the numerious other memos that say that it will be supplies only unless hostilities commence, then reinforcements will be sent in...How about the memo from the Confederate spy, or the leaks in Washington or heck even from Lincoln himself...
 
The related links section is a great resource ...
Orders pretaining to the Fox Expedition​
CHARLESTON, March 22, 1861.​
General L. P. WALKER:​
Special messenger from General Scott to learn Anderson's condition arrived last evening. Went back last night. Reports Anderson nearly out fuel and provisions. All my batteries will be finished and armed in two or three days. Can I have Boggs?​
G. T. BEAUREGARD.​
CHARLESTON, S. C., April 1, 1861.​
Honorable L. P. WALKER, Montgomery, Ala.:​
The following telegram just received from Commissioner Crawford: I am authorized to say that this Government will not undertake to supply Sumter without notice to you. My opinion is that the President has not the courage to execute the order agreed upon in Cabinet for the evacuation of the fort, but that he intends to shift the responsibility upon Major Anderson, by suffering him to be starved out. Would it not be well to aid in this by cutting off all supplies?​
CRAWFORD.​
Batteries here ready to open Wednesday or Thursday. What instructions? G. T. BEAUREGARD.​
WAR DEPARTMENT,​
Washington, D. C., April 4, 1861.​
Major ROBERT ANDERSON, U. S. Army:​
SIR: Your letter of the 1st instant occasions some anxiety to the President.​
On the information of Captain Fox he had supposed you could hold out till the 15th instant without any great inconvenience; and had prepared an expedition to relieve you before that period.​
Hoping still that you will be able to sustain yourself till the 11th or 12th instant, the expedition will go forward; and, finding your flag flying, will attempt to provision you, and, in case the effort is resisted, will endeavor also to re-enforce you. You will therefore hold out, if possible, till the arrival of the expedition.​
It is not, however, the intention of the President to subject your command to any danger or hardship beyond what, in your judgment, would be usual in military life; and he has entire confidence that you will act as becomes a patriot and soldier, under all circumstances.​
Whenever, if at all, in your judgment, to save yourself and command, a capitulation becomes a necessity, you are authorized to make it.​
Respectfully,​
SIMON CAMERON, Secretary of War.​
WAR DEPARTMENT, Washington,​
April 4, 1861.​
Captain G. V. FOX, Washington, D. C.: SIR: It having been decided to succor Fort Sumter you have been selected for this important duty. Accordingly you will take charge of the transports in New York having the troops and supplies on board to the entrance of Charleston Harbor, and endeavor, in the first instance, to deliver the subsistence. If you are opposed in this you are directed to report the fact to the senior naval officer of the harbor, who will be instructed by the Secretary of the Navy to use his entire force to open a passage, when you will, if possible, effect an entrance and place both troops and supplies in Fort Sumter.
I am, sir, very respectfully, your obedient servant,​
SIMON CAMERON,​
Secretary of War.​
WAR DEPARTMENT, ADJUTANT-GENERAL'S OFFICE,​
Washington, April 4, 1861.​
Colonel D. D. TOMPKINS,​
A. Q. M. G., Numbers 6 State street, New York:​
SIR: By direction of the Secretary of War you will charter such vessels as Captain G. V. Fox, the bearer of this, may designate; for such time and with such supplies as he may indicate.​
I am, sir, &c.,​
L. THOMAS, Adjutant-General.​
HEADQUARTERS OF THE ARMY,​
Washington, D. C., April 4, 1861.​
Lieutenant Colonel HENRY L. SCOTT, A. D. C., New York:​
SIR: This letter will be landed to you by Captain G. V. Fox, ex-officer of the Navy, and a gentleman of high standing, as well as possessed of extraordinary nautical ability. He is charged by high authority here with the command of an expedition, under cover of certain ships of war, whose object is to re-enforce Fort Sumter.​
To embark with Captain Fox you will cause a detachment of recruits, say about two hundred, to be immediately organized at Fort Columbus, with a competent number of officers, arms, ammunition, and subsistence. A large surplus of the latter-indeed, as great as the vessels of the expedition can take-with other necessaries, will be needed for the augmented garrison of Fort Sumter.​
The subsistence and other supplies should be assorted like those which were provided by you and Captain Ward of the Navy for a former expedition. Consult Captain Fox and Major Eaton on the subject, and give all necessary orders in my name to fit out the expedition, except that the hiring of vessels will be left to others.​
Some fuel must be shipped. Oil, artillery implements, fuses, cordage, slow-march, mechanical levers, and gins, &c., should also be put on board.​
Consult, also, if necessary, confidentially, Colonel Tompkins and Major Thornton. Respectfully, yours,​
WINFIELD SCOTT.​
NAVY DEPARTMENT,​
Washington, April 5, 1861.​
Captain SAMUEL MERCER,​
Commanding U. S. S. Powhatan, New York:​
SIR: The United States steamers Powhatan, Pocahontas, and Harriet Lane will compose a naval force, under your command, to be sent to the vicinity of Charleston, S. C., for the purpose of aiding in carrying out the objects of an expedition of which the War Department has charge.​
The primary object of the expedition is to provision Fort Sumter, for which purpose the War Department will furnish the necessary transports. Should the authorities at Charleston permit the fort to be supplied, no further particular service will be required of the force under your command, and after being satisfied that supplies have been received at the fort, the Powhatan, Pocahontas, and Harriet Lane will return to New York, and the Pawnee to Washington.​
Should the authorities at Charleston, however, refuse to permit or attempt to prevent the vessel or vessels having supplies on board from entering the harbor, or from peaceably proceeding to Fort Sumter, you will protect the transports or boats of the expedition in the object of their mission-disposing of your force in such manner as to open the way for their ingress and afford, so far as practicable, security to the men and boats, and repelling by force, if necessary, all obstructions towards provisioning the fort and re-enforcing it; for in case of resistance to the peaceable primary object of the expedition a re-enforcement of the garrison will also be attempted.
These purposes will be under the supervision of the War Department, which has charge of the expedition. The expedition has been intrusted to Captain G. V. Fox, with whom you will put yourself in communication, and co-operate with him to accomplish and carry into effect its object.​
You will leave New York with the Powhatan in time to be off Charleston Bar, ten miles distant from and due east of the light-house, on the morning of the 11th instant, there to await the arrival of the transport or transports with troops and stores. The Pawnee and Pocahontas will be ordered to join you there at the time mentioned, and also the Harriet Lane, which latter vessel has been placed under the control of this Department for this service. On the termination of the expedition, whether it be peaceable or otherwise, the several vessels under your command will return to the respective ports, as above directed, unless some unforeseen circumstance should prevent.​
I am, respectfully, your obedient servant,​
GIDEON WELLES, Secretary of the Navy.​
WAR DEPARTMENT,​
Washington, April 6, 1861.​
Captain THEO. TALBOT, Assistant Adjutant-General:​
SIR: You will proceed directly to Charleston, S. C., and if on your arrival there the flag of the United States shall be flying over Fort Sumter, and the fort shall not have been attacked, you will procure an interview with Governor Pickens, and read to him as follows:​
I am directed by the President of the United States to notify [you] to expect an attempt will be made to supply Fort Sumter with provisions only, and that if such attempt be not resisted, no effort to throw in provisions, arms, or ammunition will be made without further notice or in case of an attack upon the fort.
After you shall have read this to Governor Pickens, deliver to him the copy of it herein inclosed, and retain this letter yourself.​
But if on your arrival at Charleston you shall ascertain that Fort Sumter shall have been already evacuated or surrendered by the United States force, you will seek no interview with Governor Pickens, but return here forthwith.​
Respectfully, SIMON CAMERON,​
HEADQUARTERS OF THE ARMY,​
New York, April 6, 1861.​
Lieutenant CHARLES R. WOODS,​
Ninth Infantry, Act. Supt. East. Dept., R. S., Fort Columbus, N. Y.: SIR: The General-in-Chief desires that two hundred recruits from Fort Columbus be at once organized into two companies, and held in readiness for embarkation on Monday next, the 8th instant.​
A proper proportion of non-commissioned officers will be included in the detachment, which must be fully supplied with arms, ammunition, and subsistence.​
First Lieutenant Edward McK. Hudson, Fourth Artillery, First Lieutenant R. O. Tyler, Third Artillery, and Second Lieutenant C. W. Thomas, First Infantry, are assigned to duty with the recruits.​
I am, sir, very respectfully, your obedient servant,​
H. L. SCOTT, Lieutenant-Colonel and A. D. C., Act. Adjt. General​
WASHINGTON, April 6, 1861.​
Honorable A. G. MAGRATH,​
Charleston, S. C.:​
Positively determined not to withdraw Anderson. Supplies go immediately, supported by naval force under Stringham if their landing be resisted.
A FRIEND.​
[Indorsements.]​
To CHARLESTON OFFICE:​
The above is by a reliable man.​
CALDWELL.​
MONDAY, April 8. - Sent by James E. Harvey by telegraph last Saturday morning.​
CHARLESTON, April 6, 1861.​
L. P. WALKER:​
The following telegraph I have just received from Washington:​
Positively determined not to withdraw Anderson. Supplies go immediately, supported by a naval force under Stringham if their landing is resisted.​
A FRIEND.​
Governor and General Beauregard visiting the posts in the harbor, and will not be here for a few hours. In their absence I telegraphed to Washington to know who was the person signing himself "A Friend." The reply satisfies me that the person is high in the confidence of the Government at Washington. Mr. Wigfall, who is with me, concurs in the propriety of giving you notice of it without delay. A. G. MAGRATH.​
WASHINGTON, April 8, 1861.​
General G. T. BEAUREGARD:​
Accounts are uncertain, because of the constant vacillation of this Government. We were reassured yesterday that the status of Sumter would not be changed without previous notice to Governor Pickens, but we have no faith in them. The war policy prevails in the Cabinet at this hour.​
M. J. CRAWFORD.​
CHARLESTON, April 8, 1861.​
L. P. WALKER:​
Authorized messenger from Lincoln just informed Governor, Pickens and myself that provisions would be sent to Sumter peaceably, otherwise by force.​
G. T. BEAUREGARD.​
MONTGOMERY, April 8, 1861.​
General BEAUREGARD, Charleston:​
Under no circumstances are you to allow provisions to be sent to Fort Sumter.​
L. P. WALKER.​
CHARLESTON, April 8, 1861.​
Honorable L. P. WALKER:​
Anderson's provisions stopped yesterday. No answer from him. I am calling out balance of contingent troops. G. T. BEAUREGARD.​
HEADQUARTERS OF THE ARMY, New York, April 8, 1861.​
First Lieutenant EDWARD McK. HUDSON,​
Fourth Artillery, Commanding U. S. troops on the steamer Baltic:​
SIR: I am instructed by the General-in-Chief to say to you that the destination of the two hundred recruits embarked on the steamer Baltic is Fort Sumter, and that "Captain G. V. Fox, ex-officer of the Navy, and a gentleman-of high standing, as well as possessed of extraordinary nautical ability, has been charged by high authority in Washington with the command of the expedition, under cover of certain ships of war."​
You will accordingly be governed by the instructions of Captain Fox.​
I am, sir, very respectfully, your obedient servant,​
H. L. SCOTT, Lieutenant-Colonel and A. D. C., Act. Adjt. General​
 
APRIL 8, 1861.
"I am directed by the President of the United States to notify you to expect an attempt will be made to supply Fort Sumter with provisions only, and that if such attempt be not resisted no effort to throw in men, arms, or ammunition will be made without further notice, or in case of an attack upon the fort."
The above was communicated to us on the evening of April 8 by Robert S. Chew, esq., of the State Department in Washington, and Captain Talbot stated that it was from the President of the United States, as did Mr. Chew, and was delivered to him on the 6th instant at Washington, and this was read in their presence and admitted.
F. W. PICKENS.
G. T. BEAUREGARD.

MONTGOMERY, April 9, 1861.
General BEAUREGARD, Charleston:
Major Anderson's mails must be stopped. The fort must be completely isolated.
L. P. WALKER.

CHARLESTON, April 9, 1861.
L. P. WALKER:
The mails have already been stopped. G. T. BEAUREGARD.


STATE OF SOUTH CAROLINA,
Headquarters, April 9, 1861.
Honorable Mr. WALKER, Secretary of War:
SIR: At the request of General Beauregard I inclose the within. I took possession of the mails this morning from Sumter, and retained the packages marked "official." These are all sent you. The private letters are all sent, as directed, to their owners. I did this because I consider a state of war is now inaugurated by the authorities at Washington, and all information of a public nature was necessary to us. The mails and all intercourse of any kind with Sumter are now forbidden, and I immediately refused Captain Talbot any interview with Major Anderson, and also his request to be restored to his command in the fort. I called in General Beauregard, and made Captain Talbot and Mr. Chew repeat in his presence what they had said and what the former desired as to Sumter, and General Beauregard entirely and immediately concurred. You will see by these letters of Major Anderson how it is intended to supply the fort; but by God's providence we will, I trust, be prepared for them; and if they approach with war vessels also, I think you will hear of as bloody a fight as ever occurred. We now have three thousand seven hundred men at the different posts and batteries, and will have by to-morrow three thousand more, which I have called down. From my calculation, I think they will have about two thousand six hundred, and will attempt to land in launch-boats with 24 and 12 pounders, and it will probably be on the lower end of Morris Island, next the light-house. If so, we will have a fine rifle regiment to give them a cordial welcome from behind sand hills (that are natural fortifications), and two Dahlgren guns will be right on them, besides four 24-pounders in battery. I have four hundred fine Enfield rifles that have been practiced at nine hundred yards, and on that island, altogether, we have now one thousand nine hundred and fifty men, and are increasing it to-day.
There has just arrived on the bar a fine rifled cannon from Liverpool, of the latest maker (Blakely gun), an improvement upon Armstrong, of steel rolls or coils, with an elevation of seven and one-half degrees to a mile. It throws a shell or twelve-pound shot with the accuracy of a dueling-pistol, and only one and one-half pounds of powder. Such, they write me, is this gun, and I hope to have it in position to-night. We expect the attack about 6 o'clock in the morning, on account of the tide.
Very respectfully, F. W. PICKENS.


MONTGOMERY, April 10, 1861.
General BEAUREGARD, Charleston:
If you have no doubt of the authorized character of the agent who communicated to you the intention of the Washington Government to supply Fort Sumter by force you will at once demand its evacuation, and if this is refused proceed, in such manner as you may determine, to reduce it. Answer.
L. P. WALKER.

CHARLESTON, April 10, 1861.
L. P. WALKER:
The demand will be made to-morrow at 12 o'clock.
G. T. BEAUREGARD,
Brigadier-General.

MONTGOMERY, April 10, 1861.
General BEAUREGARD, Charleston:
Unless there are special reasons connected with your own condition, it is considered proper that you should make the demand at an earlier hour.
L. P. WALKER.

CHARLESTON, S. C., April 10, 1861.
Honorable L. P. WALKER:
The reasons are special for 12 o'clock.
G. T. BEAUREGARD.

HDQRS. PROV. ARMY CONFEDERATE STATES OF AMERICA,
Charleston, S. C., April 11, 1861.
Honorable L. P. WALKER, Secretary of War, Montgomery, Ala.:

SIR: I transmit herewith, for the information of the Department, a copy of my note of this morning to Major Anderson, commanding at Fort Sumter, demanding the surrender of that fort to the Confederate Government, together with a copy of his reply thereto.* As soon as his answer was received a telegraphic dispatch (a copy of which is inclosed) was sent to you, communicating its purport, and asking for your instructions. I regret to add here that the new levies at Morris Island are not in as complete a state of organization as I desire; but I hope, in the event of an attempt to land by the enemy, that I will be able to give you a satisfactory account of them.

I remain, sir, very respectfully, your obedient servant,

G. T. BEAUREGARD,
Brigadier-General, Commanding

April 11, 1861.
Honorable L. P. WALKER,
Secretary of War:

Major Anderson replies: "I have the honor to acknowledge the receipt of your communication demanding the evacuation of this fort, and to say in reply thereto that it is a demand with which I regret that my sense of honor and of my obligations to my Government prevent my compliance." He says verbally: "I will await the first shot, and if you do not batter us to pieces we will be starved out in a few days."

Answer.

G. T. BEAUREGARD.

MONTGOMERY, April 11, 1861.
General BEUAREGARD,
Charleston:

Do not desire needlessly to bombard Fort Sumter. If Major Anderson will state the time at which, as indicated by him, he will evacuate, and agree that in the mean time he will not use his guns against us unless our should be employed against Fort Sumer, you are authorized thus to avoid the effusion of blood. If this or its equivalent be refused, reduce the fort as you judgment decides to be most practicable.

L. P. WALKER.

WASHINGTON, April 11, 1861.
General G. T. BEUAREGARD:

The Tribune of to-day declares the main object of the expedition to be the relief of Sumter, and that a force will be landed which will overcome all opposition.

ROMAN.

CRAWFORD.

FORSYTH.

CHARLESTON, S. C., April 11, 1861.
ROMAN, CRAWFORD, and FORSYTH,
Commissioners Confederate States, Washington, D. C.:

Evacuation of Fort Sumter will be demanded to-day. If refused, hostilities will commence to-night. Answer.

G. T. BEAUREGARD.

CHARLESTON, April 11, 1861.
Honorable L. P. WALKER:

Ought not demand of Sumter be made also by Commissioners at Washington for its evacuation?

G. T. BEUAREGARD.

MONTGOMERY, April 11, 1861.
General BEUAREGARD,
Charleston:

Numbers Yours is the only demand to be made.

L. P. WALKER.

CHARLESTON, April 11, 1861.
L. P. WALKER:

Demand sent at 2. Allowed until 6 to answer.

G. T. BEUAREGARD.

MONTGOMERY, April 12, 1861.
General BEAUREGARD,
Charleston, S. C.:

What was Major Anderson's reply to the proposition contained in my dispatch of last night?

L. P. WLAKER.

CHARLESTON, S. C., April 12, 1861.
L. P. WALKER:

He would not consent. I wirte to-day.

G. T. BEUAREGARD.


HEADQUARTERS PROVISIONAL FORCES, Charleston, S. C., April 12, 1861.
Honorable L. P. WALKER,
Secretary of War:

SIR: I have the honor to transmit the inclosed copy of a correspondence with Major Anderson, in consequence of which our fire was opened upon Fort Sumter 4 at 4.30 o'clock this morning, as already communicated to you by telegraph.* The pilots reported to me last evening that a steamer, supposed to be the Harriet Lane, had appeared off the harbor. She approached slowly, and was lying off the main entrance, some ten or twelve miles, when the pilot came in.

Respectfully, your obedient servant,

G. T. BEUAREGARD,

Brigadier-General, Commanding.

WASHINGTON, D. C., April 12, 1861.
Honorable SIMON CAMERON, Secretary of War:
SIR: I have the honor to report that in obedience to your instructions, dated April 6, 1861, I left Washington on the evening of the same day in company with Mr. R. S. Chew, and arrived at Charleston, S. C., on the evening of the 8th instant. Immediately after my arrival I visited Governor Pickens, and, having informed him of the nature of my written instructions, stated that Mr. Chew had requested me to ask his excellency for an interview at his earliest convenience. The governor replied that he would receive Mr. Chew at once, and shortly after I accompanied Mr. Chew to the governor's quarters. Mr. Chew read to the governor, in my presence, a message from the President of the United States, handing him a copy of the same, which was compared by the governor. The governor stated to Mr. Chew that, South Carolina having ratified the constitution of the Confederate States, General Beauregard now had charge of military affairs in the vicinity of Charleston, and that, as General Beauregard was near at hand, he would desire to have him present at the interview. To this Mr. Chew assented, and General Beauregard having been called into the room, the governor read and handed to him the copy of the message which he had just received. In compliance with your verbal instructions, I asked Governor Pickens if I would be permitted to proceed to Fort Sumter for the purpose of remaining on duty at that post. The governor referred me to General Beauregard for an answer, by whom the request was peremptorily refused. I then asked if I would be permitted to hold communication with Major Anderson at Fort Sumter, with the distinct understanding that after such interview I should immediately return to Charleston. This was also refused, General Beauregard remarking that no communication whatever would be permitted with Major Anderson, except to convey an order for the evacuation of the fort, such being the instructions received from Montgomery.

I then informed Governor Pickens and General Beauregard that I had no further official business to transact with them, and that it was the desire of Mr. Chew and myself and myself to start North that night. Both replied that there would be no obstruction to our departure, and each of them detailed an officer of the staff to escort us to the railroad depot. We left Charleston at 11 o'clock p. m. on the 8th instant, arriving here this morning. We were detained several hours at Florence, S. C., and at Richmond, Va., in consequence of the railway trains failing to connect at those places. I brought back with me the sealed dispatch for Major Anderson, instructed to my care by the President.
I am, sir, very respectfully, your obedient servant,
THEO. TALBOT, Brevet Captain, Assistant Adjutant-General, U. S. Army.

CHARLESTON, April 13, 1861.
Honorable L. P. WLAKER:

Fort Sumter has unconditionally surrendered to the Confederate States, represented by General Beauregard, Colonel Wigfall, his aide, receiving the surrender. The same terms just offered will be granted. Engines are about to go down to put out the fire. Fight expected on Morris Island to-night.

R. B. RHETT, JR.

CHARLESTON, April 113, 1861.
Honorable L. P. WALKER:

Anderson surrenders to the Confederate Government unconditionally, but I have granted him the same terms as on the 11th instant: "All proper facilities will be afforded for removal of yourself and command, together with company arms and property and all private property, to any post in the United States you may elect."

G. T. BEUAREGARD.

HEADQUARTERS MORRIS ISLAND, S. C., April 13, 1861-6 p. m.

General BEAUREGARD,
Commanding.

GENERAL: Brigadier-General Simons directs me to say that a boat from the fleet, bearing a white flag, and commanded by a lieutenant of the U. S. Navy, has just communicated with him. He first inquired if Major Anderson had surrendered, to which (as informed by Colonel Wigfall, aide-de-camp) he was answered "Yes; unconditionally." Second, if he could communicate with Fort Moultrie, to which he was answered "No." (He evidently supposed the commanding general was at Moultrie, as he afterwards said.) Third, he asked if he could be permitted to come in, under a flag of truce, and take Major Anderson off. If not, whether he could come in with a merchantman and do same. If not, that whether he could come in with his boats for the purpose. To these inquiries General Simons replied that transportation could be furnished for Major Anderson to the fleet, but that the commanding general was at hand, and could be communicated with at once, with the understanding that no hostile demonstration should be made during the night by the fleet. The lieutenant was informed that you would be furnished with his questions, and he might return for answers to-morrow morning, under a flag of truce. The lieutenant gave his personal guarantee that no hostilities would be attempted, and said he would return in the morning to hear your reply. He informed Major Whiting that their mission was not hostile, but one of peace.

Very respectfully,

W. H. C. WHITTING,

Adjutant and Inspector General.​
 
Then you don't really know why Anderson moved to Sumter do you..Moultrie was such an easy target S. Carolina or the crowds wouldn't think twice of trying to take it and thus starting a war.. By moving to Sumter, they would have to think twice before attempting to seize the works and thus stop a war from starting a war by hot heads...But, you seem to keep ignoring the fact that Anderson was the commander of all the Union forts, he had every right to move to any of them, even before authorization that gave him that right from Washington..Nothing you have posted directs him to stay where he is, while the order I showed gives him exactly that descretion...

It appears you do not read.

And still you have posted no real threats---

I know all I need to know Anderson and his men moved to Sumter WITHOUT ORDERS. I have that from Anderson and his boss the POTUS!!! This action makes Anderson the aggressor.

GP
 
I not sure I get you point, but I do think it a bit odd that any people, anywhere, would voluntarily supply food or anything else save, perhaps, a lead sandwich to anyone deemed an aggressor by them.

"Since the Constitution doesn't forbid the states to secede, the North found it necessary to violate the Constitution in order to suppress Southern independence. Lincoln was forced to usurp legislative powers by raising troops and money and by suspending the writ of habeas corpus; when Chief Justice Roger Taney ruled such acts unconstitutional, Lincoln wrote an order for Taney's arrest! He never followed through on that, but he did illegally arrest 31 antiwar members of the Maryland legislature and install a puppet government. He went on to crush freedom of speech and press throughout the North. Such was Lincoln's idea of 'preserving the Constitution' and government of the people, by the people, for the people."
Joseph Sobran


His point is if he can repeat something enough and keep circling around, he will tire me out and I'll let him have his way. Ain't gonna happen.

GP
http://southernheritageadvancementpreservationeducation.com/page.php?4
 
My point is that if cut off food off to troops you are then forcing their government to bring food to them, so who was actually being the aggressor the ones bringing the food or the ones that cut off the food in the first place... So its going back to your quote "The aggressor in a war is not the first to use force but the first to make force necessary"

What you have to remember is that just a short time before these men were their countrymen and some were brother Southerners who swore an oath to serve their country and were in forts that were placed their for their benefit and protection.. Anderson had a deep love of the South and belived in slavery..In addition, at least one of these men would also serve the Confederacy, when the other states seceeded.. They were there doing their duty as they saw fit..

Most of the time the Southern governments had great sympathy for the plight of Anderson and his men and held them in high regard..


If they had been bringing food to Anderson it would have been a different story., however we know that wasn't the case.

Going in Circles again.

GP
http://southernheritageadvancementpreservationeducation.com/page.php?4
 
But, in fact, as noted many times on this board And this thread, Anderson had complete authorization to move his command any time he wanted, when, in his opinion, it became necessary.
If the gov't of SC thought Sec'y Hol'ts opinion on the ownership of Sumter, was wrong, or his reasoning faulty, the Constitution of the United States provides the means of determining such facts. That SC made no move to avail themselves of the Law, says all that needs to be said as to the confidence that state's leaders had in any 'Legal' case they could make.
The Historical Fact is, the right of unilateral secess has always been disputed, from the very beginning of Constitutional government itself and through all the years leading up to the CW itself. We have Pickens and Davis saying one thing and we have, Washington, Madison, Patrick Henry, Jackson, saying the opposite, concerning the 'legality' of unencumbered secession; whose intellectual and historical faculties are real students of history to trust?


P.S. Even if unencumbered secession, actually existed and it actually resided in the states, its implementation would still have to conform to the Constitution, i.e., it would have to be done through and by Constitutional procedures.


He did not. I have posted his last written order which does not give him that authority.

I have posted and stated many times Anderson said in his own words he had no orders to move to Sumter. Have you been reading the thread?

GP
http://southernheritageadvancementpreservationeducation.com/page.php?4
 
Battallion how many times do we have cover the same ground, should I re-post the numerious other memos that say that it will be supplies only unless hostilities commence, then reinforcements will be sent in...How about the memo from the Confederate spy, or the leaks in Washington or heck even from Lincoln himself...

I am wondering the same thing----


The following list embraces the names, with armaments and troops, of Lincoln's supply fleet dispatched from New York and Washington to Charleston harbor, for the relief of Fort Sumter:-

Vessels of War
Steam sloop-of-war Pawnee, Captain S. C. Rowan, 10 guns and 200 men. The Pawnee sailed from Washington, with sealed orders, on the morning of Saturday, April 6.
Steam sloop-of-war Powhatan, Captain E. D. Porter, 11 guns and 275 men. The Powhatan sailed from the Brookyln Navy Yard on Saturday afternoon April 6.
Revenue cutter Harriet Lane, Captain J. Faunce, 5 guns and 96 men. On Saturday, April 6, the Harriet Lane exchanged her revenue flag for the United States navy flag, denoting her transfer to the Government naval service, and sailed suddenly on last Monday morning, with sealed orders.

The Steam Transports
Atlantic, 358 troops, composed of Companies A and M of the Second artillery, Companies C and H of the Second infantry, and Company A of sappers and miners from West Point. The Atlantic sailed from the steam at 5 o'clock on Sunday morning last, April 7.
Baltic, 160 troops, composed of Companies C and D, recruits, from Governor's and Bedloe's islands. The Baltic sailed from Quarantine at 7o'clock on Tuesday morning last, April 9.
Illinois, 300 troops, composed of Companies B, E, F, G and H, and a detachment from Company D, all recruits from Governor's and Bedloe's Islands, together with two companies of the Second infantry, from Fort Hamilton. The Illinois sailed from Quarantine on Tuesday morning at 6 o'clock.

The Steamtugs
Two steamtugs, with a Government official on each, bearing sealed dispatches, were also sent. The Yankee left New York on Monday evening, 8th, and the Uncle Ben on Tuesday night.

The Launches
Nearly thirty of these boats-whose services are most useful in effecting a landing of troops over shoal water, and for attacking a discharging battery when covered with sand and gunny bags- have been taken out by the Powhatan and by the steam transports Atlantic, Baltic and Illinois.

Recapitulation
Vessels Guns Men
Sloop-of-war Pawnee 10 200
Sloop-of-war Powhatan 11 275
Cutter Harriet Lane 5 96
Steam Transport Atlantic 353
Steam Transport Baltic 160
Steam Transport Illinois 300
Steamtug Yankee Ordinary Crew
Steamtug Uncle Ben Ordinary Crew
Total number of vessels 8
Total number of guns (for marine service) 26
Total number of men and troops 1,380

It is understood that several transports are soon to be chartered, and dispatched to Charleston with troops and supplies.
________________________
Those ships that were assigned specifically to Charleston.
The ships assigned were the steam sloop-of-war USS Pawnee, steam sloop-of-war USS Powhatan, transporting motorized launches and about 300 sailors (secretly removed from the Charleston fleet to join in the forced reenforcement of Fort Pickens, Pensacola, Fla.), armed screw steamer USS Pochaontas, Revenue Cutter USS Harriet Lane, steamer Baltic transporting about 200 troops, composed of companies C and D of the 2nd U.S. Artillery, and three hired tug boats. The rest of the ships listed in the New York paper went to Pensacola.

GP
 
The related links section is a great resource ...
Orders pretaining to the Fox Expedition​
CHARLESTON, March 22, 1861.​
General L. P. WALKER:​
Special messenger from General Scott to learn Anderson's condition arrived last evening. Went back last night. Reports Anderson nearly out fuel and provisions. All my batteries will be finished and armed in two or three days. Can I have Boggs?​
G. T. BEAUREGARD.​
CHARLESTON, S. C., April 1, 1861.​
Honorable L. P. WALKER, Montgomery, Ala.:​
The following telegram just received from Commissioner Crawford: I am authorized to say that this Government will not undertake to supply Sumter without notice to you. My opinion is that the President has not the courage to execute the order agreed upon in Cabinet for the evacuation of the fort, but that he intends to shift the responsibility upon Major Anderson, by suffering him to be starved out. Would it not be well to aid in this by cutting off all supplies?​
CRAWFORD.​
Batteries here ready to open Wednesday or Thursday. What instructions? G. T. BEAUREGARD.​
WAR DEPARTMENT,​
Washington, D. C., April 4, 1861.​
Major ROBERT ANDERSON, U. S. Army:​
SIR: Your letter of the 1st instant occasions some anxiety to the President.​
On the information of Captain Fox he had supposed you could hold out till the 15th instant without any great inconvenience; and had prepared an expedition to relieve you before that period.​
Hoping still that you will be able to sustain yourself till the 11th or 12th instant, the expedition will go forward; and, finding your flag flying, will attempt to provision you, and, in case the effort is resisted, will endeavor also to re-enforce you. You will therefore hold out, if possible, till the arrival of the expedition.​
It is not, however, the intention of the President to subject your command to any danger or hardship beyond what, in your judgment, would be usual in military life; and he has entire confidence that you will act as becomes a patriot and soldier, under all circumstances.​
Whenever, if at all, in your judgment, to save yourself and command, a capitulation becomes a necessity, you are authorized to make it.​
Respectfully,​
SIMON CAMERON, Secretary of War.​
WAR DEPARTMENT, Washington,​
April 4, 1861.​
Captain G. V. FOX, Washington, D. C.: SIR: It having been decided to succor Fort Sumter you have been selected for this important duty. Accordingly you will take charge of the transports in New York having the troops and supplies on board to the entrance of Charleston Harbor, and endeavor, in the first instance, to deliver the subsistence. If you are opposed in this you are directed to report the fact to the senior naval officer of the harbor, who will be instructed by the Secretary of the Navy to use his entire force to open a passage, when you will, if possible, effect an entrance and place both troops and supplies in Fort Sumter.
I am, sir, very respectfully, your obedient servant,​
SIMON CAMERON,​
Secretary of War.​
WAR DEPARTMENT, ADJUTANT-GENERAL'S OFFICE,​
Washington, April 4, 1861.​
Colonel D. D. TOMPKINS,​
A. Q. M. G., Numbers 6 State street, New York:​
SIR: By direction of the Secretary of War you will charter such vessels as Captain G. V. Fox, the bearer of this, may designate; for such time and with such supplies as he may indicate.​
I am, sir, &c.,​
L. THOMAS, Adjutant-General.​
HEADQUARTERS OF THE ARMY,​
Washington, D. C., April 4, 1861.​
Lieutenant Colonel HENRY L. SCOTT, A. D. C., New York:​
SIR: This letter will be landed to you by Captain G. V. Fox, ex-officer of the Navy, and a gentleman of high standing, as well as possessed of extraordinary nautical ability. He is charged by high authority here with the command of an expedition, under cover of certain ships of war, whose object is to re-enforce Fort Sumter.​
To embark with Captain Fox you will cause a detachment of recruits, say about two hundred, to be immediately organized at Fort Columbus, with a competent number of officers, arms, ammunition, and subsistence. A large surplus of the latter-indeed, as great as the vessels of the expedition can take-with other necessaries, will be needed for the augmented garrison of Fort Sumter.​
The subsistence and other supplies should be assorted like those which were provided by you and Captain Ward of the Navy for a former expedition. Consult Captain Fox and Major Eaton on the subject, and give all necessary orders in my name to fit out the expedition, except that the hiring of vessels will be left to others.​
Some fuel must be shipped. Oil, artillery implements, fuses, cordage, slow-march, mechanical levers, and gins, &c., should also be put on board.​
Consult, also, if necessary, confidentially, Colonel Tompkins and Major Thornton. Respectfully, yours,​
WINFIELD SCOTT.​
NAVY DEPARTMENT,​
Washington, April 5, 1861.​
Captain SAMUEL MERCER,​
Commanding U. S. S. Powhatan, New York:​
SIR: The United States steamers Powhatan, Pocahontas, and Harriet Lane will compose a naval force, under your command, to be sent to the vicinity of Charleston, S. C., for the purpose of aiding in carrying out the objects of an expedition of which the War Department has charge.​
The primary object of the expedition is to provision Fort Sumter, for which purpose the War Department will furnish the necessary transports. Should the authorities at Charleston permit the fort to be supplied, no further particular service will be required of the force under your command, and after being satisfied that supplies have been received at the fort, the Powhatan, Pocahontas, and Harriet Lane will return to New York, and the Pawnee to Washington.​
Should the authorities at Charleston, however, refuse to permit or attempt to prevent the vessel or vessels having supplies on board from entering the harbor, or from peaceably proceeding to Fort Sumter, you will protect the transports or boats of the expedition in the object of their mission-disposing of your force in such manner as to open the way for their ingress and afford, so far as practicable, security to the men and boats, and repelling by force, if necessary, all obstructions towards provisioning the fort and re-enforcing it; for in case of resistance to the peaceable primary object of the expedition a re-enforcement of the garrison will also be attempted.
These purposes will be under the supervision of the War Department, which has charge of the expedition. The expedition has been intrusted to Captain G. V. Fox, with whom you will put yourself in communication, and co-operate with him to accomplish and carry into effect its object.​
You will leave New York with the Powhatan in time to be off Charleston Bar, ten miles distant from and due east of the light-house, on the morning of the 11th instant, there to await the arrival of the transport or transports with troops and stores. The Pawnee and Pocahontas will be ordered to join you there at the time mentioned, and also the Harriet Lane, which latter vessel has been placed under the control of this Department for this service. On the termination of the expedition, whether it be peaceable or otherwise, the several vessels under your command will return to the respective ports, as above directed, unless some unforeseen circumstance should prevent.​
I am, respectfully, your obedient servant,​
GIDEON WELLES, Secretary of the Navy.​
WAR DEPARTMENT,​
Washington, April 6, 1861.​
Captain THEO. TALBOT, Assistant Adjutant-General:​
SIR: You will proceed directly to Charleston, S. C., and if on your arrival there the flag of the United States shall be flying over Fort Sumter, and the fort shall not have been attacked, you will procure an interview with Governor Pickens, and read to him as follows:​
I am directed by the President of the United States to notify [you] to expect an attempt will be made to supply Fort Sumter with provisions only, and that if such attempt be not resisted, no effort to throw in provisions, arms, or ammunition will be made without further notice or in case of an attack upon the fort.
After you shall have read this to Governor Pickens, deliver to him the copy of it herein inclosed, and retain this letter yourself.​
But if on your arrival at Charleston you shall ascertain that Fort Sumter shall have been already evacuated or surrendered by the United States force, you will seek no interview with Governor Pickens, but return here forthwith.​
Respectfully, SIMON CAMERON,​
HEADQUARTERS OF THE ARMY,​
New York, April 6, 1861.​
Lieutenant CHARLES R. WOODS,​
Ninth Infantry, Act. Supt. East. Dept., R. S., Fort Columbus, N. Y.: SIR: The General-in-Chief desires that two hundred recruits from Fort Columbus be at once organized into two companies, and held in readiness for embarkation on Monday next, the 8th instant.​
A proper proportion of non-commissioned officers will be included in the detachment, which must be fully supplied with arms, ammunition, and subsistence.​
First Lieutenant Edward McK. Hudson, Fourth Artillery, First Lieutenant R. O. Tyler, Third Artillery, and Second Lieutenant C. W. Thomas, First Infantry, are assigned to duty with the recruits.​
I am, sir, very respectfully, your obedient servant,​
H. L. SCOTT, Lieutenant-Colonel and A. D. C., Act. Adjt. General​
WASHINGTON, April 6, 1861.​
Honorable A. G. MAGRATH,​
Charleston, S. C.:​
Positively determined not to withdraw Anderson. Supplies go immediately, supported by naval force under Stringham if their landing be resisted.
A FRIEND.​
[Indorsements.]​
To CHARLESTON OFFICE:​
The above is by a reliable man.​
CALDWELL.​
MONDAY, April 8. - Sent by James E. Harvey by telegraph last Saturday morning.​
CHARLESTON, April 6, 1861.​
L. P. WALKER:​
The following telegraph I have just received from Washington:​
Positively determined not to withdraw Anderson. Supplies go immediately, supported by a naval force under Stringham if their landing is resisted.​
A FRIEND.​
Governor and General Beauregard visiting the posts in the harbor, and will not be here for a few hours. In their absence I telegraphed to Washington to know who was the person signing himself "A Friend." The reply satisfies me that the person is high in the confidence of the Government at Washington. Mr. Wigfall, who is with me, concurs in the propriety of giving you notice of it without delay. A. G. MAGRATH.​
WASHINGTON, April 8, 1861.​
General G. T. BEAUREGARD:​
Accounts are uncertain, because of the constant vacillation of this Government. We were reassured yesterday that the status of Sumter would not be changed without previous notice to Governor Pickens, but we have no faith in them. The war policy prevails in the Cabinet at this hour.​
M. J. CRAWFORD.​
CHARLESTON, April 8, 1861.​
L. P. WALKER:​
Authorized messenger from Lincoln just informed Governor, Pickens and myself that provisions would be sent to Sumter peaceably, otherwise by force.​
G. T. BEAUREGARD.​
MONTGOMERY, April 8, 1861.​
General BEAUREGARD, Charleston:​
Under no circumstances are you to allow provisions to be sent to Fort Sumter.​
L. P. WALKER.​
CHARLESTON, April 8, 1861.​
Honorable L. P. WALKER:​
Anderson's provisions stopped yesterday. No answer from him. I am calling out balance of contingent troops. G. T. BEAUREGARD.​
HEADQUARTERS OF THE ARMY, New York, April 8, 1861.​
First Lieutenant EDWARD McK. HUDSON,​
Fourth Artillery, Commanding U. S. troops on the steamer Baltic:​
SIR: I am instructed by the General-in-Chief to say to you that the destination of the two hundred recruits embarked on the steamer Baltic is Fort Sumter, and that "Captain G. V. Fox, ex-officer of the Navy, and a gentleman-of high standing, as well as possessed of extraordinary nautical ability, has been charged by high authority in Washington with the command of the expedition, under cover of certain ships of war."​
You will accordingly be governed by the instructions of Captain Fox.​
I am, sir, very respectfully, your obedient servant,​
H. L. SCOTT, Lieutenant-Colonel and A. D. C., Act. Adjt. General​


Sonn you can post this till youir eyesturn yellow. The ORs are a sanitized version of events ___ The Yankeees did thir best to cover their butts. The fact remains I have posted the complete fleet with a few more than 200 recruits.

GP
 
It appears you do not read.

And still you have posted no real threats---

I know all I need to know Anderson and his men moved to Sumter WITHOUT ORDERS. I have that from Anderson and his boss the POTUS!!! This action makes Anderson the aggressor.

GP
Anderson was the commander of all the forts in the harbor he could darn well move where he pleased, and he had all the authorization he needed...And as I have said many times to you, he wouldnt say that he was ordered to go to Sumter, because he wasn't.. Why is that so hard to understand.
 
Anderson was the commander of all the forts in the harbor he could darn well move where he plesed, and he had all the authorization he needed...And as I have said many times to you, he wouldnt say that he was ordered to go to Sumter, because he wasn't.. Why is that so hard to understand.


NO HE COULD NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Even that were true you wouldn't have been knocking yourself to prove that point by orders. Which I posted that stated otherwise.

GP
 

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