A lot of folks were sweet on Winnie for various reasons. When it was proposed after her death that Lucy Lee Hill, daughter of General A.P. Hill, become the "new" Daughter of the Confederacy this was met with a lot of backlash. Needless to say, it didn't happen. Winnie never married, but she did fall in love. Check out the link below to read her sad story. It's short and well worth the read.Interesting that Winnie didn't get married she was kind of hot!
I do I think it's an interesting topic to discuss.a. Creole. No way. That refers to a person with a Caribbean origin. They were not
b. Who cares?
Thanks for sharing! and yup.. I see it. LOLI've thought that, too. A lot of Southern aristocracy had black ancestors and Indian ones as well. Confederate general Randall Lee Gibson comes to mind, for example. He didn't show it at all but the rumor started up challenging his status as white - he did a little fast genealogy and stopped when he found his great-grandfather was a plantation owner. That was proof enough for him - blacks couldn't own property. They could before the Revolution and for a while after - great-grandpa was Gideon Gibson, a free man of color. Very definitely black! Curiously, this heritage might have accidentally made him the first African American to graduate from Yale...
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I just read the story and yes it was sad. Winnie had a lot going for her.A lot of folks were sweet on Winnie for various reasons. When it was proposed after her death that Lucy Lee Hill, daughter of General A.P. Hill, become the "new" Daughter of the Confederacy this was met with a lot of backlash. Needless to say, it didn't happen. Winnie never married, but she did fall in love. Check out the link below to read her sad story. It's short and well worth the read.
That may be the truth.I have never seen anything in print that identifies Varina as Creole, but she certainly looks the part. Interestingly enough she was best of friends with Judah Benjamin. Judah served in two positions in the Davis cabinet before being named Secretary of State. Although he wasn't from Natchez, he migrated there and bought a plantation just outside of town and opened up a legal practice. He married Natalie St. Martin, a known Creole, and this may well have contributed to the close bond he developed with Varina. Varina Davis is a fascinating woman. I look forward to hearing from others on this topic.
When Varina was living in Richmond her critics (and they were numerous) described her as looking like a mulatto. It appears she and her family always attributed her olive complexion to her Welsh ancestry.
I don't think the ladies cared one way or another. They just wanted a piece of TJ to bite off.
Not necessarily.a. Creole. No way. That refers to a person with a Caribbean origin. They were not
b. Who cares?
I bet. LOLI don't think the ladies cared one way or another. They just wanted a piece of TJ to bite off.
Back in the day women would throw their unmentionables at him. Maybe now a days not so much but ask women who were say of age in the 60s and 70s and yeah they wanted a piece of TJ.I bet. LOL
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Tom wanted to know just like we did. I am not sure if he ever posted his results.
‘A lot of people still think I’m black. When I first came to America, people who had heard me sing on the radio would be surprised that I was white when they saw me. Because of my hair a lot of black people still tell me I’m just passing as white.’
I totally agree. I am not good at it at all. . For family - one of my maternal Great Grannies is from Lafourche, Louisiana -and moved to Mobile. The speak French and Louisiana Creole.The terminology is getting confusing. A Louisiana bayou country native, and tourguide with a degree in history, told me the original Louisiana definition of Creole consisted of three things; you had to be born in Louisiana, speak French as your first language, and be a member of the Catholic Church. No racial limitations, or anything else that would show up in a picture. I guess the definition has floated around a bit since then.
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