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Confederaye supports in the North were a real issue, but so were Unionists in the South. From a miltary point of view both were a real issue and both were security risks.
True but unlike Unionists they didn't express their dissent by picking up a rifle.The problem in the North wasn't really people who were pro-Confederate. Instead, it was those who were anti-war or very apathetic about the conflict. They didn't want to fight, much less get drafted.
Also true but between recruiting Confederate defectors,African -Americans and foreigners either in or outside the US the Union Army and Navy was able to get enough manpower to win vs the Confederate Army not so much.The problem in the North wasn't really people who were pro-Confederate. Instead, it was those who were anti-war or very apathetic about the conflict. They didn't want to fight, much less get drafted.
Maryland had it's far share of immigrants in northern ranks as well has several thousand slaves and free blacks serving in colored regiments for the stateI would say the Union had to use a lot of soldiers to keep Maryland, Kentucky and Missouri in the Union. This manpower could have been used in the field. Maryland had twice as many serve in the Union Army but many were in Home Brigades and were not trusted by the military. JMHO
Were there any counties that succeeded from the Union as there were in the Confederacy?These counties required that the Confederate government send divisions into those areas to either suppress their actions.The Union did have Copperheads but they were of political stand.The only area of serious problem would have been South Il/Cairo but they moved more towards Union position in the latter part of the war/Question / did army divisions move into this area to control the actions of the people ?Confederaye supports in the North were a real issue, but so were Unionists in the South. From a miltary point of view both were a real issue and both were security risks.
These states were border states provided troops to both sides.If not for the rapid movement by Lincoln these states may have moved into the CSA By the way the first thing he did was to remove hapis corpus and then moved troops into these states His fear was to have the Capital surrounded by succeeded states,That would surely been interesting for that to happen.Maryland had it's far share of immigrants in northern ranks as well has several thousand slaves and free blacks serving in colored regiments for the state
You are correctThese states were border states provided troops to both sides.If not for the rapid movement by Lincoln these states may have moved into the CSA By the way the first thing he did was to remove hapis corpus and then moved troops into these states His fear was to have the Capital surrounded by succeeded states,That would surely been interesting for that to happen.
Not per Dyer's Compendium. I also saw no evidence per Dyer's Compendium of any Union regiments being diverted ti counterinsurgency duties in Maryland. Perhaps @MarylandLine can provide some examples .Were there any counties that succeeded from the Union as there were in the Confederacy?These counties required that the Confederate government send divisions into those areas to either suppress their actions.The Union did have Copperheads but they were of political stand.The only area of serious problem would have been South Il/Cairo but they moved more towards Union position in the latter part of the war/Question / did army divisions move into this area to control the actions of the people ?
Not per Dyer's Compendium. I also saw no evidence per Dyer's Compendium of any Union regiments being diverted ti counterinsurgency duties in Maryland. Perhaps @MarylandLine can provide some examples .
Yes absolutely regular Union regiments mostly Cavalry were diverted into counterinsurgency in Missouri,Kentucky and West Virginia but most did not serve full time in counterinsurgency. The 4th Missouri Cavalry Union would certainly be one notable exception.
Leftyhunter
Civilians on both side were arrested and sometimes beaten if they were deemed disloyal. Nonetheless I have found no sourced information that Maryland had any Confederate insurgency . Other then South Carolina and Virginia other Southern states certainly had Unionist guerrilla activity. In my thread "Unionist vs CSA guerrillas I have plenty of sourced information.Check out General Robert Schenck and the Middle Department. Numerous notable Citizens of Maryland and Delaware were arrested and imprisoned till they took the oath. A circuit judge in the town I grew up Richard Bennett Carmichael (family friend Of Roger Brooke Taney) was pistol whipped and dragged from the courtroom and imprisoned in Ft McHenry. I have a book published in 1862 by the State if Delaware about how Union Tripp’s interfered with Delaware elections by chasing known secessionists and leading Democrats from the polls. I could go for a while and bore you to tears.
Not really. Did had least 110 k Northeners enlist in the Confederate Army? Certainly a few did but interestingly enough so far no one has cited a book similar to "Lincoln's Loyalists Union Soldiers from the Confederacy" that addresses the issue of how many Northeners joined the Confederate .
Did 159k plus people of color in the Northern states join the Confederate Army? Was there widespread Confederate guerrilla warfare out side the border states of Missouri,Kentucky and West Virginia?
Were there large deserter gangs in all Northern states?
Yes there were Copperheads but the war was successfully prosecuted anyways.
Leftyhunter
Not so sure about that.Its highly unlikely that the forty percent of the population of the Confederacy that was either enslaved or racially discriminated against was in favor of an independent Confederacy.I'm sticking with my main point in that there was greater political opposition in the North to carrying on the war, then there was in the South. That's what the Confederacy was counting on to achieve its independence. Of course, that didn't happen but it was a real possibility at various times.
As I pointed out to you numerous times the figures fail to account for Unionist troops who enlisted in out of state regiments.Even the US Provost Marshal was quoted by Professor Current has stating that his figures did not include out if state regimental enlistments.
In your opinion. There was plenty of torturing of women in North Carolina by the Home Guards as I and others have previously documented."Robbery and pillage" was the biggest problem caused by unionists in coastal North Carolina.