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Say I deserted my unit, but was later found AWOL and returned to the army. Were there probation officers? If so, did they watch you like a hawk?
At night when people fell asleep, were former deserters put in a special area? Maybe a night watch?From what I have read, the Provost guards performed that duty while under arrest. Once returned to the unit, then the 'deserter' would be observed by the non-coms of a company. This would be after approval from the Major, Colonel, or General in charge. I am sure such necessary steps were taken to assure the unit's safety.
Lubliner.
Will Caldwell was one of those desertersThe North Carolina troops in the Army of Northern Virginia deserted at such a rate that Lee took extreme measures to keep them in the ranks. What Lee wanted to happen was to have AWOL's be captured & returned to the ranks. Much to Lee's distress, the vicious behavior of the North Carolina home guard following Gov Nance's instructions killed them instead. There are several good books about the murderous war within the war fought in North Carolina.
Confederate soldiers from Tennessee, Arkansas & other Western States would desert when their home counties were abandoned. Entire companies left at one time. Between Tullahoma & Chattanooga, Bragg shot at least two officers for encouraging or allowing their men to desert. Men who fell afoul of Bragg's provosts could expect a short shrift.
Rosecrans had a relatively enlightened policy regarding individuals who voluntarily returned to the army. Repeat offenders who were arrested could be dealt with in a remarkably humane manner. Repeat offenders were shot, but it was a very rare fate in the Army of the Cumberland.
During the Atlanta Campaign, Union pickets communicated across the line the existence of places where a man could cross the lines safely. After Hood took command, multiple company sized units held meetings & went across the lines. Men who voluntarily surrendered received special treatment. That was a remarkable example of enlightened self interest. Men who crossed the lines under those conditions were unlikely to ever fall under Confederate control again.
Wow, if you find out any of those three things let me know. Maybe Cline was naturally violent and it caught up to him?I don't know a great deal about the Confederate desertion problem and policies associated with it, but I recently came across the curious case of James C. Cline of the 57th NC, Co. E. He is sometimes know as Calvin Cline, which has caused some confusion between him and another Calvin Cline of the 23rd NC. I've determined that these are unlikely to be the same person, given the different units, and different dates and circumstances of death (which I will explain shortly). Cline was a common surname in Catawba County, NC, so two Calvins is probably just a coincidence. (As far as I know, neither one is related to the designer of fine apparel.)
Most of what I've learned about James C. Cline is found in his compiled service record. According to the remarks in Cline's company muster roll for Jan-Feb 1863, he deserted near Fredericksburg on 17 Jan 1863:
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CS documents then show that, on 28 Jan 1863, a C.C. Leay (or Leary?) was paid $30.00 for having arrested Cline and delivered him to Richmond:
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If I read the following document correctly, C.C. Leay was a "Steward of the Palmyra Hospital," and was "authorized by Gen. John H. Winder to arrest deserters." Winder's name makes sense, as he was provost marshal general in Richmond and in charge of Confederate prisons. I'm puzzled by the mention of Palmyra Hospital. There was a Confederate hospital in Palmyra, Virginia, so maybe Leay worked there or at another hospital and was known for his skills at catching deserters.
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I wonder about the $30.00 bounty paid for Cline. Would a run-of-the-mill deserter in early 1863 have been worth commissioning a bounty hunter and paying $30.00?
That's all I was able to learn about Cline's case from the CSR. However, a search on Ancestry.com added a tidbit to Cline's story, based on data from Civil War Soldier Records and Profiles, 1861-1865. This source must have access to prison records or something like that, because it adds the important information that James Calvin Cline died 11 Feb 1863 in Castle Thunder Prison in Richmond.
Cline's death was only about two weeks after his being delivered to Richmond. Castle Thunder was noted for its brutality, so I wonder whether Cline was executed there (or shanked or something). An entry in Encyclopedia Virginia says that disease was rampant in the prison in January 1863, including dysentery and smallpox, so that could be another explanation for Cline's death.
So that's the peculiar desertion story I ran into recently. It leaves me with some questions:
1. Is this a typical story of a Confederate deserter and the efforts that might have been made to capture him?
2. If his death at Castle Thunder was by execution, what does that indicate about the kind of deserter he was, e.g., repeat offender or suspected spy? If he was a particularly hard case or a repeater, why isn't this reflected in his CSR?
3. What records are there that might reveal more about his case?
Roy B.
I can bump up an old thread on Confedrate desertion it was a very significant problem for the Confedracy and a major reason why they lost.I don't know a great deal about the Confederate desertion problem and policies associated with it, but I recently came across the curious case of James C. Cline of the 57th NC, Co. E. He is sometimes referred to as Calvin Cline, which has caused some confusion between him and another Calvin Cline of the 23rd NC. I've determined that these are unlikely to be the same person, given the different units, and different dates and circumstances of death (which I will explain shortly). Cline was a common surname in Catawba County, NC, so two Calvins is probably just a coincidence. (As far as I know, neither one is related to the designer of fine apparel.)
Most of what I've learned about James C. Cline is found in his compiled service record. According to the remarks in Cline's company muster roll for Jan-Feb 1863, he deserted near Fredericksburg on 17 Jan 1863:
View attachment 378025
CS documents then show that, on 28 Jan 1863, a C.C. Leay (or Leary?) was paid $30.00 for having arrested Cline and delivered him to Richmond:
View attachment 378027
If I read the following document correctly, C.C. Leay was a "Steward of the Palmyra Hospital," and was "authorized by Gen. John H. Winder to arrest deserters." Winder's name makes sense, as he was provost marshal general in Richmond and in charge of Confederate prisons. I'm puzzled by the mention of Palmyra Hospital. There was a Confederate hospital in Palmyra, Virginia, so maybe Leay worked there or at another hospital and was known for his skills at catching deserters.
View attachment 378042
I wonder about the $30.00 bounty paid for Cline. Would a run-of-the-mill deserter in early 1863 have been worth commissioning a bounty hunter and paying $30.00?
That's all I was able to learn about Cline's case from the CSR. However, a search on Ancestry.com added a tidbit to Cline's story, based on data from Civil War Soldier Records and Profiles, 1861-1865. This source must have access to prison records or something like that, because it adds the important information that James Calvin Cline died 11 Feb 1863 in Castle Thunder Prison in Richmond.
Cline's death was only about two weeks after his being delivered to Richmond. Castle Thunder was noted for its brutality, so I wonder whether Cline was executed there (or shanked or something). An entry in Encyclopedia Virginia says that disease was rampant in the prison in January 1863, including dysentery and smallpox, so that could be another explanation for Cline's death.
So that's the peculiar desertion story I ran into recently. It leaves me with some questions:
1. Is this a typical story of a Confederate deserter and the efforts that might have been made to capture him?
2. If his death at Castle Thunder was by execution, what does that indicate about the kind of deserter he was, e.g., repeat offender or suspected spy? If he was a particularly hard case or a repeater, why isn't this reflected in his CSR?
3. What records are there that might reveal more about his case?
Roy B.
I can bump up an old thread on Confedrate desertion it was a very significant problem for the Confedracy and a major reason why they lost.
Leftyhunter
A lot of variables especially as to who the commanding officer is and the individual record and reputation of the deserter is.Yes, that would be interesting to see. One thing I'm wondering (in part illustrated by my James Calvin Cline case) is what would make the difference between getting accepted back into your unit and getting taken to Castle Thunder to be brutalized and shot.
Roy B.
The reading I did indicates that just like the present day, death penalty was imposed in a random illogical fashion. Men with identical records received a light punishment or were shot without rhyme nor reason. Soldiers & officers complained of exactly that. Lincoln & Davis commuted every death sentence that crossed their desks.Yes, that would be interesting to see. One thing I'm wondering (in part illustrated by my James Calvin Cline case) is what would make the difference between getting accepted back into your unit and getting taken to Castle Thunder to be brutalized and shot.
Roy B.
I can't seem to find the aforementioned thread. I know it was pretty high especially per Jefferson Davis's speech at Macon Georgia in September 1864 where Davis stated two thirds of the Confedrate Army was AWOL and the speech is online just Google "Jefferson Davis Speech Macon Georgia Rice University". That should get you the speech. The book " " Bitterly Divided the South's Inner Civil War" David Williams thenewpress.com goes into extensive detail about Confedrate desertion.Yes, that would be interesting to see. One thing I'm wondering (in part illustrated by my James Calvin Cline case) is what would make the difference between getting accepted back into your unit and getting taken to Castle Thunder to be brutalized and shot.
Roy B.
It's hard to tell how many would have been killed as guerrillas if they didn't remain as well. Missouri Militias weren't all that welcoming to anyone they found on roads or the countryside.In Arkansas, during the summer of 1864, General Jo Shelby's division was tasked with returning deserters to the ranks and conscripting stay-at-homes to fill General Sterling Price's army for his raid into Missouri. Major James R. Shaler, Price's inspector-general, characterized Price's 20,000-men army: "There was all the disorder that must necessarily obtain in an undisciplined command. . . . About 5,000 of the troops were of the usual character of Confederate cavalry, The remainder were deserters and conscripts officered by men of their own kind." It's hard to say how many of the recaptured deserters remained in the ranks during the raid.
In a recent thread of mine in some campaigns, some historians claim substantial numbers of the deserters weren't a problem, but actually planned......I can bump up an old thread on Confedrate desertion it was a very significant problem for the Confedracy and a major reason why they lost.
Leftyhunter
Your citation is apt. In the West the Confederacy had lost control of vast swaths of territory. A deserter from Tennessee who swallowed the dog could go home & be safe from CSA authorities. Amongst the folks in the Murfreesboro TN area that I know, many of their CSA ancestors did exactly that. Their experience bears no resemblance to the vicious war within the war fought in the Carolina mountains. Judging by the responses to Similar Threads, a knowledge of that brutal part of the war deserves a wider audience.@A. Roy there were special orders sent out for any citizen that would turn in a deserter to the Provost Guards or a sheriff to receive money. There were in those orders also stipulations for transporting the prisoner by a 'sheriff' of civil law to the Provost Guard with added expenses paid. The reference I had was for the Virginia area and I do not know if it was common with the west.
Lubliner.