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The Union recruited volunteers from Confederates held at Prisoner of War camps. With the man power shortages the Confederacy suffered from, was there any movement to recruit Confederate volunteers from Union prisoners they held?
Oh please ! Most Indians where not eradicated and has I mentioned in the Native Americans in the Civil war thread with sources the CSA killed plenty of Indians men women and children. The main reason they where sent west was because if they would be captured by the CSA they would be executed. Southerners had no problem killing Indians . yes Indians fought on the CSA has well has for the Union. CSA Indians deserted quite a bit.Unfortunately, most were sent west to fight in the union's indian eradication
Unfortunately, the union sent most west to fight that government’s Indian eradication wars.
You know that CSA Today has to mention Indian eradication at least once weekly if not more often. Get used to it.Oh please ! Most Indians where not eradicated and has I mentioned in the Native Americans in the Civil war thread with sources the CSA killed plenty of Indians men women and children. The main reason they where sent west was because if they would be captured by the CSA they would be executed. Southerners had no problem killing Indians . yes Indians fought on the CSA has well has for the Union. CSA Indians deserted quite a bit.
Leftyhunter
Oh please ! Most Indians where not eradicated and has I mentioned in the Native Americans in the Civil war thread with sources the CSA killed plenty of Indians men women and children. The main reason they where sent west was because if they would be captured by the CSA they would be executed. Southerners had no problem killing Indians . yes Indians fought on the CSA has well has for the Union. CSA Indians deserted quite a bit.
Leftyhunter
You know that CSA Today has to mention Indian eradication at least once weekly if not more often. Get used to it.
http://www.encyclopediavirginia.org/desertion_confederate_during_the_civil_warYet despite harsher conditions and being a factor of large significance, desertion in the South was less extensive than in the North.
Or less extensive?http://www.encyclopediavirginia.org/desertion_confederate_during_the_civil_war
Because total numbers in uniform vary significantly, are we talking percentages or absolutes?
Again we have to do the math. The CSA with a white population of 5.5 million has at least 200k desertion vs The Union with 26 million people had 300k deserters.Yet despite harsher conditions and being a factor of large significance, desertion in the South was less extensive than in the North.
Or less extensive?
Bull, 200,000 would have been 1/4th of the Confederate army.Again we have to do the math. The CSA with a white population of 5.5 million has at least 200k desertion vs The Union with 26 million people had 300k deserters.
Leftyhunter
Again we have to do the math. The CSA with a white population of 5.5 million has at least 200k desertion vs The Union with 26 million people had 300k deserters.
Leftyhunter
I will have to find a quote for the 200k vs 300k figure. Essential Civil war Curriculum Deserters Cowardice and Punishment Dr.Mark Weitz there where approx 103k deserters vs 200 to 280 k Union deserters again the South had a smaller army approx 600 k to 1.3 mil vs approx 2 mil for the Union. I have quoted before that by late 1864 Davis admitted 2/3's of the CSA was AWOl. Also this thread is about galvanized Confederates not desertion you can bring up the previous threads.According to J.G. Randall and David Donald, The Civil War and Reconstruction (footnote page.330) the desertion rate among Federal troops were 4,647 a month in 1863 and 7,333 monthly in 1864. In 1864, 7,333 men would have been the equivalent of one large division or two small divisions. If the Confederate States, with its much smaller population, had lost that many men monthly in 1864 it could never have lasted until April 1865 even with it much smaller but superior army.
Found it . If you want to debate CSA desertion go to the politics forum I just brought up that thread.According to J.G. Randall and David Donald, The Civil War and Reconstruction (footnote page.330) the desertion rate among Federal troops were 4,647 a month in 1863 and 7,333 monthly in 1864. In 1864, 7,333 men would have been the equivalent of one large division or two small divisions. If the Confederate States, with its much smaller population, had lost that many men monthly in 1864 it could never have lasted until April 1865 even with it much smaller but superior army.
Hi Elennsar,I think 200k is too high from my limited study on the subject, so I'd like to see where that's from (It may have been posted previously, in which case just tell me the post).
But I'd definitely like to see why the concept of "1/4th the Confederate army deserted" should be regarded as implausible on the face of it too.
Will do.Hi Elennsar,
Check out post#23 in Derters in the Confederacy in the politics forum. I brought it back because I think its more appropriate.
Leftyhunter.
Hi Elennsar,Will do.
So to comment on the Galvanization question: Not sure if they'd count as galvanized as such, but I wonder if any of the men from the Marylanders who refused to move when their unit did (say, Company K of the 1st Eastern Shore) later enlisted in gray after being discharged. They don't seem to have been at all pro-secession.
It does not "go well." It is a deflection always brought up when you are pressed for a cogent response. It is a "yah, but" response with no value.It goes well with someone mentioning slavery in every other paragraph and the Confederacy starting a war to protect slavery already protected in the South mantra.
Hi Major,The Union recruited volunteers from Confederates held at Prisoner of War camps. With the man power shortages the Confederacy suffered from, was there any movement to recruit Confederate volunteers from Union prisoners they held?