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What gave Lincoln the right to make an unconstitutional demand on the seceding Southern States?

Discussion in 'Civil War History - Secession and Politics' started by CSA Today, Feb 23, 2017.

  1. cash

    cash Brev. Brig. Gen'l

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    Instead of taking a poll of historians, avoid the bandwagon fallacy and pay attention to the argument and evidence.
     

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    jgoodguy Brigadier General Moderator Forum Host

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    Noted the use of gratuitous fallacious debate fallacies in the use of a naked URL to one's own blog post as evidence instead of real evidence.
     
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    cash Brev. Brig. Gen'l

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    So 4 out of 5 doctors smoke Chesterfields and you think the 1 doctor who doesn't smoke is the one who's wrong? Okay.
     
  5. jgoodguy

    jgoodguy Brigadier General Moderator Forum Host

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    All I see is blowing smoke.

    I took a look at the premise of the article which is some myth or another exists and the author is debunking it, when I check online references the myth the author described does not seem to exist.
     
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    cash Brev. Brig. Gen'l

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    Okay. I can see you're just not going to understand. Fine. Carry on.
     
  7. Kenneth Almquist

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    Seth Tillman is a lawyer, not a historian. His paper on Ex Parte Merryman appears sound to me.

    Cash's blog entry and the Washington Post blog Cash's blog links to both summarize Tillman, but not in sufficient detail to allow the reader to judge the merits of Tillman's work; for that you have to read Tillman directly.
     
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  8. jgoodguy

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    2 points.
    1. A single author does not make everyone else's work a myth.
    2. His version of the myth appears to be in error.

    The merit of his case may or may not be good. The issue is the existence of the myth, that it is wide spread and that the article is a game changer.

    I have a copy of his work on my PDF reader. Be a good topic for a thread.
     
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    Yes, one has to follow the link in the blog post to see the evidence instead of yammering about numbers of people.
     
  10. jgoodguy

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    Soooo much complaining and soooo little evidence.
    This is my final word on the matter.
    Looking forward to you starting a thread on it so it can be debated in detail.
     
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    One has to look at the evidence in order to see it. The claim of little evidence proves the failure to look at it.
     
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    Sure it does, if the author proves his case.


    There is no successful rebuttal of his paper.
     
  13. jgoodguy

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    Not the part about a 'myth' existing.
    Published March 2016 in a non peer reviewed publication.
    Military Law Review:
    The technical aspects of his paper appear to be technically in agreement with
    Ex Parte Merryman | law case | Britannica.com and Ex parte Merryman - Wikipedia
    using 17 pages to do what they do in a few paragraphs.

    The question is what and where is the myth? Is the myth part just to get folks to read a boring legal article.
     
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    cash Brev. Brig. Gen'l

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    Sorry, but the world doesn't act according to your wishes. Single people have proven things to be a myth for a long time.


    That link doesn't appear to lead to the March 2016 issue.


    The information is there for anyone who is willing to read it. Those who simply complain without reading it get the nonresponses deserved.
     
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    Soooo much verbiage and soooo little evidence.
     
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    Holy unecessary digressions Batman!
     
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    From Seth Barrett Tillman. You can find my article on Ex parte Merryman here:



    (and also on Westlaw, LexisNexis, and HeinOnline).

    If none of these work, send me your e-mail, and I will send you a PDF.

    A threaded discussion would be welcomed.

    Seth
     
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    LINKS:
    tinyurl.com/krl4kxj

    and
    tinyurl.com/mmdfn6a
     
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  20. jgoodguy

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    Your wish is my command.
    New Thread Ex Parte Merryman: Myth, History, and Scholarship
     
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    There were in the starting box, with a conspiracy of Southern governors to seceeded if Lincoln was elected, but the actual initial secession was between election and inauguration, Fort Sumter about 5 weeks later.
     

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