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What do you say was the end of the Civil War?

  • In April 1865 when Lee and Johnston surrendered

    Votes: 28 29.5%
  • In June 1865 after surrender of Indian forces

    Votes: 29 30.5%
  • In August 1866 after Proclamation 157 by Pres Johnson that the insurrection had ended

    Votes: 10 10.5%
  • Other

    Votes: 28 29.5%

  • Total voters
    95

RebYell64

Corporal
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Some would argue that it hasn't completely ended. Though the guns are silent, the hearts and minds of both causes are still as fervent as when the guns roared and blood was spilled over native soil.
 

cash

Brev. Brig. Gen'l
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I heard a good case today from Greg Downs that Congress said the war was still on until they readmitted the states to representation in Congress. That puts the end of the war in the 1870s.
 

leftyhunter

Brev. Brig. Gen'l
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Location
los angeles ca
Civil Wars truly end when almost everybody can agree to live together in mutual respect or one side forces the other out of the land or can suppress them to such an extent that the other side follows the wish's of the stronger side. Has far as the US go's one can make ones own judgement's.
Leftyhunter
 

Bee

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Asst. Regtl. Quartermaster Gettysburg 2017
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I heard a good case today from Greg Downs that Congress said the war was still on until they readmitted the states to representation in Congress. That puts the end of the war in the 1870s.

The overwhelming conclusion that I took away from today's seminar is that the war ended a lot later than the usual, traditional picture of Lee and Grant signing the surrender of the ANV.
 

Bee

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Civil Wars truly end when almost everybody can agree to live together in mutual respect or one side forces the other out of the land or can suppress them to such an extent that the other side follows the wish's of the stronger side. Has far as the US go's one can make ones own judgement's.
Leftyhunter

"A clear moment of peace" I heard that today from the Gregory Downs presentation that cash referrred to
 

leftyhunter

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"A clear moment of peace" I heard that today from the Gregory Downs presentation that cash referrred to
If we define the Civil War has the end of violence to maintain slavery and establish an independent slave owning republic then the Civil War ended after the surrender of Lee and Johnston's armies. Once these armies surrendered the Confederacy was dead.
The extensive violence after the Civil War to suppress black people in the South lasted a good one hundred years later. The political conflict continues. So the Confederacy died by the late spring of 1865 but not civil conflict.
Leftyhunter
 

Bee

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Asst. Regtl. Quartermaster Gettysburg 2017
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If we define the Civil War has the end of violence to maintain slavery and establish an independent slave owning republic then the Civil War ended after the surrender of Lee and Johnston's armies. Once these armies surrendered the Confederacy was dead.
The extensive violence after the Civil War to suppress black people in the South lasted a good one hundred years later. The political conflict continues. So the Confederacy died by the late spring of 1865 but not civil conflict.
Leftyhunter

I am going to stay with the August 20, 1866 ending to the war as determined by the United States v. Anderson case.
 

cash

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If we define the Civil War has the end of violence to maintain slavery and establish an independent slave owning republic then the Civil War ended after the surrender of Lee and Johnston's armies. Once these armies surrendered the Confederacy was dead.
The extensive violence after the Civil War to suppress black people in the South lasted a good one hundred years later. The political conflict continues. So the Confederacy died by the late spring of 1865 but not civil conflict.
Leftyhunter

There was fighting after those surrenders.
 

MaryDee

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Those of you who cited US v. Anderson as the official date for legal purposes have convinced me. Since I checked "other," I don't have to change my vote! :D
 

leftyhunter

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Seems to me that trying to kill people is pretty serious.
Was their a serious attempt to continue the fight for a slave republic after Lee and Johnston surrendered their armies? By serious I mean a battle involving plus one thousand men not little guerrilla skirmishs .
Leftyhunter
 

Booner

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Since most of my Civil War interest is relegated to the State of Missouri anymore, I did a Google search as to when the war ended there. In a couple of hits they said the war ended when Frank James surrendered to the Gov. of Missouri. I guess in the local sense, it depends where your talking about. I said "other" in the survey.
 

JPK Huson 1863

Brev. Brig. Gen'l
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Central Pennsylvania
The overwhelming conclusion that I took away from today's seminar is that the war ended a lot later than the usual, traditional picture of Lee and Grant signing the surrender of the ANV.

Yes, now we get to be one of those people in general conversation. Should the subject come up around those whose limited knowledge base ( like mine until 4 minutes ago ) includes the erroneous belief war ended with the surrender we get to say " AH-hem, well, actually...... " Now to go find one of them. Rats. I may have been it.
 

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Brev. Brig. Gen'l
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Was their a serious attempt to continue the fight for a slave republic after Lee and Johnston surrendered their armies? By serious I mean a battle involving plus one thousand men not little guerrilla skirmishs .
Leftyhunter

I fail to see what's magical about 1,000. Palmito Ranch had about 800. That seems pretty serious.

How is it the United States continued to exercise its war powers long after the two surrenders?
 

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Brev. Brig. Gen'l
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Define when a war is over. Is it when a treaty is signed? No treaty in the Civil War. Is it when the last army surrenders? What determines peace? The United States continued to exercise its war powers long after the surrenders. When did it stop exercising its war powers?
 

cash

Brev. Brig. Gen'l
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Andrew Johnson and the Supreme Court both said the war was over on August 20, 1866. Congress said not so fast--we have a say in this and we say it's not over yet. That singing you hear isn't the fat lady.
 

leftyhunter

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I fail to see what's magical about 1,000. Palmito Ranch had about 800. That seems pretty serious.

How is it the United States continued to exercise its war powers long after the two surrenders?
With all due respect I will stick with my original point. For all practical purposes once Lee and Johnston surrendered the Confederacy died with it. Their simply would not be an independent slave republic on the North American continent. Yes the Union commander at the Palamito Ranch caused an unnecessary very minor battle. Yes their was post Civil War violence and I have a thread on it. Yes Brigader General Stan Waite surrendered last but a few hundred Indians does not a national security threat make.
Leftyhunter
 
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