Lee's Optimal Re-Organization before Gettysburg (The Extra Brigades)

- Why not consolidate the two Kentucky brigades? The total would be easier to manage. Preston is an administrator, not a soldier, so his skills would be better spent in East Tennessee.
- 22nd Tennessee Cavalry is now only known as 2nd Tennessee Cavalry Battalion, and is still in north Mississippi under James Chalmers
- 40th AL and 43d MS Battalions, having been part of Pemberton's army, most likely should remain with Loring in Mississippi;
- I would suggest consolidating Wilson's and J. K. Jackson's brigades under the latter, replacing the 40th AL Bn with the 5th and 8th MS, and consolidating the GA Sharpshooter battalions.
The Kentucky consolidation I almost did. I don't know much about Preston, I will make that move.

So I need to rename the 22nd TN Cav?

I moved the 40th and 43d back to MS, and just consolidated as you suggested, I like those suggestions. Thank You!
 
Additionally, would Beauregard have been more receptive to JH Morgan's Ohio Raid? Morgan's division is missing from the OOB, as it was for most of the war. The raid began on July 2, 1863, so if Beauregard kept a tighter hold on Morgan the division could have been saved...
 
Additionally, would Beauregard have been more receptive to JH Morgan's Ohio Raid? Morgan's division is missing from the OOB, as it was for most of the war. The raid began on July 2, 1863, so if Beauregard kept a tighter hold on Morgan the division could have been saved...
I think Beauregard absolutely would of wanted to keep his cavalry under his control. Do you know the OOB for Morgan's raid? I know he had about 2500 men?
 
If you took Morgan's two brigades + the two brigades I have in E. Tennessee you can base a cavalry corps in E. Tennessee, not sure who would command the corps. Need someone who can keep Morgan on a leash. Or you jsut attach him to Wheeler or Forrest's commands.
 
Next up we have the dept. of E. Tennessee. I've attached Morgan's CAV HERE for now.

DEPARTMENT OF EAST TENNESSEE
MG Simon B. Buckner
(12,258 men)​

  1. Buckner's Command
    1. Buckner's Division - MG Simon B. Buckner (6,404 men)
      1. Frazier's Brigade - BG John Frazer (1,683 men)
        1. 58th NC (423 men)
        2. 60th NC (150 men)
        3. 62nd NC (550 men)
        4. 64th NC (550 men)
      2. Gracie's Brigade (1,933 men) (AL) - BG Archibald Gracie 06/03/62
        1. 13th AL - Col. Birkett Fry (291 men)
        2. 43rd AL (600)
        3. Hilliard's AL Legion - (902 men)
          1. 1st Battalion
          2. 2nd Battalion
          3. 3rd Battalion
          4. 4th Battalion
        4. 5th AL Battalion (131 men)
      3. Archer's Brigade - James Archer 06/03/62 (1,179 men)
        1. 63rd TN (404 men)
        2. 1st TN (267 men)
        3. 7th TN (276 men)
        4. 14th TN (232 men)
      4. Jackson's Brigade - BG A.E. Jackson (1,825 men)
        1. 29th NC - (225 men)
        2. 39th NC, Col. David Coleman (300 men)
        3. Thomas's Regiment (69th NC ) - Col. W.H. Thomas (Cherokee) (500 men)
        4. Walker's Battalion (300 men)
    2. Cavalry Division - BG William H. Jackson (2,904 men)
      1. William's Brigade CAV - BG J.S. Williams (1,329 men)
        1. 4th KY CAV 375 men)
        2. 10th KY CAV (375 men)
        3. 13th KY CAV (355 men)
        4. 1st TN CAV (200 men)
      2. Iverson's Brigade - BG Alfred Iverson (1,566 men)
        1. 7th GA CAV (850 men)
          1. 24th GA Battalion (400 men)
          2. 21st GA Ca Battalion (200 men)
          3. Hardwick Mounted Rifles (250 men)
        2. 8th GA CAV - Col. J.R. Griffin ( 662 men)
          1. 62nd GA Mounted Infantry (408 men)
          2. 20th GA Battalion (250 men)
        3. 10th GA CAV - Col. V.H. Taliaferro (450 men)
          1. 7th CON (250 men)
          2. 20th GA Battalion (Cos. E/F/G)(200 men)
    3. Cavalry Division - BG John H. Morgan (2,450 men)
      1. Duke's Brigade - Col. B.W. Duke
        1. 2nd KY Caav (Morgan's original regiment and one of the best-trained units)
        2. 3rd KY CAV
        3. 9th KY CAV
        4. 5th Ky CAV
      2. Johnson's Brigade - Col. "Stovepipe" Johnson
        1. 10th KY CAV
        2. 11th KY CAV
        3. 14th KY CAV
        4. Partisan Ranger detachments from Kentucky and Tennessee
    4. Artilery
      1. Divisional Artillery (500 men)
        1. Davidson's Battery
        2. Kain's Battery
        3. McClung Battery
        4. Rhett Battery
        5. Kolb's AL Battery - Capt. R.F. Kolb
 
  • This is probably where I cannibalized the most troops. I think after the Battle of Jackson that you can clearly see Johnston has no interest in seriously trying to relieve Vicksburg OR at the minimum breat out the troops in Vicksburg to save them. So my whole scenario took that in mind. NOW if one wants to go back further in time to say march or april, and really push a drive towards Vicksburg and bring in reinforcements to do it. I think you would need someone not named Johnston. In fact, as much as I don't like Bragg, moving Johnston north to Tennessee and putting Bragg in East Mississippi makes more sense to me then Johnston. Johnston would do a better job probably on the defense against Rosecrans, while Bragg would at least attempt a push towards Vicksburg.​
  • Having said all that, I've take Breckinridge and WHT Walker's divisions and shifted them back towards Tennessee. I think reinforcing AoT and possibly defeating Rosecrans during Tullahoma and keeping Middle TN would have more effect on the CSA war effort then what they did.​

DEPARTMENT OF MISSISSIPPI AND EAST LOUISIANA
52,516 men
Joseph E. Johnston​

  1. First Military District - BG Daniel Ruggles
    1. Unit
      1. Ruggles Brigade - BG Daniel Ruggles (1,450 men)
        1. 56th AL Cavalry - (550 men)
          1. 13th AL Partisan CB (250 men)
          2. 15th AL Partisan CB (300 men)
        2. 3rd MS Battalion "State Troops" (150 men)
        3. 5th MS "State Troops" (250 men) Col. H.C. Robinson
        4. MS State Cavalry (50 men)
        5. MS State Cavalry (50 men)
        6. MS State Cavalry (50 men)
        7. MS State Cavalry (50 men)
        8. AR Battery (75 men)
        9. AR Battery (75 men)
        10. TN Heavy ART (150 men)

Army of Vicksburg (2nd Military District)
33,000 men
LtG. Joseph Pemberton​

  1. Army Division
    1. Stevenson's Division - MG Carter Stevenson
      1. Barton's Brigade - BG Seth Barton (2,015 men)
        1. 40th GA (300 men)
        2. 41st GA (400 men)
        3. 42nd GA (500 men)
        4. 43rd GA (350 men)
        5. 52nd GA (350 men)
        6. Pettus Artillery (75 men)
        7. Pointe Coupee Artillery - 2 Companies (30 men)
      2. Cumming's Brigade - BG Alfred Cumming (2,035 men)
        1. 34th GA (450 men)
        2. 36th GA (350 men)
        3. 39th GA (300 men)
        4. 56th GA (550 men)
        5. 57th GA (300 men)
        6. Cherokee GA Artillery (75 men)
      3. Tracy's Brigade - BG Ed Tracy (1,510 men)
        1. 20th AL (275 men)
        2. 23rd AL (425 men)
        3. 30th AL 375men)
        4. 31st AL (225 men)
        5. 46th AL (200 men)
        6. Waddell's AL Battery
      4. Reynold's Brigade - Col. Reynolds (900 men)
        1. 3rd Provisional TN (225 men)
        2. 31st TN (200 men)
        3. 43rd TN (200 men)
        4. 59th TN (200 men)
        5. 3rd MD Battery (75 men)
      5. Waul's TX Legion (400 men)
        1. 1st INF Battalion
        2. 2nd INF Battalion
        3. Zouave Battalion
        4. Cav Detachment
        5. Artillery Company
      6. Attached
        1. 1st TN CAV Co. C (50 men)
        2. Botentort VA Art (75 men)
        3. Signal Corps Detachment (20 men)
    2. Forney's Division
      1. Hebert's Brigade - BG Louis Hebert
        1. 3rd LA
        2. 21st LA
        3. 22nd LA
        4. 36th MS
        5. 37th MS
        6. 38th MS
        7. 43rd MS
        8. 7th MS Battalion
        9. 2nd AL Battalion Co. C
        10. Appeal AR ART
      2. Moore's Brigade - BG John Moore
        1. 37th AL
        2. 40th AL
        3. 42nd AL
        4. 35th MS
        5. 40th MS
        6. 2nd TX
        7. 1st MS Ligh Art
        8. Sengstak's ART Battery
        9. Pointe Coupe Artillery Co. B
    3. Smith's Division - MG Martin Smith
      1. Baldwin's Brigade - BG William Baldwin
        1. 17th LA
        2. 31st Louisiana, Lt. Col. Sidney H. Griffin (k), Lt. Col. James W. Draughon
        3. 4th Mississippi, Lt. Col. Thomas N. Adaire (w), Capt. Thomas P. Nelson
        4. 46th Mississippi, Col. Claudius W. Sears
        5. Tobin's Tennessee Battery, Capt. Thomas F. Tobin
      2. Shoup's Brigade - BG Francis Shoup
        1. 26th LA
        2. 27th LA
        3. 29th LA
        4. McNalley's AR Battery
      3. Vaughn's Brigade - BG John Vaughn
        1. 60th Tennessee, Capt. J.W. Bachman
        2. 61st Tennessee, Lt. Col. James G. Rose
        3. 62d Tennessee, Col. John A. Rowan
      4. MS State Troops - BG Jeptha Harris
        1. 5th Regiment, MST, Col. H.C. Robinson
        2. 3d Battalion, MST, Lt. Col. Thomas A. Burgis
      5. Attached
        1. 14th Mississippi Light Artillery Battalion, Maj. Matthew S. Ward
        2. Smyth's Company Mississippi Partisan Rangers, Capt. J.S. Smyth
        3. Signal Corps Detachment, Capt. M.T. Davison
    4. Bowen's Division - MG John Bowen
      1. Missouri Brigade - Col. Francis Cockrell
        1. 1st MO, Col. Amos C. Riley
        2. 2d MO, Lt. Col. Pembroke Senteny (k), Maj. Thomas M. Carter
        3. 3d MO Lt. Col. Finley L. Hubbard (mw), Col. William L. Gause, Maj. James K. McDowell
        4. 5th MO, Lt. Col. Robert S. Bevier, Col. James McCown
        5. 6th MO, Col. Eugene Erwin (k), Maj. Stephen Cooper
        6. Guibor's MO Battery, Capt. Henry Guibor, Lt. William Corkery, Lt. Cornelius Heffernan
        7. Landis' MO Battery, Capt. John C. Landis, Lt. John M. Langan
        8. Wade's MO Battery, Lt. Richard C. Walsh
      2. Greene's Brigade - BG Martin Green
        1. 15th AR, Lt. Col. William W. Reynolds, Capt. Caleb Davis
        2. 19th AR, Col. Thomas P. Dockery, Capt. James K. Norwood
        3. 20th AR, Col. D.W. Jones
        4. 21st AR, Col. Jordan E. Cravens, Capt. A. Tyler
        5. 1st AR Cavalry Battalion (dismounted), Capt. John J. Clark
        6. 12th AR Sharpshooters Battalion, Capt. Griff Bayne, Lt. John S. Bell
        7. 1st MO Cav (dismounted), Col. Elijah Gates, Maj. William C. Parker
        8. 3d MO Cav (dismounted), Lt. Col. D. Todd Samuel, Capt. Felix Lotspeich
        9. 3d MO Battery, Capt. William E. Dawson
        10. Lowe's MOi Battery, Capt. Schyler Lowe, Lt. Thomas B. Catron
      3. River Defenses - Col Ed Higgins
        1. 1st LA Heavy Artillery, Col. Charles A. Fuller, Lt. Col. Daniel Beltzhoover
        2. 8th LA Hevy Artillery Battalion, Maj. Frederick N. Ogden
        3. 22d LA (detachment), Capt. Samuel Jones
        4. 1st TN Heavy Artillery, Col. Andrew Jackson, Jr.
        5. ***Caruthers' TN Battery, Capt. J.B. Caruthers
        6. ***Johnston's TN Battery, Capt. T.N. Johnston
        7. ***Lynch's TN Battery, Capt. John P. Lynch
        8. Company L, 1st MS Light Artillery, Capt. Samuel C. Bains
      4. Misc.
        1. 54th Alabama, Lt. Joel P. Abney
        2. 6th Mississippi (detachment), Maj. J.R. Stevens
        3. City Guards, Capt. E.B. Martin
        4. Signal Corps Detachment, Capt. C.A. King

III. Third Military District - Port Hudson Defense / District of East Louisiana
  1. Gardner's Division - MG Frank Gardner
    1. Beal's Brigade - BG W.N.R. Beall (1,869 men)
      1. 49th AL (500 men)
      2. 10th AR (200 men)
      3. 11th/17th AR - Col. John Logan (250 men)
      4. 12th AR - Col. T.J. Reid (400 men)
      5. 14th/18th/23rd AR - Col. O.P. Lyles (400 men)
      6. 15th/16th/1st(8th) Battalion AR - Col. B.W. Johnson (484 men)
      7. 1st MS (200 men)
      8. 39th MS - Col. W.B. Shelby (250 men)
      9. 1st MS Light ART Battery (75 men)
    2. Cavalry
      1. LA Co. (50 men)
      2. LA Co. (50 men)
      3. LA Co. (50 men)
      4. MS Battalion (150 men)
      5. MS Co. (50 men)
      6. MS Co. (50 men)
      7. MS Co. (50 men)
      8. MS Co. (50 men)
      9. 9th TN Battalion (150 men)
    3. Infantry
      1. 9th LA Infantry (250 men)
      2. Miles LA Legion
        1. Miles Regiment INF
        2. Miles CAV Battalion
        3. Miles ART Battery
      3. Maxey's BD Battalion
      4. Gregg's BD Battalion
      5. Rust's BD Battalion
    4. Artillery
      1. 1st AL
      2. 12th LA Battalion
      3. 1st TN Battalion
IV. Fourth Military District - BG J.Z. George (1,950 men)
  1. George's Brigade - BG J.Z. George (1,500 men)
    1. MS State Troop Regiments
  2. Other Units
    1. 1st MS Battalion "Chocktaw" - Maj. Pierce (150 men)
    2. KY CAV Co. (50 men)
    3. KY CAV Co. (50 men)
    4. 1st MS Battalion "State Troops" - Maj. W.B. Harper (150 men)
    5. 15th MS co. C (50 men)
V. Fifth Military District - BG James Chalmers (1,000 men)
  1. Units
    1. 1st MS CAV "Partisan Rangers" - Col. W.C. Falkner (200 men)
    2. 3rd MS CAV (3 companies) - Col. John McGuirk (150 men)
    3. Matthew's Battalion "MS State Troops" - Capt. Sam Matthews (225 men)
    4. MS Cav Co. (50 men)
    5. MS CAV Co. (50 men)
    6. MS CAV Co. (50 men)
    7. MS CAV Co. (50 men)
    8. MS CAV Battalion "State Troops" Maj. G.L. Blythe (225 men)







Army of Mississippi
11,747 men
Lt. General Leonidas Polk[​


  1. Infantry
    1. French's Division - MG Sam French (2,032 men)
      1. McNair's Brigade - BG Evander McNair (840 men)
        1. 1st AR Mounted Rifles (dismounted), Col. Robert W. Harper (254 men)
        2. 2d AR Mounted Rifles (dismounted), Col. J. A. Williamson (125 men)
        3. 4th AR, Col. Henry G. Bunn (150 men)
        4. 9th AR, Col. Isaac L. Dunlop (200 men)
        5. 25th/31st AR (Consolidated), Col. Thomas H. McCray (111 men)
      2. Maxey's Brigade - BG Samuel Maxey (967 men)
        1. 42d TN, Lt. Col. Isaac N. Hulme (150 men)
        2. 46th/55th TN (Consolidated), Col. Alexander J. Brown (270 men)
        3. 49th TN, Maj. David A. Lynn (250 men)
        4. 53d TN, Lt. Col. John R. White (237 men)
        5. 1st Texas Sharpshooter Battalion, Maj. James Burnet (50 men)
      3. Divisional Artillery (300 men)
        1. Fenner's (LA) Battery, Capt. Charles E. Fenner
        2. Macbeth (SC) Artillery, Lt. B.A. Jeter
        3. Culpeper's (SC) Battery, Capt. James F. Culpeper
    2. Loring's Division - MG William Loring (5,216 men)
  2. Adam's Brigade - BG John Adams (1,992 men)
    1. 1st CONF Battalion, Lt. Col. George H. Forney (150 men)
    2. 6th MS, Col. Robert Lowry (250 men)
    3. 14th MS, Lt. Col. Washington L. Doss (287 men)
    4. 15th MS, Col. Michael Farrell (300 men)
    5. 20th MS, Col. Daniel R. Russell (250 men)
    6. 23rd MS, Col. Joseph M. Wells (250 men)
    7. 26th MS, Col. Arthur E. Reynolds, (420 men)
    8. 43rd MS Battalion SS - Capt. M. Pounds (50 men)
    9. Lookout (TN) Artillery, Capt. Robert L. Barry (75 men)
  3. Buford's Brigade - BG Abraham Buford (1,389 men)
    1. 27th AL, Col. James Jackson (300 men)
    2. 35th AL, Col. Edward Goodwin (500 men)
    3. 54th AL, Col. Alpheus Baker (300 men)
    4. 55th AL, Col. John Snodgrass (279 men)
    5. 40th AL Battalion SS - Maj. Thomas O. Stone (50 men)
  4. Misc.
    1. 3d MO Cavalry (dismounted), Lt. Col. D. Todd Samuels
    2. Company A, Pointe Coupee Artillery, Capt. Alcide Bouanchaud
  5. Featherston's Brigade - BG Winfield Featherston (1,501 men)
    1. 3rd MS, Col. Thomas A. Mellon (572 men)
    2. 22d MS, Col. Frank S. Schaller (300 men)
    3. 31st MS, Col. John A. Orr (279 men)
    4. 33d MS, Col. David W. Hurst (200 men)
    5. 1st MS Sharpshooter Battalion, Maj. William A. Rayburn (50 men)
    6. Charpentier's AL Battery, Capt. Stephen Charpentier (75 men)
    7. Company C, 14th MS Artillery Battalion, Capt. J. Culbertson (15 men)
  1. Cavalry
    1. Cavalry Division - BG George Cosby (4,499 men)
      1. 1st Brigade - Col. William Wirt Adams (1,959 men)
        1. 1st MS Cavalry, Col. R.A. Pinson (200 men)
        2. 4th MS Cavalry, Col. James Gordon, Maj. J.L. Harris (250 men)
        3. 28th MS Cavalry, Col. Peter B. Starke (500 men)
        4. Wirt Adams' MS Cavalry, Col. William Wirt Adams (522 men)
        5. Ballentine's MS Cavalry, Lt. Col. William L. Maxwell (262 men)
        6. 17th MS Cavalry Battalion (State Troops), Maj. Abner C. Steede (150 men)
        7. Clark's MS Battery, Capt. Houston King (75 men)
      2. 2nd Brigade - BG John Whitfield (1,900 men)
        1. 3d TX CAV, Col. Giles S. Boggess (350 men)
        2. 6th TX CAV, Col. Lawrence S. Ross (575 men)
        3. 9th TX CAV, Col. Dudley W. Jones (450 men)
        4. 27th TX CAV (also called 1st Texas Legion), Lt. Col. John H. Broocks (350 men)
        5. Bridge's AR Cavalry Battalion, Maj. H.W. Bridges (175 men)
      3. Escorts and Guards (405 men)
        1. 1st LA CAV (225 men)
        2. Company A, 7th TN Cavalry, Capt. W.F. Taylor (60 men)
        3. Independent Company LA Cavalry, Capt. J.Y. Webb (60 men)
        4. Provost Guard (Company D 4th MS Cavalry), Capt. James Ruffinv 60 men)
  2. Artillery
    1. Corps Artillery
      1. Artillery Battalion - Maj. W.C. Preston (225 men)
        1. Columbus GA Battery, Capt. Edward Croft
        2. Durrive's LA Battery, Capt. E. Durrive, Jr.
        3. Battery B, Palmetto SC Artillery, Capt. J. Wates
 
Dept of East TN missing also 6th, 7th, 8th KYC.
4/25/63 Dept of East Tenn, Maury cdg
1st Bgde Marshall
9th Ga Arty Bn
1st Ky Mtd Rif, Clay
2nd Ky Mtd Rif, Johnson
4th Ky Cav
5th Ky
10th Ky Mtd Rif, Caudill
27th Va Bn (P R)
64th Va
2nd Bgde Maxwell
1st Fla DC
6th Fla
7th Fla
65th Ga
3rd Bgde Gracie
43rd Ala
Hilliard's Leg
63rd Tenn
4th Bgde Jackson
62nd NC
Thomas Leg
Thomas Leg Bn
5th Bgde Palmer

55th Ga
58th NC
64th NC
Unattached
16th Ga Bn P R
54th Va
Cavalry
1st Bgde Morrison
1st Ga
1st Tenn
2nd Tenn
12th Tenn Bn
16th Tenn Bn
2nd Bgde Scott
10th Conf
6th Ga
1st La
5th NC Bn
7th NC Bn
5th Tenn


7/31/63 Cumberland Gap
5th Bgde -Frazer
55th Ga - Lt Col Persons
58th NC - Col J. B. Palmer
64th NC - Major T. P. Jones
Kolb's Btry - Capt R. F. Kolb
 
It was at the max. The colonel had been killed in a skirmish two months after the unit's forming, but nothing after that.

Hmmm...what if Archer's AL units went to Wilcox's brigade, Steuart's 2 NC units to Hoke/Avery OR Iverson, and Steuart's VA regiments went to Heth's (Brockenbrough's) brigade? Then Archer's TN regiments could go with Davis's MS regiments, although that would mean Archer loses his command...

Only thing is, I think Kennedy's senior to Henagan, so Kennedy'd get the brigade. Always wondered why James Conner got promoted over Kennedy to get the brigade -- he's not even a South Carolinian.
The 44th NC whilst en route to join Lee's army with Pettigrew's Brigade, was halted at Hanover Junction, Virginia, to guard the RR connections there entering, & thus protecting Gen Lee's communications with Richmond. Col T. C. Singletary with two Co's remained at the Junction. Maj Charles M. Stedman, with four Co's, commanded north of the Junction & the bridges of the Fredericksburg, & of the Central (now C. & O.), RR across the South Anna & the Little River, four in number, were entrusted to Lt-Col Hargrove, who posted one Co at each bridge, remaining personally with Co A, at Central's bridge, across the South Anna, the post of the greatest danger.
On the morning of the 26th of June, 1863, the Federal troops appeared before Lt-Col Hargrove & his small force of forty men, stationed in a breastwork on the south side of the river, built to be manned by not less than 400 men.
Before Col Spear made his first attack, Lt-Col Hargrove abandoned the breastwork as being entirely untenable by so small a force, fell back to the north side of the river, posted his men under cover along the river bank, & for two hours successfully resisted repeated efforts to capture the bridge by direct assault, although assailed by a force outnumbering his own at least thirty-five to one. Failing in a direct attack, Col Spear sent 400 men across the river by an old ford, under cover of a violent assault in front from the south, & was about to assail Lt-Col Hargrove in his rear, which was entirely unprotected, when Co G, consisting of forty men, having been ordered from Central bridge over the river at Taylorsville, more than three miles distant, arrived & occupied the breastwork north of the river, at its intersection with the RR, & about 200 yards from the bridge, thus protecting the rear of Co A. Co G had scarcely got into position when the charge of 400 Cav, intended for the unprotected rear of Co A, was delivered against Co G, protected by the breastwork, & was repulsed, as were two other charges made at intervals of about fifteen minutes, while attacks were made simultaneously on Co A, from across the river with like results.
During a lull in the fighting, the Federal force on the north side was reinforced by 400 men, & an assault on both Co's A & G was (at the same time) ordered. Col Spear crossed the river & ordered the attack made up the river bank against Co G's unprotected right, & Co A's unprotected left flank, at the abutment of the bridge. The enormous odds prevailed, but only after a most desperate & hand to hand conflict, with pistol, saber & bayonet, in which Confederates & Federals were commingled.
In the final assault; Co A lost half of its men. The loss of Co G was not heavy. The Federal loss exceeded the entire number of Confederate troops engaged. Col Spear retreated after burning one bridge instead of four. He stated in the presence of his own command & that of Lieut. Col. Hargrove, that "the resistance made by the Confederates was the most stubborn he had known during the war; that he supposed that he was fighting 400 Infy instead of eighty, & that his expedition had entirely failed of its object, which was to cut Gen Lee's communications with Richmond."
No more gallant fight was made during the entire Civil War, than by Lt-Col Hargrove's command. He won the admiration of both friend & foe by his personal gallantry, & only surrendered when overpowered & taken by sheer physical force.
 
This is the timeline I'm operating under. Davis basically heeds Johnstons warnings, and reorganizes heavily for the upcoming campaigning season. Lee is reinforced, Bragg gets back most of his troops.

May 7: Lee suggests all troops "not needed to man the water batteries" be sent from the Carolinas to reinforce or assist him.
May 9: Seddon telegraphs Lee suggesting that Pickett's division be sent to join Pemberton.
McNair and Ector's brigades ordered to "to cook immediately three days' rations, and to march on to-morrow morning (10th) to Wartrace, at which place they will take the cars. They will send their baggage in, to go on the cars from this place (Shelbyville) in the morning."
Johnston sets out for Mississippi.
May 10: Churchill's brigade sent to Tullahoma (arrives May 17th). They join Cleburne's division on the 24th.
Lee states that sending Pickett's men would be a ill-advised.
May 11-13: Lee and Longstreet discuss and examine strategy and plans for the future.
(May 11) Lee states that according to his intelligence, the Army of the Potomac has been reinforced by 48,000 men.
May 12: Battle of Raymond
May 13: Johnston arrives in Jackson and tells Richmond "I am too late."
May 14: Battle of Jackson.
May 15: Conference in Richmond by Lee and the Confederate leaders on what to do.

The organizations I've listed would be in place by end of May - beginning of July. Depending on how long the units have to travel. On top of replacing Bragg with Beauregard, a major organizing of the army takes place in preparation for the campaign in Tullahoma. Which Beauregard now with a slightly larger army will fight.
 
I have basically done with Lee's infantry what Lee suggested on May 20th:
May 20:
His Excellency JEFFERSON DAVIS:

Mr. PRESIDENT: I cannot express the concern I felt at leaving you in such feeble health, with so many anxious thoughts for the welfare of the whole Confederacy weighing upon your mind. I pray that a kind Providence will give upon you, and that you may soon have the gratification of seeing the country liberated from its enemies, and all your labors crowned with success. In the matters I propose now to submit to the consideration of Your Excellency, I shall endeavor to be brief.
...
I have for the past year felt that the corps of this army were too large for one commander. Nothing prevented my proposing to you to reduce their size and increase their number but my inability to recommend commanders. Each corps contains, when in fighting condition, about 30,000 men. These are more than one man can properly handle and keep under his eye in battle in the country that we have to operate in. They are always beyond the range of his vision, and frequently beyond his reach. The loss of Jackson from command of one-half the army seems to me a good opportunity to remedy this evil. If, therefore, you think Ewell is able to do field duty, I submit to your better judgment whether the most advantageous arrangement would not be to put him in command of three divisions of Jackson's corps, to take on of Longstreet's divisions, A. P. Hill's division, and form a division of Ransom's, Cooke's, and Pettigrew's brigades, and give the corps thus formed to A. P. Hill. In this event I also submit to you whether it would not be well to promote Ewell and A. P. Hill. The former is an honest, brave soldier, who has always done his duty well. The latter, I think upon the whole, is the best soldier of his grade with me.

...
With earnest wishes for your health and happiness, and with great respect, I am your obedient servant,
Hon JAMES A. SEDDON,
Secretary of War, Richmond, Va.:
SIR: The services of General Longstreet will be required with this army. Upon his leaving the department south of James River, I had supposed its command would have devolved upon General D. H. Hill, as the senior major-general. He informed me this morning that he directed the three major-generals in command of the several districts to report directly to the War Department. I would recommend, therefore, that General D. H. Hill be assigned to the command of the department between the James River and Cape Fear.
The battery at Drewry's Bluff, if considered more convenient, could be embraced within the command of General Elzey.
I wish General Hill to make such disposition of his troops as to give me all the force that can be spared from North Carolina.
Jenkins' brigade, belonging to Pickett's division, is still on the Blackwater, and I do not like to order it up until I hear whether proper dispositions are made to relieve it. It is much wanted with its division.
Our scouts report that General Heintzelman, with his corps from Washington, has joined General Hooker, Governor Curtin having promised to defend Washington City with 20,000 State troops.
I have not yet heard of any fleet of transports ascending the Potomac. Single transports are frequently seen coming up the river.
Regiments of the two-years' men are being discharged, I learn, as their time expires, and, it is thought, are sent off at night.
I am, with great respect, your obedient servant,
R. E. LEE, General.
 
As for the Cavalry, we can see what Lee was wanting to do. I have. tried to endeavor to create, though I've definitely went a little farther. We can see Lee's thoughts on his message on May 7th and on May 23rd.

On May 7th we can see in the first paragraph that Lee wants to create divisions in his cavalry arm. So that's what I did.
May 7: If I could get two good divisions of cavalry, I should feel as if we ought to resist the three of the enemy. I beg You Excellency will consider this matter, and see if it is not possible to augment our cavalry arm to the extent proposed as speedily as practicable. The disparity between our infantry force and that of the enemy is too large to reasonably expect success. The strength of the enemy seems to be greater than I had estimated, as, from various sources, it is stated they crossed the Rappahannock with 120,000 men. Our effective strength with which we marched out to meet him, according to the lest returns, did not reach 40,000. If these estimate are correct, you will see that the force opposed to us was three to our one. This disparity of numbers is corroborated by the extent of our loss, which is always in proportion to the inequality of forces engaged. I fear that our loss in killed and wounded will approximate 10,000 men in the different engagements.

I bring these facts to Your Excellency's notice now that you may take such means as in your judgment seem best to increase the strength of the army. This can be done, in my opinion, by bringing troops from the departments of South Carolina, Georgia, and Florida. No more can be needed there this summer than enough to maintain the water batteries. Nor do I think that more will be required at Wilmington than are sufficient for this purpose. If they are kept in their present positions in these departments, they will perish of disease. I know there order General Beauregard in with all the forces which can be spared, and to put him in command here, than to keep them there inactive and this army efficient from paucity of numbers.

May 10: (The removal of Pickett's Division) from this army will be sensibly felt. Unless we can obtain some re-enforcements, we may be obliged to withdraw into the defenses around Richmond. We are greatly outnumbered by the enemy now. Taking the report of Surgeon Letterman, medical director of General Hooker's army, the number of sick reported by him and the ratio of the sick to the whole number, his aggregate force, by calculation, amounts to more than 159,000 men.

I see by the Herald of the 7th instant that Heintzelman, with 30,000 men, had marched to re-enforce him. You can, therefore, see the odds against us and decide whether the line of Virginia is more in danger than the line of the Mississippi. If Pickett's division is ordered to the west, Pettigrew's brigade had better be ordered to the Blackwater. I think troops ordered from Virginia to the Mississippi at this season would be greatly endangered by the climate. The strength of this army has been reduced by the casualties in the late battles.
I am, with great respect, your obedient servant,
R. E. LEE, General.


ON May 23rd we see in a letter to Stuart that LEE wants no part of Robertson in field command. SO I have sent Robertson back to NC to organize some of the other regiments down there.

May 23:
General J. E. B. STUART:
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I wished to leave Robertson in North Carolina, but learned from the President that General Hill had attached each of the three regiments there to the divisions of Generals French, Whiting, and himself, and consequently he had no command but the regiments he brought out. I shall endeavor, if possible, to get another regiment from North Carolina, but think it doubtful. I wish we had a camp of instruction and refreshment for cavalry. Robertson would be an excellent person to put in charge of it, but, as far as I can see, he would now have but little to do.

...

Very truly,
R. E. LEE, General.
 
ON May 30th Lee sends a letter to Hill expressing his inability to work with Hill. In my scenario Hill is promoted a bit earlier to corps command in Tennessee and so Lee is working with Ransom and Whiting in NC who are much more cooperative.

May 30:

His Excellency JEFFERSON DAVIS:
Mr. PRESIDENT: I hope you received my reply to your dispatch of yesterday.
When in Richmond, I gave General D. H. Hill discretionary instructions, stating my belief that the contest of the summer would take place in Virginia; to apportion his force to the strength of the enemy, and send me every man he could spare. He declined to act under those instructions, and requested positive instructions. He now offers objections, which, if previously presented, I should not have issued the latter. you will see that i am unable to operate under these circumstances, and request to be relieved from any control of the department form the James to the Cape Fear River. I have for nearly a month been endeavoring to get this army in a condition to move-to anticipate an expected blow from the enemy. I fear I shall have to receive it here at a disadvantage, or to retreat. The enemy will either make a combined movement to force me back, or transfer his army to the James River. If I was stronger, I think I could prevent either, and force him back.
You will perceive by the return of the 20th, forwarded to the Adjutant and Inspector General, the effective strength of the army. If I could use it altogether, or had only to oppose General Hooker's army, I should be content. But my wish has been to organize a force to defend Richmond against the army apparently collecting on the York River. I can get no positive information as to its strength. I have no knowledge of the scouts sent in that direction. General Longstreet, when on the Blackwater, set a person to Washington. He could get no ****her than Baltimore. No one but the military wee allowed on the cars from Baltimore to Washington, said to be Mitchell's from the west, going to General Hooker. At Old Point, on his return, he saw some of foster' troops, and was informed that Generals Dix, Keyes, and Foster were at West Point. There were only three companies at Fort Monroe.
I received this information with some allowance, but it may be taken as evidence that troops are being thrown into Virginia. I only directed Ransom's brigade to be sent to Richmond; Jenkins' to Hanover Junction; Cooke's to wait till movements of the enemy could be further ascertained.


General Longstreet says Pickett has no brigade in the place of Jenkins'. He had temporarily a brigade formed of two regiments from General Sam. jones and two from General Marshall. It was first under back to the west, one is still in Petersburg, or rather one that was exchanged for it.
This army has been diminished since last fall by the brigades of Jenkins, Ransom, Cooke, and Evans. It has been increased by Pettigrew's. i consider Colquitt's exchanged for Daniel's. General Hill has retained in North Carolina a regiment from Pettigrew and Daniel. General Hooker's army, as far as i can form an opinion, ha been increased.
I have given Your Excellency all the facts in my possession to enable you to form an opinion as to what is best to be done. I fear the time has passed when I could have taken the offensive with advantage. From the indications that reached me, the enemy is contemplating another movement. I have not discovered what it is. There may be other movement. I have not discovered what it is. There may be nothing left for me to do but fall back. General Hill has in North Carolina a Jenkin's, Davis', Cooke's, Ransom's, Clingman's, and Martin's brigades, a large amount of field artillery,a nd three regiments of cavalry; one of the latter, in addition to the two sent, he has offered to send me. I have directed him to suspend the execution of the orders from me, and await orders from the Adjutant and Inspector General.

I am, with great respect, your obedient servant,
R. E. LEE, General.
 
Here's another question. What is the latest that Pemberton could evacuate Vicksburg and link up with Johnston? When was Pembertron surrounded and not able to operate?
 
Here's another question. What is the latest that Pemberton could evacuate Vicksburg and link up with Johnston? When was Pembertron surrounded and not able to operate?

Here's another question. What is the latest that Pemberton could evacuate Vicksburg and link up with Johnston? When was Pembertron surrounded and not able to operate?
5/16 Battle of Champion Hill; Pemberton retreats into Vicksburg & is invested by the 18th

Arriving in Jackson on May 13, Johnston was too late and lacked the forces to save Vicksburg. Union general William T. Sherman was already at Clinton, positioning his army between Johnston and Pemberton. As Sherman neared Jackson, Johnston withdrew northward. He ordered Pemberton to join him, but the general instead moved his army into Vicksburg, in obedience to previous orders from Davis.

On 17 May, Johnston ordered him to evacuate Vicksburg and save his army. Again, Pemberton decided to disobey Johnston. On 18 May, Grant pushed Pemberton into Vicksburg and immediately invested the city

In a dispatch to Pemberton dated May 17,18 63, Johnston wrote:...If Haynes' Bluff is untenable, Vicksburg is of no value and cannot be held. If, therefore, you are invested in Vicksburg, you must ultimately surrender. Under such circumstances, instead of losing both troops and place, we must, if possible, save the troops. If it is not too late, evacuate Vicksburg and its dependencies, and march to the northeast. Again, Pemberton called a War Council and chose to disobey Johnston's order.

Late on the afternoon of May 13, as the Federals were poised to strike at Jackson, a train arrived in the capital city carrying Confederate General Joseph E. Johnston, ordered to the city by President Jefferson Davis to salvage the rapidly deteriorating situation in Mississippi. Establishing his headquarters at the Bowman House, General Johnston was apprised of troop strength and the condition of the fortifications around Jackson. He immediately wired authorities in Richmond, "I am too late," and instead of fighting for Jackson, ordered the city evacuated.
 
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5/16 Battle of Champion Hill; Pemberton retreats into Vicksburg & is invested by the 18th

Arriving in Jackson on May 13, Johnston was too late and lacked the forces to save Vicksburg. Union general William T. Sherman was already at Clinton, positioning his army between Johnston and Pemberton. As Sherman neared Jackson, Johnston withdrew northward. He ordered Pemberton to join him, but the general instead moved his army into Vicksburg, in obedience to previous orders from Davis.

On 17 May, Johnston ordered him to evacuate Vicksburg and save his army. Again, Pemberton decided to disobey Johnston. On 18 May, Grant pushed Pemberton into Vicksburg and immediately invested the city

In a dispatch to Pemberton dated May 17,18 63, Johnston wrote:...If Haynes' Bluff is untenable, Vicksburg is of no value and cannot be held. If, therefore, you are invested in Vicksburg, you must ultimately surrender. Under such circumstances, instead of losing both troops and place, we must, if possible, save the troops. If it is not too late, evacuate Vicksburg and its dependencies, and march to the northeast. Again, Pemberton called a War Council and chose to disobey Johnston's order.

Late on the afternoon of May 13, as the Federals were poised to strike at Jackson, a train arrived in the capital city carrying Confederate General Joseph E. Johnston, ordered to the city by President Jefferson Davis to salvage the rapidly deteriorating situation in Mississippi. Establishing his headquarters at the Bowman House, General Johnston was apprised of troop strength and the condition of the fortifications around Jackson. He immediately wired authorities in Richmond, "I am too late," and instead of fighting for Jackson, ordered the city evacuated.
Could Pemberton IF HE CHOSE TO, have marched and joined Johnston at this time that Johnston asks him too?
 
Could Pemberton IF HE CHOSE TO, have marched and joined Johnston at this time that Johnston asks him too?
6/21 Gen Johnston's IG to Gen Joe Davis-…In Vicksburg we have an effective garrison, variously computed at between 15,000 & 18,000 men, with probably equipment & arms inclusive for 22,000. At Port Hudson we have a force, say, of 5,000 or 6,000, with probably arms, etc. for 8,000. I am particular in indicating the number of arms, as they are quite as important as the men, & are even more scarce.
To save Vicksburg with the army which has been sent to Gen Johnston to achieve that object, is simply a physical impossibility. It cannot be done & is not in the matter of hope or calculation. To relieve & extricate from the apparently doomed city its gallant garrison is frankly the only purpose for which operations are intended. True, we may have some miraculous interposition, but in the range of human accomplishment with his present force (barely 24,000), Gen Johnston does not expect to rescue the gallant men within the walls of Vicksburg…
Could Pemberton IF HE CHOSE TO, have marched and joined Johnston at this time that Johnston asks him too?

Unknown to Johnson, Pemberton had orders from President Davis to hold out at all costs. Johnston was not aware that Pemberton's sole objective was to defend Vicksburg per the President's order.

Further, he told Johnson of a council of war he had with his Generals and the conclusion was they could not cut their way out with any surviving force that would then be available to the government.
By the end of June, General Pemberton realized his situation was desperate. The hope of relief by General Johnston's army had quickly disappeared. Over 10,000 soldiers in Pemberton's Army of Vicksburg were incapacitated due to illness, wounds, and malnutrition. His supplies and munitions were at critically low levels. He learned that Grant was preparing for another massive assault on the Confederate works in early July.

After a meeting with his division commanders, Pemberton concluded that surrender was inevitable.
Vicksburg, Miss., July 1, 1863.
General : Unless the siege of Vicksburg is raised or supplies are thrown in, it will be necessary very shortly to evacuate the place. I see no prospect of the former, and there are very great, if not insuperable, obstacles in the way of the latter. You are, therefore, requested to inform me, with as little delay as possible, as to the condition of your troops, and their ability to make the marches and undergo the fatigues necessary to accomplish a successful evacuation. You will, of course, use the utmost discretion while informing yourself through your subordinates upon all points tending to a clear elucidation of the subjects of my inquiry.
Very respectfully, your obedient servant,
J. 0. PEMBERTON, Lieutenant- General, Commanding.
M Gen Stevenson
 
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6/21 Gen Johnston's IG to Gen Joe Davis-…In Vicksburg we have an effective garrison, variously computed at between 15,000 & 18,000 men, with probably equipment & arms inclusive for 22,000. At Port Hudson we have a force, say, of 5,000 or 6,000, with probably arms, etc. for 8,000. I am particular in indicating the number of arms, as they are quite as important as the men, & are even more scarce.
To save Vicksburg with the army which has been sent to Gen Johnston to achieve that object, is simply a physical impossibility. It cannot be done & is not in the matter of hope or calculation. To relieve & extricate from the apparently doomed city its gallant garrison is frankly the only purpose for which operations are intended. True, we may have some miraculous interposition, but in the range of human accomplishment with his present force (barely 24,000), Gen Johnston does not expect to rescue the gallant men within the walls of Vicksburg…


Unknown to Johnson, Pemberton had orders from President Davis to hold out at all costs. Johnston was not aware that Pemberton's sole objective was to defend Vicksburg per the President's order.

Further, he told Johnson of a council of war he had with his Generals and the conclusion was they could not cut their way out with any surviving force that would then be available to the government.
By the end of June, General Pemberton realized his situation was desperate. The hope of relief by General Johnston's army had quickly disappeared. Over 10,000 soldiers in Pemberton's Army of Vicksburg were incapacitated due to illness, wounds, and malnutrition. His supplies and munitions were at critically low levels. He learned that Grant was preparing for another massive assault on the Confederate works in early July.

After a meeting with his division commanders, Pemberton concluded that surrender was inevitable.
Vicksburg, Miss., July 1, 1863.
General : Unless the siege of Vicksburg is raised or supplies are thrown in, it will be necessary very shortly to evacuate the place. I see no prospect of the former, and there are very great, if not insuperable, obstacles in the way of the latter. You are, therefore, requested to inform me, with as little delay as possible, as to the condition of your troops, and their ability to make the marches and undergo the fatigues necessary to accomplish a successful evacuation. You will, of course, use the utmost discretion while informing yourself through your subordinates upon all points tending to a clear elucidation of the subjects of my inquiry.
Very respectfully, your obedient servant,
J. 0. PEMBERTON, Lieutenant- General, Commanding.
M Gen Stevenson
Correct BUT IF, Davis gives different orders, or gave Pembertron more latitude, COULD he have got out of Vicksburg between May 13-15?
 

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