StephenColbert27
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- Aug 4, 2015
The bayonet. The South wanted it, and they got it, in the end.
as I recall most people thought it would be a 90 day war those people like Sherman and Forrest who thought it was going to be a long conflict with thought crazy.
I don't think he thought the US Constitution would let him give the confederacy a pass!I think Lincoln thought it was going to be a short War. Had he known what was going to happen, he may have just let them go to save 100,000's of lives. The rift between the two sections, and more specifically the two parties, was far deeper than most people realized.
This poll is shocking over 50% still choose to wage war ...
and we know what the war brought.
Hey, it doesn't matter how many died. The United States won, right? That's all that matters.
As a side effect. Yes, it was a good thing, but it wasn't done for moral reasons, but as a "a fit and necessary war measure for suppressing said rebellion".
Lincoln certainly got what he wanted.
I think Lincoln thought it was going to be a short War. Had he known what was going to happen, he may have just let them go to save 100,000's of lives. The rift between the two sections, and more specifically the two parties, was far deeper than most people realized.
I have seen that attitude in posts from time to time. Frightening.
I have seen that attitude in posts from time to time. Frightening.
The question asked was not "was putting down the rebellion worth its cost?". It was "What was Lincoln's best option to deal with states in rebellion?"Hey, it doesn't matter how many died. The United States won, right? That's all that matters.
Agreed, it's disturbing.
I have seen that attitude in posts from time to time. Frightening.
The vast majority of the Southern people did not wish to secede from the Union. Certainly not the forty percent of the population that was enslaved and did not wish to continue. to be enslaved.All this Yankee bloviating reminds me of just why the south seceded.
You people REFUSE to listen to a just argument.
You can't seceded. End of story. Now get back here you little b**t**ds !!!
You make us sound like ungrateful children.
Let me leave you with a few choice words and I'm sure such intelligent folks as yourself can source them.
Combined they pretty much sum up how I fell about the whole thing
1. Jefferson Davis and the leaders of the South have created a army. It appears they are making a navy, and they have made what is more then both,they have made a Nation.
2. A Union that can only be maintained by swords and bayonets has no charm for me
and lastly from a musical number ... They have called us rebels and traitors
But themselves have thrown off the name of late.
Are you saying since there were very few who actually favored secession, those Confederate soldiers who fought 4 bloody years must have been supermen?The vast majority of the Southern people did not wish to secede from the Union. Certainly not the forty percent of the population that was enslaved and did not wish to continue. to be enslaved.
@Mortari has a thread that shows that only a small percentage of the Southern population even voted for Secession. I have a thread " was the vote for Secession free and fair?" In point of fact it was not much violence was visited on voter's who voted against Secession. So no the vast majority of Southern Americans did not favor Secession. Many conscripted Confederate soldiers deserted and or defected to the Union Army.
Leftyhunter
What's disturbing is those who insist that (after all the evidence says otherwise) the southern slave owning minority had the backing of the US Constitution, and the right to break up the country over slavery! And WORST than that, honor that sad devotion, to a bad cause!Agreed, it's disturbing.
The radical Republicans weren’t obsessed with control? Don’t forget they pressured Lincoln toward war, and after its conclusion pushed for retribution.The nation got what it needed.
It broke up a minority obsessed with control, not just over slavery, but terrified with the idea that a majority could decide things for themselves.
You make us sound like ungrateful children.
A Union that can only be maintained by swords and bayonets has no charm for me
No just that the vast majority of Southern did not favor Secession. Between blacks and Unionists maybe a little over half the Southern population favored Secession and less then that has the war progressed. After the ACW with out the issue of slavery there was no serious political movement for Southern political Independence.Are you saying since there were very few who actually favored secession, those Confederate soldiers who fought 4 bloody years must have been supermen?