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I did not reply to the wrong post. If your time is wasted, it is your own fault.
Which is not agreeing with me. If I need to be clearer, I .
Then why did you say I agreed with you?
I did not reply to the wrong post. If your time is wasted, it is your own fault.
Which is not agreeing with me. If I need to be clearer, I .
Life itself involves speculation. Recently a poll was taken of several "Nursing Home" patients with this question:
"If you had life to live over, what would have done differently?" The majority of this poll questionnaire was given in this answer"
" I would have taken more chances;been more of a risk taker."
The only peaceful solution on Lincoln’s mind was, miracles of miracles, the seceded states would, on their own volition, return to his union without a war to force them back.
Since he no right to hand over Sumter and the experiened politicians in the Confederacy, then what exactly would be gained from meeting with them except some sort of semi-offical recognition that the Confederates would use to advance their standing in the world.. lincoln wasn't as stupid as the Confederates thought he was...So in Lincoln's in mind, the Sumter crisis was so low a priority on his agenda that couldn’t spare a few hours to talk with Confederate diplomats that might prevent a war?
In Lincoln's mind talking to two rebels would be a sign of support for their claim of sovereignty. So naturally he could not talk with them.*
Had SC been in the union and had they represented the State, then he could have talked with em.
Had the south wanted peace, they should have stayed in the union and tried one of the different peaceful and diplomatic options they had.
*When ever The Dali Lama meet politicians around the world... China complain, for exactly that reason.
Becuase that is what you said. You claimed to agree with me, which seemed odd, and now it appears you didnt mean to, which seems more in line with what I expected. So lets get back to discussing the actual topic.Then why did you say I agreed with you?
Becuase that is what you said. You claimed to agree with me, which seemed odd, and now it appears you didnt mean to, which seems more in line with what I expected. So lets get back to discussing the actual topic.
Since he no right to hand over Sumter and the experiened politicians in the Confederacy, then what exactly would be gained from meeting with them except some sort of semi-offical recognition that the Confederates would use to advance their standing in the world.. lincoln wasn't as stupid as the Confederates thought he was...
More precisely, the only peaceful solution would be for the Confederate states to refrain from starting a war. That said, Lincoln seems to have sensed, correctly, that the Confederacy would not be willing to live with the status quo indefinitely. The two obvious alternatives to the status quo were for them to rejoin the Union or to start a war.
Let me rephrase I meant that the Confederates sent reps knowing full well that the adminastration was just geting its feet and wasn't even fully established, and in addition they knew they were sending them to the part of the government that couldn't give them Sumter anyway..So the only people that would gain by seeing them would be the Confederates. But, then again from their communcations they knew that Lincoln couldn;t give them anymore then Buchannon did.. So intersting that they sent them to the President and not to Congress almost as if they wanted it to fail...In your post 189 you claim Lincoln didn’t have the time to meet with the Confederate diplomats and now you are saying he had nothing to gain from meeting with them. I will give you credit for one thing, you are definitely not among those here who claim the Confederates didn’t make an effort to give diplomacy a chance.
You are not making sense, why would the Confederates start a war if the Lincoln government was willing to let them depart the old union in peace?More precisely, the only peaceful solution would be for the Confederate states to refrain from starting a war. That said, Lincoln seems to have sensed, correctly, that the Confederacy would not be willing to live with the status quo indefinitely. The two obvious alternatives to the status quo were for them to rejoin the Union or to start a war.
Yet you just agreed with me that there is no ambiquity. There really wasnt. The South knew what it was up against.
I find Article VI, Clause 2 to be as clear as pure mountain spring water.
I also see no reason to claim it has anything to do with "growing federal legislation from the bench".
The 10th Amendment doesnt provide the justification they needed.
They turned to the only justification available to them -- rebellion.
Scratching my head trying to figure out what you think that means.... The supremacy clause only applies if the federal government is acting in pursuit of constitutionally authorized powers. ...
Scratching my head trying to figure out what you think that means.
Sounds wrong to me as its not what the clause says.
That by itself has been interpreted as forbidding secession since secession only works if a state law can overrule the Constitution and US treaties.The clause states that the Constitution is the supreme law of the land ....
That by itself has been interpreted as forbidding secession since secession only works if a state law can overrule the Constitution and US treaties.