Restricted Debate When General Lyon's Statue Had to be Moved


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Hopefully any statue/monuments removed today will be moved to their own park as well.

Found the end a bit odd "General Lyon’s heavily criticized monument ultimately lasted barely thirty years in its original dedication spot, but remains today at Lyon Park in a quiet space rarely seen by most city residents." Its rarely seen because most residents dont make a trip to see it.......cant force people to go see something if they dont want to.

Anheuser-Busch brewery is right by it, yet it has plenty of tourists.....would seem its the subject rather then location that accounts for lack of interest if one is being honest
 
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They didn't change history because it wasnt removed.....it was simply moved to its own park....again anyone who wishes to see it can, it isn't a secret…...that few do is because few want to....

BTW there was confederates there at all, it was MVM, which is Missouri Volunteer Militia, the pre-war legal state militia........it would be more accurate to say someone sympathetic to Missouri.

Changing history is referring to people as confederate, when many went on to serve the union..........
 
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They didn't change history because it wasnt removed.....it was simply moved to its own park....again anyone who wishes to see it can, it isn't a secret…...that few do is because few want to....

BTW there was confederates there at all, it was MVM, which is Missouri Volunteer Militia, the pre-war legal state militia........it would be more accurate to say someone sympathetic to Missouri.

Changing history is referring to people as confederate, when many went on to serve the union..........
It obviously was removed for political reasons, but as you say, it does not change history.
 

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We have a generation who are fed feel good pablum, idealistic without the experience of reality and the sacrifices made to create this country. This feel good every body, play nice does not prepare people for the real world. When these protesters get depressed or anxious because mommy, daddy or liberal teachers are no longer holding their hand, they think the world is awful and they have to fix it. My sympathy is just as strong for the South as it is for the North. How dare someone else take away my opportunity to view rememberences of the struggles to create this country. Carolyn Van Doren
In this case, the statue was removed at the insistance of a descendent of a Confederate general because the statue honored a Union general.
 

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In this case, the statue was removed at the insistance of a descendent of a Confederate general because the statue honored a Union general.
Dont see how you can possibly draw that conclusion from that...……. My sympathy is just as strong for the South as it is for the North. Would indicate no bias at all, but treating both equally.......Also would think your overlooking the objection to an attack on Camp Jackson wasnt because it was a Confederate general......But a MVM camp that was legally assembled. Even the security council recognized that. Again when Frost was attacked at Camp Jackson he was as American as Lyon was.....He was a BG Gen in the militia of a US state.
 
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That isn't an attractive statute. That said, I can seen where statutes can be placed along a path and used as part of a walking/educational tour.
 

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It's ironic that although the wealthy Frost daughter managed to get the Lyon statue moved, the name of the campus may not honor her father much longer.

From the University News:
"In 1867, after the war, the university purchased Lindell’s Grove. In 1962, Harriet Frost Fordyce, daughter of Gen. Frost, donated one million dollars to the university, allowing the university to purchase 22 acres of land east of Grand Boulevard. Per her request, the campus was named in honor of her father. The area that once was home to Camp Jackson was, ironically, included in the new Frost Campus.
Although it has not been officially expressed, the administration quietly changed the name of the Frost Campus in recent years. A professor in the sociology department removed all references to the Frost Campus in his guides and rubrics, but the name came up in conversation nonetheless. Banner still refers to the main campus as Frost Campus in all of its catalog.
It is important to remember that behind every name is a story. It just so happened that the name of Saint Louis University’s main campus came from a stanch Confederate. Thus, the Frost campus is now known as the North campus."

https://unewsonline.com/2017/04/27/the-frost-campus-name-origins-and-changes/
 

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We have a generation who are fed feel good pablum, idealistic without the experience of reality and the sacrifices made to create this country. This feel good every body, play nice does not prepare people for the real world.
IMHO, We All are fed "pablum" of some sort or another when We are "young and inexperienced". The source(s) and the corresponding value of those sources of knowledge and whether we seek further confirmation of it or the refutetation of what we learn originally is what is all important.
 

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