Unknown Civil War Cannonball

Grant

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Apr 20, 2012
I just purchased a cannonball from a garage sale, it belonged to an American Civil War collector. It weighs 40-45 pounds, usually 45. (Bad scale) I have posted these pictures to see if anybody knows what this ball was used for. Notice the small knobs and raised iron on the picture below, that could be either chain shot, or used for other. Probably too big for chain shot. Expired Image RemovedExpired Image RemovedExpired Image Removed
 
Do you have a diameter for us? Diameter will tell more than anything else.

I'm wondering if it is a mortar round possibly CSA, with their version of the eyes for the tongs to place the ball so that the fuze is in the correct orientation for firing. Fuze opening (now plugged) in the right place for that. I'll take a look at some books.
 
Based on the weight and the assumption that this is some kind of shell, it is most likely an 8". Could be mortar, gun or howitzer. Looks like it was underground or submerged a long time so I really can't tell what is where on it. Do you see any sign that it has been deactivated?

The "shadow" of a sabot cap & strap is puzzling because of placement. Perhaps it was how the collecter had it displayed. In the 3rd photo at almost the very top there is a circular impression/roughspot that resembles either a fill hole (now sealed), another fuze plug penetration point, or maybe nothing... It would be intersting if there was another like it about 120 degrees away. That would be the layout for carcass, which the CSA ordered in 1862, but there are no known recoveries according to Jack Bell's Heavy Explosive Ordnance. Even it it was it doesn't look like it was used that way.

Another poster mentioned sand filled rounds recently, and we know they were used by seacoast mortars at times. The odd looking fuze plug location with what looks like a rough iron or other fill has me wondering.
 
I guess there is no chance that thing has powder it. Just in case, don't drop it.

The lack of any modern looking penetration suggests to me that it still has its original contents, although that might only be sand. (Was checking and sand filled shells were sometimes used for testing shells--if the pattern was wrong and it was powder filled it would break up during firing, hence the test of a new mold. Could also be used for intial test firing of a piece, clearing bore, etc.)

I would want somebody experienced in evaluating these things to take a look at it if it was mine. There used to be a forum that the experts (several authors on the subject) gathered at, can't recall the name as I haven't visited in a few years. Did a quick search and came up empty...need to hunt through an old disk drive.

I wouldn't suggest using it as a corner support for grilling over an open fire.
 
The lack of any modern looking penetration suggests to me that it still has its original contents, although that might only be sand. (Was checking and sand filled shells were sometimes used for testing shells--if the pattern was wrong and it was powder filled it would break up during firing, hence the test of a new mold. Could also be used for intial test firing of a piece, clearing bore, etc.)

I would want somebody experienced in evaluating these things to take a look at it if it was mine. There used to be a forum that the experts (several authors on the subject) gathered at, can't recall the name as I haven't visited in a few years. Did a quick search and came up empty...need to hunt through an old disk drive.

I wouldn't suggest using it as a corner support for grilling over an open fire.
I agree with you 100%. I remember reading about an expierienced CW collecter blowing up his house with himself working on a Civil War cannonball a few years back. No joke those things were ment to do harm and I would be very careful with it untill I was sure.
 
found the story on it.

CHESTER, Va. - Like many boys in the South, Sam White got hooked on the Civil War early, digging up rusting bullets and military buttons in the battle-scarred earth of his hometown.
As an adult, he crisscrossed the Virginia countryside in search of wartime relics - weapons, battle flags, even artillery shells buried in the red clay. He sometimes put on diving gear to feel for treasures hidden in the black muck of river bottoms.
But in February, White's hobby cost him his life: A cannonball he was restoring exploded, killing him in his driveway.
More than 140 years after Lee surrendered to Grant, the cannonball was still powerful enough to send a chunk of shrapnel through the front porch of a house a quarter-mile from White's home in this leafy Richmond suburb.
White's death shook the close-knit fraternity of relic collectors and raised concerns about the dangers of other Civil War munitions that lie buried beneath old battlefields. Explosives experts said the fatal blast defied extraordinary odds.
"You can't drop these things on the ground and make them go off," said retired Col. John F. Biemeck, formerly of the Army Ordnance Corps.
White, 53, was one of thousands of hobbyists who comb former battlegrounds for artifacts using metal detectors, pickaxes, shovels and trowels.
"There just aren't many areas in the South in which battlefields aren't located. They're literally under your feet," said Harry Ridgeway, a former relic hunter who has amassed a vast collection. "It's just a huge thrill to pull even a mundane relic out of the ground."
After growing up in Petersburg, White went to college, served on his local police force, then worked for 25 years as a deliveryman for UPS. He retired in 1998 and devoted most of his time to relic hunting.
He was an avid reader, a Civil War raconteur and an amateur historian who watched History Channel programs over and over, to the mild annoyance of his wife.
"I used to laugh at him and say, 'Why do you watch this? You know how it turned out. It's not going to be any different,'" Brenda White said.
She didn't share her husband's devotion, but she was understanding of his interest.
"True relic hunters who have this passion, they don't live that way vicariously, like if you were a sports fanatic," she said. "Finding a treasure is their touchdown, even if it's two, three bullets."
Union and Confederate troops lobbed an estimated 1.5 million artillery shells and cannonballs at each other from 1861 to 1865. As many as one in five were duds.
Some of the weapons remain buried in the ground or river bottoms. In late March, a 44-pound, 8-inch mortar shell was uncovered at Petersburg National Battlefield, the site of an epic 292-day battle. The shell was taken to the city landfill and detonated.
Black powder provided the destructive force for cannonballs and artillery shells. The combination of sulfur, potassium nitrate and finely ground charcoal requires a high temperature - 572 degrees Fahrenheit - and friction to ignite.
White estimated he had worked on about 1,600 shells for collectors and museums. On the day he died, he had 18 cannonballs lined up in his driveway to restore.
White's efforts seldom raised safety concerns. His wife and son Travis sometimes stood in the driveway as he worked.
"Sam knew his stuff, no doubt about it," said Jimmy Blankenship, historian-curator at the Petersburg battleground. "He did know Civil War ordnance."
An investigation by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms will not be complete until the end of May, but police who responded to the blast and examined shrapnel concluded that it came from a Civil War explosive.
Experts suspect White was killed while trying to disarm a 9-inch, 75-pound naval cannonball, a particularly potent explosive with a more complex fuse and many times the destructive power of those used by infantry artillery.
Biemeck and Peter George, co-author of a book on Civil War ordnance, believe White was using either a drill or a grinder attached to a drill to remove grit from the cannonball, causing a shower of sparks.
Because of the fuse design, it may have appeared as though the weapon's powder had already been removed, leading even a veteran like White to conclude mistakenly that the ball was inert.
The weapon also had to be waterproof because it was designed to skip over the water at 600 mph to strike at the waterline of an enemy ship. The protection against moisture meant the ball could have remained potent longer than an infantry shell.
Brenda White is convinced her husband was working on a flawed cannonball, and no amount of caution could have prevented his death.
"He had already disarmed the shell," she said. "From what I was told, there was absolutely nothing he had done wrong, that there was a manufacturing defect that no one would have known was there."
After White's death, about two dozen homes were evacuated for two days while explosives experts collected pieces from his collection and detonated them.
Today, there is little evidence of the Feb. 18 blast. The garage where White did most of his work is still crammed with his discoveries, many painstakingly restored and mounted. Rusted horseshoes are piled high in the crook of a small tree.
White's digging partner, Fred Lange, hasn't had the heart to return to his relic hunting.
"I truly miss him," Lange said. "Not a day that goes by that I don't think of him."

http://www.military.com/news/article/civil-war-cannonball-kills-collector.html
 
I remember when Peter George posted that to the forum (the other forum I was talking about).

This inerting should have been done submerged in a tank, and remotely. They rinse out the powder to render it inert. Drilling or grinding into the powder in open air is not wise.
 
I remember when Peter George posted that to the forum.

This inerting should have been done submerged in a tank, and remotely. They rinse out the powder to render it inert. Drilling or grinding into the powder in open air is not wise.
Good point Red Harvest, but my concern is that the poster who has just got this relic at a garage sale does not have any documentation that he has presented, that the thing has been checked out. I would not want it in my house without knowing for sure. Im sure you agree.
 
Yup, that's the trick with black powder weaponry... the powder can be every bit as dangerous now as it was 150 years ago.

I agree that it could be a shell. That was the first thing that crossed my mind when I saw the photo. Definitely not naval chain shot, anyway; that wasn't made in sizes that large AFAIK.
 
Oh well, when he has his Wile E Coyote moment maybe somebody will come on here and let us know.

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The very first reply to this thread by Red Harvest is one of the keys to determining what this object really is. You have to know what the diameter is before you go any farther. Yes, all the advice on handling potentialy dangerous items is correct and proper, but it doesn't help in identifying what the individual has. From the looks of the pattern of the carpet the item is sitting on it doesn't look large enough to be a 8" mortar shell.

Anything that is iron and round is always identified as a "Cannon Ball" before anything else. Many such "Cannon Balls" have turned out to be industrial iron balls from crushers known as "Ball Mills". The assorted dents in the item shown are indicitave of industrial use. I was once shown a 3" diameter solid shot "Cannon Ball" that a friend found in a field that was no where near any military engagements. Because the field was 75 miles from Ft. Niagara he hypothesized that it was from a militia gun and had been fired in practice. I pointed out where something on the surface had been broken off. He justiifed it by saying it was it was the remnants of where the sprue had been in casting the ball. Eventually it turned out to be a ball that had been broken off the governer on a traction engine probably sometime around the turn of the last century.

Again, caution is always the byword until it is properly identified.

J.
 
Still, if the weight stated is accurate (around 40 pounds), it would have to be at least 6.8" - 7" in diameter if solid. 8" isn't unreasonable if it's some sort of shell. So there's ample grounds for suspicion there.

But your speculation that it's something other than a "cannon ball" is definitely interesting.
 
Half of the time people I have asked off this forum claim that it MIGHT be a cannonball/shell, but the the other half suggest that it is a civilian tool. I'm wondering who would be considered an "expert" that I could take the object to for evaluation.

Don't worry, I have been keeping my distance from it ever since I got it due to the possibility of detonation.
 
Anything that is iron and round is always identified as a "Cannon Ball" before anything else. Many such "Cannon Balls" have turned out to be industrial iron balls from crushers known as "Ball Mills". The assorted dents in the item shown are indicitave of industrial use.
That's a good point about the apparent denting. Those indentationsions seem too regularly shaped for any sort of corrosion effect. I'm not a digger and took the collector sourcing at face value.

The part that bothers me most about this is the protruding/plug surface appears to be of the same iron composition as the rest of the ball. That doesn't make sense for a fuse plug part (bushings and fuses were not of iron as best I can tell.)
 
My opinion is its an steel ore crusher ball or something of that sort. All the dents and the red rust ring around it point to that.
Also why would some one plug the fuse hole like that? The only thing else i can see is it almost looks like it had lifting ears that were filled in too. Until the original poster gives the diameter it's anybody's guess.
The picture i posted in post #16 is right from the artillery bible. It is the only one even close.
 

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