What happened to Abraham Lincoln's missing slavery speech?

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On the skills section of Abraham Lincoln’s resume, Edited orator ranks near the top. During the course of his career, the 16th president excelled at giving profound, rousing, and memorable speeches that have been engraved on the soul of the country.

But while schools across the U.S. instill their students with the historic lines from the Gettysburg Address, while politicians quote his second inaugural address in the hallowed halls of Congress, and scholars call on his “House Divided” declamation to highlight our current struggles, they are missing the firepower of what was allegedly the best speech Lincoln ever made.

At 5:30 p.m. on May 29, 1856, Lincoln took the stage in Major’s Hall in Bloomington at the meeting that would become known as the first Republican State Convention of Illinois.
read more at: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...o-abraham-lincoln-s-great-slavery-speech.html

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A newspaper would have talked about the speech and published the text... Where are the newspaper records form the date or week... If there is no record then there was no fiery speech just a propaganda mention leak out to the base of the party ... Abolitionist... I think it was a marketing ploy...
 
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A newspaper would have talked about the speech and published the text... Where are the newspaper records form the date or week... If there is no record then there was no fiery speech just a propaganda mention leak out to the base of the party ... Abolitionist... I think it was a marketing poly...
It even says in the link:
Lincoln, for his part, never made a written copy of his remarks—he didn’t prepare the speech in advance or take the time to record it after the fact.

That didn’t stop at least one attendee from trying to claim some of the glory. In 1896, Henry Clay Whitney published in McClure Magazine what he claimed was the full text of Lincoln’s lost speech.

While it received a lot of attention and support at the time, Lincoln’s secretary John George Nicolay and his son Robert Lincoln both announced that they doubted this was a faithful transcription. The Whitney version was officially debunked by scholar Paul M. Angle years later.
… seems we'll never truly know.
 

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I get a kick out of you two... You two all indignant but offer no evidence to support your indignant attitude... I offer a common sense observation pointing out the story is most likely false or a ploy...
 
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I get a kick out of you two... You two all indignant but offer no evidence to support your indignant additude... I offer a common sense observation pointing out the story is most likely false or a poly...
There were dozens of eye-witnesses to the speech including Lincoln's law partner. From the article you obviously have not read comes this:

In a lecture he gave years later, Lincoln’s former law partner William Herndon said, “I have heard or read all of Mr. Lincoln’s great speeches; and I give it as my opinion that the Bloomington speech was the grand effort of his life.”
 

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By the way, what is a poly? You've used the word in three posts.

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Lincoln's Lost Speech was famous, with a status considered legendary by the time Tarbell became enamored with Whitney's version of it.[4] Lincoln was said to have spoken "like a giant inspired" and the tale of how the speech came to be lost was well known.[4] Many who attended the speech considered it the greatest of Lincoln's life.[11] Given at the first state convention, which essentially founded the Illinois Republican Party, the speech thrust Lincoln into the national political limelight.[6][11]

Though it was known as the Lost Speech, its content influenced people nonetheless. Those who heard it were often asked to repeat what they heard and a frenzied group of supporters spearheaded Lincoln's drive toward a second-place finish among U.S. vice presidential candidates in 1856.[12

Wiki:
Tarbell was unwittingly carried away by the story, but others were skeptical. Former Lincoln private secretary John George Nicolay declared Whitney's version devoid of Lincoln's style and a fraud.[4] Robert Lincoln, Abraham's son, agreed with Nicolay's assessment.[4] In 1900, the McLean County Historical Society[9] declared their skepticism.[10] In modern times, Lincoln researcher and Director of the Chicago Historical Society Paul M. Angle exposed Whitney's version of the speech and his claims of its validity as a "fabrication".[4]

Wiki:
Eyewitnesses have offered snippets of some of Lincoln's content that day.

Common sense now... people could offer snippets orally but nothing more. The only record version is later called a fraud... No one even after everyone calls it historic, still no one could not put something of it on paper. Great speech still pushes influences people;;; Dudes you all have been hoodwinked

Herdon mister all things Lincoln did not have a version... Oh, Lincoln would not repeat the speech because it was too explosive... marketing 101...
 

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Look at this... http://rogerjnorton.com/Lincoln63.html

After a series of speeches, there were cries for Abraham Lincoln to take the platform. At 5:30 P.M. he did so.

The people listened for about 90 minutes. William Herndon, Lincoln's law partner, "attempted for about fifteen minutes, as was usual with me then to take notes, but at the end of that time I threw pen and paper away and lived only in the inspiration of the hour." Lincoln spoke extemporaneously, and he clearly identified slavery as the root cause of the country's problems. One delegate said, "Never was an audience more completely electrified by human eloquence. Again and again, during the delivery, the audience sprang to their feet, and by long-continued cheers, expressed how deeply the speaker had roused them." Although no verbatim report of the speech exists, it seems clear from statements of those present that the key ideas Lincoln stressed were as follows:

1. That there were pressing reasons for the formation of the Republican Party.
2. That the Republican movement was very important to the future of the nation.
3. All free soil people needed to rally against slavery and the existing political evils.
4. The nation must be preserved in the purity of its principles as well as in the integrity of its territorial parts, and the Republicans were the ones to do it.


It was a truly a speech full of hypnotic inspiration as Lincoln attempted to unify all the discordant anti-slavery factions into a concerted party that could defeat the Democrats in upcoming elections. Writing in the Chicago Democrat, reporter John Wentworth said, "Abraham Lincoln for an hour and a half held the assemblage spellbound by the power of his argument, the intense irony of his invective, the brilliancy of his eloquence. I shall not mar any of its fine proportions by attempting even a synopsis of it." Herndon concluded, "His speech was full of fire and energy and force. It was logic; it was pathos; it was enthusiasm; it was justice, equity, truth, and right set ablaze by the devine fires of a soul maddened by the wrong; it was hard, heavy, knotty, gnarly, backed with wrath."

"The audience sat enthralled. Men listened as though transfixed. Reporters forgot to use the pencils in their hands, so that no complete and authentic record of what may have been his greatest speech has ever been found. At the end, the hall rocked with applause. The Republican Party was reborn in Illinois."***

Over the years a few "versions" of Lincoln's Lost Speech have been published. The most famous of these was by Henry Clay Whitney, a lawyer and Lincoln biographer. Whitney's version was published in McClure's Magazine in 1896. Whitney said that he had transcribed notes that were taken down while the speech was being delivered. The majority of Lincoln experts reject Whitney's report of the speech. One reason for this is that there was a 40-year gap between the speech itself and the publication of Whitney's version.


It was a marketing speech ... keep the people wanting...
 

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Lincoln's Lost Speech was famous, with a status considered legendary by the time Tarbell became enamored with Whitney's version of it.[4] Lincoln was said to have spoken "like a giant inspired" and the tale of how the speech came to be lost was well known.[4] Many who attended the speech considered it the greatest of Lincoln's life.[11] Given at the first state convention, which essentially founded the Illinois Republican Party, the speech thrust Lincoln into the national political limelight.[6][11]

Though it was known as the Lost Speech, its content influenced people nonetheless. Those who heard it were often asked to repeat what they heard and a frenzied group of supporters spearheaded Lincoln's drive toward a second-place finish among U.S. vice presidential candidates in 1856.[12

Wiki:
Tarbell was unwittingly carried away by the story, but others were skeptical. Former Lincoln private secretary John George Nicolay declared Whitney's version devoid of Lincoln's style and a fraud.[4] Robert Lincoln, Abraham's son, agreed with Nicolay's assessment.[4] In 1900, the McLean County Historical Society[9] declared their skepticism.[10] In modern times, Lincoln researcher and Director of the Chicago Historical Society Paul M. Angle exposed Whitney's version of the speech and his claims of its validity as a "fabrication".[4]

Wiki:
Eyewitnesses have offered snippets of some of Lincoln's content that day.

Common sense now... people could offer snippets orally but nothing more. The only record version is later called a fraud... No one even after everyone calls it historic, still no one could not put something of it on paper. Great speech still pushes influences people;;; Dudes you all have been hoodwinked

Herdon mister all things Lincoln did not have a version... Oh, Lincoln would not repeat the speech because it was too explosive... marketing 101...
So prove the people who offered up "snippets" are all co-conspirators in a political trick along with Herndon and others. Sigh. Just prove it.
 

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SPEECHES & LETTERS
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ABRAHAM LINCOLN 1832-1865

EDITED BY MERWIN ROE
This speech has been called Lincoln's "Lost Speech," because all the reporters present were so carried away by his eloquence that they one and all forgot to take any notes. If it had not been for a young lawyer, a Mr. H.C. Whitney, who kept his head sufficiently to take notes, we would have no record of it. Mr. Whitney wrote out the speech for McClure's Magazine in 1896. It was submitted to several people who were present at the Bloomington Convention, and they said it was remarkably accurate considering that it was not taken down stenographically.

the book is here: http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/14721
 
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