Was there really a majority for secession in the south?


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and Lincoln thought his 75,000 90 day troops would win the war in less than 90 days
No he didn't. I know some people like to cheer for anything negative about Lincoln, but the number and duration of the callup was set by the Militia Acts, which limited the number of troops the President could call into service on his own authority (something our anti-federalist friends ought to approve of). Larger or longer callups would have to be enacted by Congress when it returned to session, as happened in 1861.
 
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No he didn't. I know some people like to cheer for anything negative about Lincoln, but the number and duration of the callup was set by the Militia Acts, which limited the number of troops the President could call into service on his own authority (something our anti-federalist friends ought to approve of). Larger or longer callups would have to be enacted by Congress when it returned to session, as happened in 1861.
He knew they would be 90 day troops when he called for them
 

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He knew they would be 90 day troops when he called for them
Of course he knew. He knew the law. The Militia acts limited the call-up to 90 days. Period. There was no other option with Congress not in session. As soon as Congress re-convened, they made call ups for 3-year terms. It is disingenuous to imply Lincoln thought the war would be over in 90 days or less. Calling up 90 day term militia is all the law allowed him to do.
 

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Of course he knew. He knew the law. The Militia acts limited the call-up to 90 days. Period. There was no other option with Congress not in session. As soon as Congress re-convened, they made call ups for 3-year terms. It is disingenuous to imply Lincoln thought the war would be over in 90 days or less. Calling up 90 day term militia is all the law allowed him to do.
Yeah, cause 'ol Honest Abe was a stickler for the law.....
 

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This thread focuses on whether there was "really a majority for secession in the South".
Please limit posts to discussing that subject in a civil manner. Off-topic posts will be edited or deleted.
 

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Neither were Women.
What we seem to end up with is propertied white men voting in unfree elections. OTOH unfree elections led by nationalistic patriots seem to be common. It is only interesting when someone alleges a united South rising up in united action against the evil Lincoln.
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Then please list a couple of examples of where there was unanimous consent from a large group of people anywhere in 1860/1861?
My point is simply a bare majority of the Southern population supported secession. Even this bare majority diminished in size as the war dragged on especially by the Summer of 1864. The cause of Secession increased over the years as nostalgia for white supremacy.
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In the 7 cotton states, sure a majority of white males supported secession. The war, if possible, wouldn't be much of a concern, and the paid labor states were far away.
 
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But if one reads Freehling or Stampp, people who were in the border states were not selling to the international market, nor were the paid labor states far away. The paid labor states were either right across the river, or just across the invisible Mason-Dixon line.
The US successfully peeled off the 5 border areas and retained Washington, D.C. In the process the US retained almost all the railroad industry and steamship building capacity that was in the coerced labor states.
 

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My point is simply a bare majority of the Southern population supported secession. Even this bare majority diminished in size as the war dragged on especially by the Summer of 1864. The cause of Secession increased over the years as nostalgia for white supremacy.
Leftyhunter
White supremacy was pervasive nationwide, there was no reason to secede for that reason. The southern states seceded because they feared future northern domination they wanted a nation of their own.
 
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White supremacy was pervasive nationwide, there was no reason to secede for that reason. The southern states seceded because they feared future northern domination they wanted a nation of their own.
No not even close. The secessionists seceded per the reason that they articulated in the Ordinances of Secession which was slavery. A subject of countless thread's.
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No not even close. The secessionists seceded per the reason that they articulated in the Ordinances of Secession which was slavery. A subject of countless thread's.
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Really. I have a framed reproduction copy of the South Carolina Ordinance of Secession handing on the wall, there is no mention of slavery.
 



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